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    Justice democrats are the new internal us terrorists

    We have all watched AOC in amazement as she reads the cue cards and checks her scripts , but once off guidelines makes remarkable gaffes and clearly knows very little about politics or economics .A stooge .

    She is a puppet .

    But whom are her masters ?

    She is controlled by the Young Turks who have styled themselves Justice Democrats , and their commander in chief is an ex- Silicon Valley millionaire , Saikat Chakrabarti . Someone whose hero is Subhas Chandra Bose , Ghandi's close associate , but who himself fought for India's freedom on a platform which straddled National Socialism ( the German Nazis ) and Communism ------ his own quote . And Subhas understood the Nazis very well as he lived in Germany with them for a large part of WW2 .

    AOC attended a casting interview before being adopted by the Justice Democrats and as whistleblowers have repeatedly said , prospective candidates are selected as much for their profile suitability as their acceptance of total control once they are adopted .


    Other key figures in these puppet operations are Zack Exley , a known Saul Alinsky disciple , Jenk ( Cenk ) Uygur and Corbin Trent .

    Influence in politics is unavoidable and rightly or wrongly an accepted part of of the US political narrative .

    But will the American people accept puppets being foisted on them who do not represent their districts as purported and serve only to parrot the scripted words of their puppet masters ?
    Will Americans rebel once they are told this truth and fight to ensure that Democracy rises above this horrific amalgam of Nazi and Communist action principles ?

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    AOC is a child, playing her political game for whatever it's worth...If the U.S. can tolerate the hate-monger-in-chief, it can tolerate a child with wild ideas that have a kernel of POSITIVE value. And Christopher stuff your blind stupidity where the sun don't shine.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    [...] And Christopher stuff your blind stupidity where the sun don't shine.
    I don't agree with Christopher's political biases either ─ not to mention that he selectively gets his info from Zero Hedge and other right-wing sources ─ but that's still no reason to be rude, NotAPretender.



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    I don't have an answer for that, Aragorn...


    ok, now I got one...

    You know that it is just plain blatant propaganda speak...Just speaking for me...I do have a tolerance level for it.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    AOC is a child, playing her political game for whatever it's worth...If the U.S. can tolerate the hate-monger-in-chief, it can tolerate a child with wild ideas that have a kernel of POSITIVE value. And Christopher stuff your blind stupidity where the sun don't shine.

    I was just about to reply to your woefully inadequate reply when I saw Aragorn's tempered and polite comment . Appreciated .
    I have commented before on your high level of anger and spite but to little avail apparently .


    So when the German's tolerated the Nazi propaganda, that was OK because apparently it did not interfere with other aspects of their daily lives . Not an argument I would expect to be held seriously .
    Regardless , my beliefs -- which you do not know --- are not germane to the discussion because the Topic is concerned to expose a method of operation based on lies and deceit which-- as it happens -- is openly linked to easy to demonstrate attribution of National Socialist principles -- the very ones adopted by the Third Reich .

    Of course if you think that those sorts of ideas are commendable , you are almost certainly in splendid isolation .
    If on the other hand you wish to comment on the more obviously Communist aspects of the Justice Democrats movement , you need some sort of excuse for the failure of every sort of touted Socialism from ex Soviet states through to present Venezuela .
    Good luck with that .


    And P.S. My OP contained several statements that were offered as factual .
    They were precisely that .
    Facts , not opinions .
    Let alone the silly use of the term , Propaganda .
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    sure thing...
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I don't agree with Christopher's political biases either ─ not to mention that he selectively gets his info from Zero Hedge and other right-wing sources ─ but that's still no reason to be rude, NotAPretender.
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    I find it hilarious that you try to paint Zero Hedge into anything less than it is --- the number one on-line source for planet news with emphasis on political and financial matters .
    Of course it has no bias agenda and frequently slaps Trump and separately what are often assumed to be Trumpet policies or situational slants .

    The likely three moving forces behind ZH are all financially independent and unsponsored .
    If it suits the Left to see them as other wing biased , this just reflects how much that passes for insanity in the world today needs to be put at the feet of practising US Democrats .

