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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    repulsive to you, of course...

    From my perspective since 1776 more than a few of the sacred amendments have been used to bash the unfavored. Because you are stuck in the 'Law and Order' paradigm you missed the most important part of my statement. I let my conscience drive my humanity and sense of right and wrong. I don't need written favoritism or an attorney to give me the right to speak my mind nor does it limit my ability to respect others right to speak theirs. Have you ever been in a court of law when you were told to 'shut the fuck up!'. I have.
    So far so good said the man who jumped from a high building as he passed the half way mark. Just a matter of time until you see the bottom IMO and I'll wonder how you feel then. I say that from my POV which has much to do with what we stand for and my own OPINION that the first amendment is a real innovation in human social mind. It's not all there is but IMO it's about the first to be lost.

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    The whole subject of Assange is so complex!

    Richard Dolan is right IMO about how much wikileaks accomplished.

    Julian Assange is one of the most important journalists in history. The information that has been revealed via Wikileaks has become part of humanity's shared heritage of freedom of information. His organization's track record of accuracy has been impeccable, far more accurate than the dishonest legacy/corporate/mainstream/establishment media has ever been. For this reason, Assange has been in the crosshairs of the American national security state for a long time. Now it appears they have him. This is one more battle in the long war to roll back the freedom of information people have won since the creation of the Internet.

    #RichardDolan

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugaA-PKygAw


    I came across a Richard C. Hall investigation into what is known about his history.

    Richard Hall says he is "an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet".

    In conspiracy circles Wikileaks generates much excitement. But not at Richplanet. Whenever you hear the words "Assange" or "Wikileaks" in relation to some new "leak", there are the questions you ought to be asking yourself : What is the ulterior motive for this leak and am I being taken for a ride here? In this film, for the first time anywhere Richard D Hall reveals just how much of a handled entity Julian Assange is. Assange is not an independent activist, but is chauffeured around by establishment handlers. He is not a wanted criminal, he is not being given asylum, he is not a whistleblower, he is not an advocate of freedom of information. He is an intelligence created tool being used to front one of the biggest psy-ops currently in operation on this planet. Wikileaks is funded and supported by globalists who are using it for a number of agendas.
    Please visit www.richplanet.net

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Snyc6DbaYk8
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    “Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed: everything else is public relations.” George Orwell

    Ray McGovern, worked as a CIA analyst for 27 years from 1963 to 1990. He chaired National Intelligence Estimates and prepared the President’s Daily Brief. He received the Intelligence Commendation Medal at his retirement but returned it in 2006, to protest the CIA’s involvement in torture. In 2003 Ray co-founded Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS).

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnwgQhBSEqI


    The lawyer representing Julian Assange says her client wasn't hiding from justice when he took refuge in London.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpwyMu3PsUg


    Chris Hedges is a Truthdig columnist, a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, a New York Times best-selling author, a professor in the college degree program offered to New Jersey state prisoners by Rutgers University, and an ordained Presbyterian minister.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UT7n0WY_6Ww

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    Jailed for journalism: WikiLeaks editor Hrafnsson on Assange case

    Six years, nine months, three weeks, two days after taking refuge in the Ecuadorian embassy, the impasse was broken when WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange was dragged out of the building by British police in response to an extradition request from the United States.

    When it comes to media personalities and stories about journalism, there are few that come to mind that are bigger than Assange and WikiLeaks.

    Assange stands charged with "a conspiracy to commit computer intrusion" and his extradition could have wider implications for journalists in the digital age, in the US and beyond.

    The Listening Post's Richard Gizbert speaks with WikiLeaks editor Kristinn Hrafnsson on the charges and the timing of Julian Assange's arrest.

    Al Jazeera: Let's start with the context and the question, why now? Given that Ecuador took Julian Assange in seven years ago, does the decision to expel him from the embassy and probably place him at the mercy of the US justice system simply come down to the fact that the president who initially gave him asylum, Rafael Correa, is no longer in power, having been replaced by the new President, Lenin Moreno?

    Kristinn Hrafnsson: That's exactly what happened. I mean, the only change that was in the scenario was that the fact that there was a regime change in Ecuador and the president that came in there was willing to bow to the pressure or willing to curry favours with the Trump administration.

