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    Hi Dt,

    Are there available documents to read?

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    Hmmm....

    Here is a link to a 20 minute Lawfare podcast which distills the various elements (their word) and puts them together.

    It has to do with reading the charges that are filed. Mueller did something a prosecutor would do leading up to trial, even though there is no trial for Trump. So he lays out the story in the text of the indictments.

    I have not made an effort to get copies of the indictments myself. I believe they're available as part of the public record.

    The special counsel's 29-page indictment in July of 12 Russian military intelligence officers is an example of such an indictment. It contained far more facts and information than is required to prosecute the case.
    Even if Mueller has evidence of criminal wrongdoing on Trump's part, experts say it's unlikely he will move to indict the president, because current DOJ policy says a sitting president cannot be indicted.
    Trump knows this and so he's been beating the drum of no collusion so he can pretend he's been vindicated, which is what he's doing.


    Mueller knows that his investigation into Trump isn't a prosecution and that the real trial will be in the Court of Opinion of the American people. And so he's laying it out for us.

    And it's up to us to do the hard work of looking at this rather than following the media drama.

    There are lots of folks looking at it.


    Here is Roger Stone's indictment. I found this link in an article in the Atlanta Journal Constitution. (newspaper)

    There's more to be found.

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    Among the areas covered in said indictments are:


    evidence of lies by Papadopoulos

    evidence of money laundering by Manafort and Gates

    evidence of Flynn lying to the FBI

    evidence of Russian hacking/meddling re US elections

    evidence Manafort tried to obstruct Mueller

    Manafort lying after plea

    Russians hacked right after Trump's request

    Cohen lied after campaign

    evidence Stone lied to congress


    Marcy Wheeler talks about Matt Taibi. She said, "Taibbi's piece is full of errors. So, if he wants to lecture the media about their reporting he should re-write it and fix the errors first."

    The link is to her extensive article in The New Republic.

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    Mueller went trolling for scum in the swamp, and surprise surprise he found some, only problem is that none of it was Russian collusion related. I wonder how much general swamp scum could have been dredged up from squeezing those in the Hillary camp until they popped under pressure from an unchained federal prosecutor?

    Ken Starr veered from investigating a land deal, to presidential sexy time with a cute young intern. This has been very reminiscent of that time. A special prosecutor isn't worth his salt unless he comes back with some scalps, no matter the circumstances in which they were obtained.

    Anyway, it's going to be an interesting study to observe how TDS plays out over the now more than likely next 6 years. How many heads are going to wind up just exploding unless wrapped tightly with duct tape by those who simply cannot let this thing go?

    We shall see.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Republicans have been investigating Hillary for several years now. I've lost track of how many. I guess they're not very good at dredging stuff up.

    Ken Starr took about twice as long as Mueller.
    Last edited by Dreamtimer, 30th March 2019 at 13:04.

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    several years, DT...they've been investigating her for 30 years...even Ken Starr said it was a witch hunt...for Hillary...

    and he also recently said that Trump is guilty as he appears. Trump is at the top of the heap when it comes to playing with the American Justice system. He's reveling in it. I would admire him if he wasn't such a COMPLETE scumbag. I can get behind outsmarting the authoritarians, but not being an authoritarian.
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    It's such an ager. For nearly my entire adult life they've been investigating her. She's a walking trigger.

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    yes, she is...A powerful southern Democrat...lol. She is a sexual fetish for the right. Remember my post about Civil War, emasculation and displaced sexual and cultural angst? She is the target, of choice, actually, not choice, obsession.
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    I agree with the obsession part. My brother is still talking about her, showing me videos of her supposedly almost falling down stairs. And making jokes about how criticisms of her were supposed to be sexist.

    He's behind the curve in quite a few ways.

    People are still chanting "lock her up!" more than two years after Trump became president. It's a sickness.

    There are so many evil people in the world. To make her the centerpiece is to do no more than create a scapegoat. Her actions don't hold a candle to, say, the current Saudi prince.

    For just one example.

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    Rite time to get involved again lol, the Trump puppet is beating the Clinton puppet big time, huge realisations about media false controlled narrative being seen even by sheepies sleepies, humans winning, all good. For some I say welcome to post 2012-13 now time, fast yes ?

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    The report, however many hundreds of pages it is, will have appendices.

    Appendices are often where much of the real meat is. I learned this working at law firms.

    I don't know that we'll ever get the chance to see what's in them but we sure need to hold our lawmakers accountable for reviewing them. That's where much of the real evidence will be.

    Legal and financial documents, etc.

    Tax returns, that sort of stuff.

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    Love your faith Dreamtimer.

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    And so here it is, the actual Mueller report ─ or at least, a redacted version of it.



    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    thanks Aragorn, I think things are going to get interesting...
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    Place this is the category of fantasy or reality. Take your pick but the below excerpt is taken from a direct quote written by Special counsel Mueller in the Mueller Report:

    "[T]he purpose of preventing an obstruction of or miscarriage of justice cannot be fully carried out by a simple enumeration of the commonly prosecuted obstruction offenses. There must also be protection against the rare type of conduct that is the product of the inventive criminal mind and which also thwarts justice."
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