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    Antifa Hoax ?

    Still understanding USAian politics, Antifa is part of the dems yes ? or some offshoot yes ?, anyway Trump tweeted that he was asking them to be looked into as being terrorpeople related, so getting a thread started to assemble facts and not. This guys vid shows a worry or two concerning them but being such a big organisation was this few people not their regular members ?.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7RlN6j9s7Q


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    Thread moved from The Watchdog to Conspiracies & Cover-Ups. Seriously, Vern...





    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Still understanding USAian politics, Antifa is part of the dems yes ? or some offshoot yes ?
    Quoting from the Wikipedia article...


    The antifa (/ænˈtiːfə, ˈæntiˌfɑː/) movement is composed of left-wing, autonomous, militant anti-fascist groups and individuals in the United States. The principal feature of antifa groups is their use of direct action, with conflicts occurring both online and in real life. They engage in varied protest tactics, which include digital activism, property damage, physical violence, and harassment against those whom they identify as fascist, racist, or on the far-right.

    Activists involved in the movement tend to be anti-capitalists and subscribe to a range of ideologies, typically on the left. They include anarchists, socialists and communists along with some liberals and social democrats. Their stated focus is on fighting far-right and white supremacist ideologies directly, rather than through electoral means.


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    anyway Trump tweeted that he was asking them to be looked into as being terrorpeople related, so getting a thread started to assemble facts and not. This guys vid shows a worry or two concerning them but being such a big organisation was this few people not their regular members ?.
    Quoting from the Wikipedia article...


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    Antifa actions have been subject to criticism from Republicans, Democrats and political commentators in the U.S. media. House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi condemned the violence of antifa activists in Berkeley on August 29, 2017. Conservative talk show host and Fox News contributor Laura Ingraham suggested labeling antifa as a terrorist organization. Noam Chomsky described them as "a major gift to the right".

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    Hoaxes


    There have been multiple efforts to discredit antifa groups via hoaxes on social media, many of them false flag attacks originating from members of the alt-right and 4chan posing as members of antifa groups on Twitter. Some of these hoaxes have been picked up and reported as fact by right-leaning media.

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    The above said, the antifa movement ─ apparently spelled without an uppercase initial ─ appears to be a loosely-knit collective, rather than an actual organization, somewhat akin to the hackers of the Anonymous collective.

    It is however rumored that George Soros would be behind the movement, but if he is, then it's not because of the movement's left-wing political ideology ─ Soros is a neoliberal capitalist ─ but rather because the often violent activity of the movement is, as Noam Chomsky said, the perfect gift to the right. Antifa embodies the false Hegelian dialectic of "problem, reaction, solution", in this case, by demonizing the left and offering up the right as savior ─ which is exactly what Donald Trump has done, and what he is still doing.

    This is why I keep on saying that the US American "left-wing" is not left-wing at all. Both the nationalists and the globalists are right-wing. The only difference lies within their modus operandi, but their ultimate agenda is the same, i.e. American world domination.
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    Hey, I like that, Aragorn...
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Hey, I like that, Aragorn...
    Wikipedia, for all its flaws, is usually still a much better research resource than the opinions of the umpteenth YouTube talking head.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Wikipedia, for all its flaws, is usually still a much better research resource than the opinions of the umpteenth YouTube talking head.
    There are plenty of of rock solid talking heads on YouTube, you've just got to flush out the field to find the good ones no different than on forums. I've already pointed out Jimmy Dore, we all know Abby Martin, Kyle Kulinski is yet another one of many, seen here singling out Antifa and the authoritarian/anti free speech wing of the Left here. Just like Jimmy, Kyle does it from the *true* Left in order to root out the bullshit aspects of the whole:
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    hmm, Ok, Antifa punched a few people, it wasn't like it was a bullet to the forehead...now that's violence. Fists don't punch people, people punch people.

    Seriously, the VIOLENCE was wrong...it isn't justified...I personally don't think any progressive would do that...I think it was a false flag organized by some conservative element. I do reserve the right to promote my fantasies as truth...because I see it as the truth.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    hmm, Ok, Antifa punched a few people, it wasn't like it was a bullet to the forehead...now that's violence. Fists don't punch people, people punch people.

    Seriously, the VIOLENCE was wrong...it isn't justified...I personally don't think any progressive would do that...I think it was a false flag organized by some conservative element. I do reserve the right to promote my fantasies as truth...because I see it as the truth.
    Some people don't need an ideology for justifying their aggression. They're merely hooligans. From what I can make up, antifa would primarily be comprised of such hooligans.

    In the grander scheme of things, George Soros may or may not be behind it, but the fact remains that antifa's implied association with the left ─ even though that's only a smokescreen, because they're just as blind as their counterparts from the far-right ─ makes them into the perfect poster boys for right-wing populism and authoritarianism.
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    Antifa is being blown out of proportion like all the boogeymen out there. It's a boogeyman.

    Be scared! Be scared! Be scared!

    Then folks will ignore how the country is being looted.

    And it's foundation undermined.

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    yeah, the underminers are not stupid, they are sly, subtle and as ruthless as a South Asian female...(the last was a joke). Though, I highly doubt that my sister-in-law would appreciate the humor. Go head and cite my hypocrisy, my lack of sensitivity, and my lack of general couth...I can take it...
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    yeah, the underminers are not stupid, they are sly, subtle and as ruthless as a South Asian female...(the last was a joke). Though, I highly doubt that my sister-in-law would appreciate the humor. Go head and cite my hypocrisy, my lack of sensitivity, and my lack of general couth...I can take it...
    How very... on-topic...


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    I know...Why do you think I have always been in trouble of some kind...
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    I know...Why do you think I have always been in trouble of some kind...
    You might want to do something about that then.
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    I've tried, oh how I've tried...at some point it isn't 'a' thing, it is 'the' thing...
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    Simply amazing, how rapidly this thread has devolved into utter nonsense today. The predictable defense of the indefensible, because the Left of course can do no wrong, is incapable of violence and property destruction, in defiance of raw evidence and history in general. And the Right, every last little smidge of it, is of course the root of all evil, solely responsible for all the ills of the world. Not to mention that just about anything posted here is subject to being reliably politicized by certain members who just *love* to engage in partisan hackery.

    IMO this is an ongoing, and sizable factor in the lack of activity on this forum. At this point I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

    Defending Antifa. Really?

    I feel Sammy's frustration...
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Simply amazing, how rapidly this thread has devolved into utter nonsense today. The predictable defense of the indefensible, because the Left of course can do no wrong, is incapable of violence and property destruction, in defiance of raw evidence and history in general. And the Right, every last little smidge of it, is of course the root of all evil, solely responsible for all the ills of the world. Not to mention that just about anything posted here is subject to being reliably politicized by certain members who just *love* to engage in partisan hackery.

    IMO this is an ongoing, and sizable factor in the lack of activity on this forum. At this point I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

    Defending Antifa. Really?

    I feel Sammy's frustration...
    I don't think he was being serious about that, and that he was merely being mischievous ─ yes, it's a euphemism ─ but I agree with you on account of the thread derailment and the politicizing. And that's exactly why I normally walk away from threads that are already explicitly intended as political from the onset, because I have my tummy full of politics, and especially so US-centric politics. Or even better put still, anything US-centric, exactly because sooner or later ─ and usually sooner ─ it's going to come down to politics anyway.

    Alas, Vern asked a question, and he posted the thread in the wrong forum category. So I moved the thread, and without watching the video he posted, I replied to him, and thus I've gotten involved with this thread ─ which I've already begun to regret several hours ago.





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