    There had been reports in the New York Times in December that he was willing to hand Julian Assange over to the Trump administration in exchange for debt relief or favours from the IMF. So it didn't come as a surprise. And therefore there has been increased pressure inside the Ecuadorian embassy in trying to force him out, and it ended in this manner this week.

    Al Jazeera: Edward Snowden was among the people who tweeted on this right away, and he said, "Images of Ecuador's ambassador inviting the UK's secret police into the embassy to drag a publisher of - like it or not - award-winning journalism out of the building are going to end up in the history books. Assange's critics may cheer, but this is a dark moment for press freedom."

    How do you see this precedent?

    Hrafnsson: I totally agree with Snowden on this, it is a very dark day and it sets a precedent that is totally … actually very dangerous for journalists, editors, publishers all around the world. If you can extradite a journalist to a third country, the United States, for publishing the truth, no journalist can be secure. So this must be stopped. This must be resisted in all manner. It has to unify journalists around this cause, whatever they may think about Julian Assange.

    .......................

    Al Jazeera: The charges in the US carry maximum jail time of five years. First of all, do you take the US Justice Department at its word on that?

    Hrafnsson: No, I mean there are two things to consider here. First, this is … this is a reference to hacking here, it's being reported in media as a conspiracy of hacking, which is a very strange depiction of this.

    But secondly, this is only the tip of the iceberg. We are absolutely certain that this is only one of the charges that will be brought on Julian Assange, and they will be added on more charges when he arrives - if he arrives in the United States in chains.

    It's specifically presented in this manner, in our opinion, to increase the likelihood that he will be extradited because people will say, "well, it's only five years".

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEwgUefRAxw


    Paul Craig Roberts, secretary to the treasury with Ronald Reagan, about the brutal arrest of Wikileaks founder Julian Assange at the Equadorian Embassy today, we also discuss the suppression of freedom of speech, the Washington coup in Venezuela, and the Brexit facade.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1nOsq3KDl4

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    I've heard several journalists from a variety of perspectives decry the arrest of Julian Assange and the direct relation it has to journalism and speech.

    There's definitely not some monolithic response going on.

    I didn't have to go looking. Lots of folks in the media are expressing concern.

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    Some say there is no such thing as an autism epidemic. Epidemics are associated with contaigen and so yes, technically there is no epidemic. It is not "catching" but it is dramatically increasing. I met a mother of sons 18 and 22 (born 2001 and 1997). She came for a massage. She never can anywhere or do anything without arranging care for wheelchair bound adults (issues including autistim). This is a permanent child hood of near infancy.

    IF vaccines are part of this increase, we owe it to all the families who have children unaffected so far to STOP the process. Is it vaccine related, glyphosate related, related to EMF, what is the issue?
    Okay, I have been biting my lip again since I've seen this thread appear in the listings, but I am now going to open up my mouth, and then I'm going to mentally ignore this thread.

    First of all, Maggie, I respect you and I like you, but you do have a chip on your shoulder regarding the "autism and vaccines" issue, and so I find it utterly bizarre that you link the arrest of Julian Assange ─ who, mind you, is not quite the saint that this so-called alternative community would like to portray him as, but who has so far been doing the world a big favor by publishing things that The Powers That Be™ would have preferred to remain hidden, even if Assange would actually be serving the agenda of some yet unidentified entity ─ to the subject of vaccines.

    Secondly, it has already long been proven that an autism spectrum neurology is a purely genetically originated condition and that no extraneous factors are involved with that. Most of the genes responsible have already been identified. In addition to that, there are scientists who believe that an autism spectrum neurology may actually be an evolutionary thing.

    Furthermore, a more than ten-year-long investigation into the link between vaccines and autism has recently ─ i.e. in 2018 ─ come to its final conclusion, and this investigation finds that there is no causal link between an autism spectrum neurology and vaccines. Furthermore, the mercury-based conservation agent known as Thiomersal has already no longer been used in any MMR vaccines in over 30 years.

    Thirdly, you keep championing Andrew Wakefield, who has repeatedly been found guilty of unethical conduct, fraud and misappropriation of subsidies, and who was proven to have a completely unprofessional and unethical agenda, selling his services and "expertise" to a law firm ─ which is how this whole thing got started in the first place ─ and treating his patients with a complete lack of empathy. The man is a cold-blooded criminal and he was barred from practising medicine ever again for very good reason.

