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    Barr wrote in his memo that “the Special Counsel did not find that the Trump campaign, or anyone associated with it, conspired or coordinated with the Russian government in these efforts, despite multiple offers from Russian-affiliated individuals to assist the Trump campaign.”

    But Ratcliffe is wrong to say the dossier “started all of this.” Competing memos from the Republicans and the Democrats on the House intelligence committee both say that information about George Papadopoulos, a Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, had prompted the FBI investigation in July 2016.

    Papadopoulos had contacts with Russian intermediaries during the campaign, according to the Justice Department, and later pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about those contacts. While he was a Trump campaign adviser, Papadopoulos met with a professor with connections to Russian government officials who told him “about the Russians possessing ‘dirt’ on then-candidate Hillary Clinton in the form of ‘thousands of emails,'” and he tried to arrange a meeting between the Russian government and the campaign, the DOJ’s statement of the offense said.

    A memo released Feb. 2, 2018, by the Republicans on the House intelligence committee raised concerns about the use of the dossier in an application from the DOJ and FBI under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act to conduct electronic surveillance on Carter Page, another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser. But it said the “Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016.”

    The Democrats on the House intelligence committee agreed with that, saying in a memo released Feb. 24, 2018, that the FBI investigation started “more than seven weeks” before the FBI received Steele’s intelligence reporting in mid-September of that year.

    The two sides disagree about how essential the dossier was to the FISA court application to monitor Page. But one of the few points of agreement is that the FBI investigation began with information on Papadopoulos.

    After the GOP memo was released, Republican Rep. Trey Gowdy, also a member of the intelligence committee, said the dossier didn’t have any effect on the Russia investigation. “I actually don’t think it has any impact on the Russia probe,” Gowdy said on Feb. 4, 2018, on CBS’ “Face the Nation.”

    Gowdy mentioned other incidents that had nothing to do with the dossier, including Papadopoulos’ contacts with the professor and the June 9, 2016, Trump Tower meeting Donald Trump Jr. arranged with what he was told was a “Russian government attorney” offering incriminating information on Hillary Clinton. “So there’s going to be a Russia probe, even without a dossier.”
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    Long time no see, Sam. Glad to have you here... Now back to the topic again.

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    I know too many folks these days who treat facts like they are opinions.

    The truth becomes more and more eroded until people can't/don't believe things. Then they are ripe for the plucking...

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    We have officially become a 3rd world dictatorship:

    Half the political legislators are insisting Trump should be impeached for crimes and egregious misdemeanors and the supporters are chanting "lock THEM up". Where is that well timed bolt out of the blue when you need it.
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    Is definitely arriving rapidly imo, very blue lol

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    Will share this here ...

    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Mueller talks ...

    WATCH: Robert Mueller makes 1st public statement on Russia probe


    The Sun

    Recorded live 11:00 am EST
    5/29/2019

    10:04 minutes


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    Isn't the Sun a tabloid newspaper?

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    Quote Originally posted by Kitsune View Post
    Isn't the Sun a tabloid newspaper?
    Hi Kelly ...

    This was a live feed on the internet ...

    Does that takeaway or disclaim from Mueller's public statement in anyway?

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    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Hi Kelly ...

    This was a live feed on the internet ...

    Does that takeaway or disclaim from Mueller's public statement in anyway?

    Absolutely not. I guess I'm just especially skeptical on everything now (sorry) 😑
    Things like this do not help either
    https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...ctored-content

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    It might be significant that they published anything even remotely near reality.
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    This is why it's almost impossible to post anything in good faith anymore on these conspiracy forums ...
    It is the true nature of the beast and why it is unfortunately dying and going by the wayside.

    The bottom line here if one listened closely is - Mueller did not exonerate President Trump in his two year investigation.

    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Oh - he investigated him, but (apparently this was never his mandate to do) he is (was) restricted (prohibited) by Department of Justice guidelines from prosecuting a sitting president ... That's for Congress (the House of Representatives) to do, and for the Senate (side) to sit as jurors ... Even if Congress doesn't accept its duty (due to the Republican's control in the Senate) ... Trump could still be charged after he's out of office ... He's not out of the woods yet and he knows it.

    The implications of (today's) Mueller public statement will now (and always) shadow Trump's presidency.
    Post note: I follow over 589 YouTube channel subscriptions on my personal feed (daily) - Oddly - today when the Mueller statement broke at 11 AM EST today - I checked (monitored) several MSM network feeds simultaneously - To my surgin all the feeds (except The Sun) _kept losing their live feed connections - So i went with the best available - A so called tabloid (fake news outlet) ...

    Isn't that ironically special !

    giggle
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    Now that the spying post, during and well before 2016 elections is factual, not just on Trump and campaign but known atm hundreds and very likely many thousands of USAians, and as this is n will now come out to a hearing or non hearing n listening public, Trump is looking shiney n good though no angel imo.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Now that the spying post, during and well before 2016 elections is factual, not just on Trump and campaign but known atm hundreds and very likely many thousands of USAians, and as this is n will now come out to a hearing or non hearing n listening public, Trump is looking shiney n good though no angel imo.
    I think you've got your facts backwards, Vern. It wasn't the Democrats who were spying on Trump, it was the Republicans ─ or at least, those of the far-right persuasion ─ who were playing foul, with the help of Russian hackers. Don't forget the proselytizing and propagandizing campaign on Facebook by Cambridge Analytica, which is owned by Steve Bannon.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Trump is looking shiney n good though no angel imo.
    Yes he has often been describe as very anal in these regards ...


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    Neither left or rite nor black nor white nor neither sides or backwords or forwords, Tisa control n manipulation by spying and knowing how to play and win from that, again kneether rep or dem.


    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I think you've got your facts backwards, Vern. It wasn't the Democrats who were spying on Trump, it was the Republicans ─ or at least, those of the far-right persuasion ─ who were playing foul, with the help of Russian hackers. Don't forget the proselytizing and propagandizing campaign on Facebook by Cambridge Analytica, which is owned by Steve Bannon.

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