    Just because the "vaccines cause autism" myth is very popular within this so-called alternative community doesn't make it legitimate yet, and especially not when it has already become abundantly clear over the many years that this so-called alternative community mainly thrives on knee-jerk dismissals of things people do not understand because they lack the scientific education and the discernment to do so.

    Lastly, it has also come to light quite recently ─ I think it was in January 2019 ─ that one of the most rabid anti-vaxxers exclusively got her "scientific evidence" from an anti-vaxxer group on Facebook. This was discovered by her own autistic daughter, whom she sought to "cure" of her autism. And of course ─ it almost goes without saying ─ this woman once again turns out to be a US American.

    I have been on Facebook for a few years, and I was very active there in the autism acceptance movement. I am very familiar with the anti-vaxxers and their groups on Facebook, and it was in part ─ not entirely, but to a large extent ─ why I chose to leave Facebook in 2010. I have had to deal with lots of bullies in my life, but I can tell you from the heart that hell hath no fury like an anti-vaxxer "autism mom". They bully you, they stalk you, and they are among the most arrogant and vicious creatures I've ever encountered in my life. Some of them will even speak to you in such a manner that you start contemplating appealing for an exorcist from the Vatican.

    Anyway and to bring this post to a conclusion, like I said, it takes quite a stretch of anybody's imagination to link the arrest of Julian Assange to mandatory vaccinations, and it is therefore quite easy for me to see that this is some personal crusade of yours, but the science has been explained into detail ad nauseam ─ by myself here at the forum, as well as by others elsewhere ─ and so I'm not going to get into that yet another time, because I lack both the energy and the will to do so.

    The One Truth will not censor your freedom of speech, but as a forum, we cannot and will not support this crusade, nor the glorification of Andrew Wakefield and his fraudulent, ego-driven and unethical agenda. As an individual on the autism spectrum, I experience autism with both its challenges and its merits ─ it's not perfect, but at the same time it gives me abilities that normies don't have, such as an incredible attention to detail and a virtually inexhaustible memory capacity. And I didn't get any of it through any vaccinations either ─ I am too old to have been subjected to any mandatory MMR vaccinations, and I have had the measles, the mumps and rubella as a young boy, and I've recovered from them, as did all children of my generation.

    I have said what I needed to say, and most importantly, an official disclaimer from The One Truth on account of this thread was warranted. I will now do as I said I would and I will leave this thread for what it is, but depending on the direction this thread evolves in, I may eventually decide to park it under the misinformation category.


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    you do have a chip on your shoulder regarding the "autism and vaccines" issue, and so I find it utterly bizarre that you link the arrest of Julian Assange
    I respect your ability to create a solid personal POV and have stated my own. I also have included different observations of the systematic stifling of information (which may be true and if true would challenge a major insititution revered and trusted) so as to shut down any further investigation. That includes the role of journalism and the private world of humans who are forced to receive treatments they may not want and which may injure and which MAY not be necessary at all. There is my link.

    If something is true, it is true..... that will always be so. Unfortunately authoritarian gaslighting can actually be an effective way to shut MANY people's mouths. Someone hears a "quack" and wonders... is that a duck? the response form authority is "NO! How dare you suggest that?" If one continues to question and if one is dangerous to a certain faction, there will be severe repercussions. Others say in the depths of their minds.... that DID sound like a duck but I won't go there.

    Andrew Wakefield (a gastrointestinal specialist who had a sterling reputation BEFORE) is one person who in MY RESEARCH has been shown to have made the big mistake of trying to report the sound of quacking. It linked a sudden neurological failure to a severe gastrointestinal disorder in multiple patients and their Mom's said..."It all started with a vaccination...."

    The experiences that are happening to people (including Assange) because they are thwarting the system's goals feel like a heart break. Assange was in that room for 7 years and now will be subject to the worst kind of pay back possibly. Information was leaked and it was important. He has been called a diificult person and he may have been a tool?

    It is not necessary to me to add any many more bits here. Everyone here can look up info if they still have questions.

    I will now do as I said I would and I will leave this thread for what it is, but depending on the direction this thread evolves in, I may eventually decide to park it under the misinformation category.
    That statement leaves me with such a strange feeling.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post

    I have said what I needed to say, and most importantly, an official disclaimer from The One Truth on account of this thread was warranted. I will now do as I said I would and I will leave this thread for what it is, but depending on the direction this thread evolves in, I may eventually decide to park it under the misinformation category.


    I felt something like an electric sensation when reading this statement.
    My response is that this forum has some really bizarre standards of determining mis-information. Honestly it is just like I said. The powers that control decide what is true.
    I have decided to withdraw my energy from this forum as it has already evidenced just the kind of concern I think I am addressing.

    If you tow the (whatever) standards, you can say whatever (they) like. Very very eerie.
    Good Bye all. See ya in the Funny Papers. Maggie

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    I requested a retirement and Aragorn responded that he would not go back on his words about relegating the thread to misinformation (as he suspected of me also... that I would not retract my position).

    The vaccine issue despite what you state is NOT settled science. The threat to journalistic investigation includes silencing of those who want to seek scientific investigation of public health mandates.

    I am adding this to my thread as I was reflecting on what does it mean to "have a chip on my shoulder" VERSUS a concern crafted from experience and knowledge? Most people were not trained as as an RN (1978) or a Family Nurse Practitioner (1988). Not every one has seen changes in the health care approach in person. In my experience as an FNP in a clinic which served many people without insurance, I was made aware that my job was to use what is essentially a "cook book" of treatment.

    There were several incidents that created cognitive dissonance. In that same time period, I was first made aware through my friends' experience of a PERFECTLY normal boy who suspiciously contiguous to his vaccinations regressed developmentally. He was later diagnosed with autism. His mother became an activist in the school system as there were no special eduaction programs in Union County addressing autism. She became a special ed teacher so she could help him and others.

    Through intervention, he was able to graduate from High school and he found his calling in growing plants and he has a greenhouse at their property. Now he is in his 30's. He lives at home but because his mother is who she is (devoting herself to him), the situation they are in is quite good.

    I did wonder about the coincidence and yes, the faith I felt in the system began to erode.

    The decison I made was to remain a hospital RN. I thought that I could use my skills to bring comfort to people and not feel conflicted over being the one to decide on treatment. I respected that people could make their choices with their physician. I always 100% supported the relationship and emphasized always that people can recover.

    I know I have a trigger about being forced to receive treatment I do not think is good. It has partly to do with the concept of the placebo and nocebo effect. In 2009, Emory hospital was one of the first institutions in the US to require a flu shot of ALL employees. It was so they could reach a percentage that would conform to a "quality indicator" of "excellence" resulting in greater reimbursement form Medicare.

    I was able to see that hardly anyone felt this as an existential insult. I did use religious exemption along with at least one other person as concerned as I. Then luckily I was able to retire because we also were asked to vaccinate all patients who were not up to date (against my principles because I don't think vaccination is good when ill).

    This did create a dark night of my professional life. I had to wrestle with my principles because I was not reirement age (though technically I could use my retirement account and was officially retired after being there over 22 years plus age of 55-= at least 75).

    In my recollection, I have always known what is right for my body. I did get a flu shot once (despite some reservation) and weirdly had something like narcolepsy for 6 months. I have always gravitaed to holistic modalities and have quite a bit of knowledge about alternative treatments.

    During my dark night of floundering about for what I would do as a living, I tried various jobs. Then I found out that massage therapy which I had studied was a wonderful career. I meet lots of people. Most have some ailment. I don't really think one treatment fits all. But what I see is that we are always funneled by "insurance" into a very narrow band of acceptable response to issues. ON TOP OF THAT, when I share my various explorations into things I have learned have worked for people, many just are not interested unless a DOCTOR says this would work.

    I have been true to my own beliefs and feel so physically well these days. I threw out all activities and substances that feel wrong. Oddly that is not synonomous with the "proscriptions of health experts" but what seems right to me. I am working on strengthening my power of INTENTION.

    I have a deep desire that all be happy and all be free. I feel hatred for systems that actively seek to perpetuate themselves and their agendas gainst our will. IMO promulgating constant fear of what we have to do to live stifles the mind of humans. These systems seek only their own proliferation. These are what Vadim Zeland call PENDULMS. Humans and human agency keep these pendulums swinging. HOW? By our own dedication and belief and fearful aquiescence.

    IMO the vaccine and journalistic debate are correlaries because each have elements that show what they seek: subjugation of the human to the will of the pendulums. It seems to me that if people listened to the stuff I post, it would encourage some question marks in the mind. My question at the moment. Are we facing the critical and insufferable asault on rational social freedom of expression and sharing of information?

    Vaccines don't injure everyone but has anyone been wondering about the additive burden that vaccines have a part in and the prevalence now of chronic disease that increases exponentially? Maybe in some way, I have linked these changes with being forced to have shots of unnatural substances.

    To me after many years, the whole nexus of power is the mind. Yes, if I had no concern at all about vaccines, I could probably take in gallons. My mind is that powerful. But I DON"T have that knowing about vaccines. I met someone at a Joe Dispenza workshop who does apparently have complete control over her reality. She told me a funny story of how she makes her family practioner feel better by taking the flu shot. My intention is to use all the tools I know to develop mastery of the matrix presentaion of "me". Vaccines are not acceptable now but maybe IF I had to do it, I could change my mind?

    In the mean time, I don't do things that seem dicey. AND YES< I am pissed that we are told we have to conform> Yeah, I do feel a bit pissed that here of all places you can threaten a kind of thought policing. I am sad that you Aragorn think you ABSOLUTELY know what is what enough to say I am sharing mis-information on this thread. WEIRD.

    Best of luck is sincerely desired in for all who read this post. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness is a grand goal. I see myself at this time as PRO CHOICE and PRO FREEDOM and PRO INDIVIDUAL with a big helping of rejection of dictator ship.
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    I said I wasn't going to participate in this thread anymore, but if you keep on quoting me and even addressing me without quoting me, then you're not leaving me much choice, Maggie. So here it is, for whatever it's worth.

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    I requested a retirement and Aragorn responded that he would not go back on his words about relegating the thread to misinformation [...
    That is not what I said. I said I would not go back on my words, period. I meant that I was not going to go back on anything from the content of my post higher up the thread, and I consider the part where I spoke of possibly moving this thread as just a minor detail from my post. The rest of my post was (and still is) much more important to consider.

    Quote Originally posted by Maggie View Post
    ...] (as he suspected of me also... that I would not retract my position).
    I know you too well, Maggie.

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    The vaccine issue despite what you state is NOT settled science.
    When it comes to vaccines and autism, then I'm afraid it is very much a settled science, and has been for years. When it comes to Andrew Wakefield, there are two members here ─ they're not online right now ─ who happen to be able to describe in much greater detail what exactly he's done. And there's also a very interesting Wikipedia article about him, from which I've already quoted a few paragraphs in reply to another member here who was defending Wakefield tooth and nail without daring to look at the evidence.

    I'm a scientist, Maggie. I look at the evidence ─ I'm not into knee-jerk reactions.

    Quote Originally posted by Maggie View Post
    The threat to journalistic investigation includes silencing of those who want to seek scientific investigation of public health mandates.
    Oh but I'll accept that. It just doesn't have anything to do with Julian Assange. The connection you make between Assange and the issue of vaccines is an artificial one, as an excuse to carry on with your crusade, in spite of all the evidence that you're wrong.

    Quote Originally posted by Maggie View Post
    I am adding this to my thread as I was reflecting on what does it mean to "have a chip on my shoulder" VERSUS a concern crafted from experience and knowledge?
    Well, that one is easy, isn't it? Julian Assange's arrest has nothing whatsoever to do with vaccines ─ let alone with autism ─ but you chose to artificially create this link so as to be able to bring up the subject of how vaccines supposedly cause autism (when it has been proven time and time again that autism is a purely genetic condition), and to once again defend Andrew Wakefield.

    If that's not a chip on your shoulder, then I don't know what is.

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    Most people were not trained as as an RN (1978) or a Family Nurse Practitioner (1988).
    Surprise surprise, I was. And I was trained as much more too.

    Quote Originally posted by Maggie View Post
    [...] In the mean time, I don't do things that seem dicey. AND YES< I am pissed that we are told we have to conform> Yeah, I do feel a bit pissed that here of all places you can threaten a kind of thought policing. I am sad that you Aragorn think you ABSOLUTELY know what is what enough to say I am sharing mis-information on this thread. WEIRD.
    It's not thought policing. This forum is all about seeking the truth, and history knows that The One Truth has seen more than its fair share of misinformation, disinformation and hoaxes. But that is in the past now. If you're looking for the truth, then you also have to be willing to accept the truth if it turns out to be something you don't want to hear. And regarding autism, the truth is that it has been proven time and time again to not have anything to do with vaccines ─ or at least not in any causal way.

    By the same token you could go and claim that jumping up and down on a trampoline in your backyard is what causes rain to fall down from the sky, because on both occasions that you were jumping up and down on your trampoline, it started raining. And then you conveniently deny the fact that it was also raining on the days that you weren't jumping up and down on that trampoline, but that you were indoors reading a book that you were so immersed in that you didn't even notice that it was raining outside.

    Knee-jerks and denial do more harm than good. Like I said, Thiomersal has already no longer been part of any vaccines since the 1980s. And I am autistic without ever having been injected with anything containing Thiomersal.

    I am opposed to mandatory anything, including mandatory vaccinations. I am also fully aware of how Big Pharma is a psychopathic industry that doesn't have the best of intentions in mind, any more than the military-industrial complex does. But vaccines do save human lives. And they do not cause autism. Furthermore, your crusade shows that you do not properly understand what autism is, what it does, or what it feels like to be autistic. I do. I live it every day, and I also understand the neurology, the psychology and the psychiatry. Because instead of jerking my knees and being a yes-man, I've studied all that stuff.

    Lastly, whether this thread is to be moved to the disinformation category has nothing to do with you personally, but with the statement this thread is making (or about to make) with regard to something that has been disproven time and time again in scientifically verifiable manners and with all results of the research unfalsifiably published in reputed and reliable scientific publications.

    There are still people who claim that Earth would be flat, there are still people who believe that the Nazis were the good guys, there are still people who believe that QAnon would be a genuine US military insider in collusion with El Donaldo the Banana Republican™ against the Deep State™, and there are still people who claim that the convicted murderer Mark Richards would be a genuine whistleblower and hero from a secret space program, or that Corey Goode would be some sort of chosen emissary from the alleged Blue Avians.

    Their delusional thought processes don't make it so yet, and if anyone posts that stuff here, then they are free to do so, but it'll all get parked in the Proven Hoaxes & Misinformation forum. Because it has been proven to be misinformation. Not my personal opinion, not some ego-driven arbitration that you and others here would attribute to myself, but stuff that was proven to be one thing or the other. It's as simple as that. But I guess that rules me out as a tyrant or a dictator, and that in itself could also be an unsettling truth to accept for certain individuals here.

    How much evidence does one need before reality breaks through those bubbles of knee-jerking denial that have this so-called alternative community in their clutches, Maggie?
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    an official disclaimer from The One Truth on account of this thread was warranted. I will now do as I said I would and I will leave this thread for what it is, but depending on the direction this thread evolves in, I may eventually decide to park it under the misinformation category.
    An OFFICIAL disclaimer is the exact point. Maybe you are the one on a crusade here and using your position to STOP discussion. What I am not claiming is that ALL cases of symptoms that have been defined as autism are vaccine injuries. You may have symptoms (but obviously mild ones) of a neurologic pattern defined in the Autism spectrum without the trigger of environmental toxic overload?

    I may be mistaken about a meta connection? I see correlation between wikileaks representive Julian Assange's arrest for sharing sensitive information and sharing information around the contentious issue of vaccine heisitancy. I do think that they share the same mode of operation of chilling the flow of important information.

    Credible scientists have demonstrated through analysis of mainstream research that vaccine safety is an UNSETTLED question. The role of vaccines in permanent and catastrophic injury is not about just "autism" but neurotoxic damage and immune system failure caused by a combination of ingredients, the route, the sheer amount and the timing of substances FORCED on vulnerable organisms.

    Moreover, the science around the role of hygeine and resistance to disease shows a clear relationship between changes in availability of clean water, proper nutrition, sanitation and population density with manifestation of communicable disease. There are so many variables to explain the presence and absence of infection and yet, the vaccine industry would like us to accept the "unavoidable danger" of injecting foriegn substances into the body.

    There is also the misnomer of herd immunity that is so well proclaimed by the "Emergency" need to force vaccinations on infants as young as 6 months and adults in NYC NOW. The MMR does not provide life time immunity. Having measles, mumps and rubella does. Having the diseases is not dnagerous unless immune compromised and there is a BIG question about why one becomes immune compromised (think hygeine and iatrogenic and environemntal toxins).

    There is the issue of the slippery slope in forced vaccination: the assault on religious freedom, the assault on philosophical disagreement that is thrown out entirely when government proclaims states of emergency. Then we find how much election funding comes form the industries of "health care" to politicians and the conflicts of interest that make one suspect this is not public health at all that drives laws.

    Moreover, there is the issue of who takes care of all those who are unavoidably harmed by the vaccination and sequelae? It is NOT about autism per se but about freedom and responsibility and who gets to mandate in the face of no social net support or necessity to deal with unintended consequences?

    Like I said before... I am drawing meta connections and what I see is that when dissent is denied, the only losers are those who were forced into compliance.

    People who are active in the process of seeking scientific safety and efficacy studies have included whistle blowers who reported the manipulation of evidence. I think it is a case where the pharmaceutical industry has overtaken governmental bodies. The evidence is available but all the social media machines are for some reason agreeing to label all dissent Anti-vax crazies and others not yet affected will parrot that line.

    To silence all debate about the issue IS analogous to demanding that journalists not pass on information deemed sensitive and therefore potentially disruptive to society.

    Identifying yourself, Aragorn as having a condition, wanting to explain your perception of the causes and consequences (both positive and negative) of symptoms identified with the condition and feeling you are offended by others who might suspect this is an un-natural iatrogenic induced condition... NO PROBLEM.

    Coming from the admin power of demanding my thread be deemed mis-information is just really similar IMO to all the other ways we are being mentally herded into the state of powerless agreement. Enough said and enough explained.
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    Quote Originally posted by Maggie View Post
    An OFFICIAL disclaimer is the exact point. Maybe you are the one on a crusade here and using your position to STOP discussion.
    I have already stated in clear English that I am not trying to stop the discussion, Maggie, but by all means, keep trying to suggest that I do indeed intend to do so and that I would be abusing my position as the administrator here to police the thoughts of our members.

    If you repeat the lie long enough, somebody's going to believe it eventually, and I can already think of one particular member who will now be sending you a PM to let you know that they sympathize with you, and that I am such a horrible tyrant who suppresses discussion.

    I've said what I needed to say. I am not responsible for anybody's interpretation of my words in ways that would be convenient for their hostile-to-myself mindset, even if they would be utterly wrong with their interpretation. To the best of my knowledge, I have neither deleted, nor closed, nor moved this thread yet. If I wanted to shut you up, then I guess I could have already used that dreaded admin power by now, no?
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I have already stated in clear English that I am not trying to stop the discussion, Maggie, but by all means, keep trying to suggest that I do indeed intend to do so and that I would be abusing my position as the administrator here to police the thoughts of our members.
    An OFFICIAL disclaimer is the exact point. I have never been hostile to you personally. To suggest that is strangely missing the mark.

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    Just a suggestion:

    A better approach to maintaining a controversial position is to supply hard evidence supporting the position. But all info has to be stirred about by multiple sources...credible sources. Bias will always creep in but reputable and 'the best of the best' scientists are by nature very open minded to new viable information or counter-information.

    To sustain an idea with true conviction the evidence should be very very solid else a caveat is in order.

    Just my opinion. Maggie, I know you are very bright and have strong opinions and as Aragorn stated he is a scientist...and that is his approach towards what he feels is unsubstantiated claims...cautious and conservative and in this case personal. I would be looking for peer reviewed medical research that is inline with your position.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Just a suggestion:

    A better approach to maintaining a controversial position is to supply hard evidence supporting the position. But all info has to be stirred about by multiple sources...credible sources. Bias will always creep in but reputable and 'the best of the best' scientists are by nature very open minded to new viable information or counter-information.

    To sustain an idea with true conviction the evidence should be very very solid else a caveat is in order.

    Just my opinion. Maggie, I know you are very bright and have strong opinions and as Aragorn stated he is a scientist...and that is his approach towards what he feels is unsubstantiated claims...cautious and conservative and in this case personal. I would be looking for peer reviewed medical research that is inline with your position.
    I will miss you NAP.

    I guess that my sources were not as good as Aragorn's.

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