    I would love to see if ZH has ever been accused of distributing Fake News which warranted such a claim . Examples please .
    Unlike the rest of the CIA controlled MSM with the part exception of Fox News which is regularly accused of Fake News and with complete justification .

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    There's plenty more, but this is good enough for me. Don't you 'feel' where this is heading.

    In September 2009, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born, U.S.-educated, former hedge-fund trader, who was barred from the securities industry in September 2008 for earning USD 780 from an insider trade by FINRA, as the founder of the site, and reported that "Tyler Durden" was a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski. FINRA rulings show Ivandjiiski worked for 3 years at New York investment bank, Jefferies & Co.,as well a number of hedge funds, the last of which was Wexford Capital LLC, a fund led by former Goldman Sachs traders. One female site contributor, who spoke to New York magazine in an interview arranged by Ivandjiiski, said "up to 40" people could post under the "Tyler Durden" pseudonym. The same New York magazine article, published on the 27 September 2009, stated that Ivandjiiski's father was Krassimir Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian publisher and editor of the website Strogo Sekretno ("Top Secret"), and monthly publication Bulgarian Confidential, since 1994.

    "SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK: NOBLE INVESTMENTS LIMITED vs. KEITH DALRYMPLE VICTORIA DALRYMPLE, DALRYMPLE FINANCE LLC, AND JOHN DOES 1 - 100" (PDF). 27 March 2012. p. 35. Daniel Ivandjiiski
    "BROKER CHECK: DANIEL KRASSIMIROV IVANDJIISKI CRD#: 4445294 BARRED". Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. FINRA has barred this individual from acting as a broker or otherwise associating with a broker-dealer firm.


    "FINRA Bars Two Registered Representatives for Insider Trading". Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. 11 September 2008. In May 2005, Ivandjiiski became employed by another firm, Miller Buckfire & Co. Nevertheless, before the financing deal for Hawaiian Holdings was announced, he obtained confidential documents that his former firm had prepared concerning the impending deal. On March 14, 2006, while in possession of that material, non-public information, Ivandjiiski bought 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings for $4.75 a share. On March 15th, when the new financing was publicly announced, the share price of Hawaiian Holdings increased 6%, to close at $5.30. On March 21, 2006, Ivandjiiski sold his 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings stock for $5.53 per share, for a profit of $780. In settling these matters, neither Kelly nor Ivandjiiski admitted nor denied the charges, but consented to the entry of FINRA's findings

    "[TRANSLATED] Portrait of collaborators, friends and readers". Strogo Sekretno (Bulgarian: Строго секретно; English "Top Secret"). September 2018.

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    Quote Originally posted by Christopher View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I don't agree with Christopher's political biases either ─ not to mention that he selectively gets his info from Zero Hedge and other right-wing sources ─ but that's still no reason to be rude, NotAPretender.
    I find it hilarious that you try to paint Zero Hedge into anything less than it is --- the number one on-line source for planet news with emphasis on political and financial matters .
    The emphasis with red highlighting is mine.





    Source: Wikipedia


    Zero Hedge or ZeroHedge is described as a "markets-focused" blog, that presents both in-house analysis, and analysis from investment banks, hedge funds, and other investment writers and analysts. Zero Hedge, per its motto, is bearish in its investment outlook and analysis, often deriving from its adherence to the Austrian School of economics and credit cycles. While often labeled as a financial permabear, Zero Hedge is also seen as a source of "cutting-edge news, rumors and gossip about the financial industry".

    Zero Hedge expanded into non-financial analysis, where its editorial has been labelled by The New Yorker as being associated with the alt-right, as well as being anti-establishment, conspiratorial, and showing a pro-Russian-bias. Zero Hedge in-house content is posted under the pseudonym "Tyler Durden"; however, the founder and main editor was identified as Daniel Ivandjiiski.

    [...]


    Source: Wikipedia





    I concur with the content of the above-pasted Wikipedia paragraph. So apart from being pro-capitalism and a source of financial news ─ including rumors and gossip, which already makes it unreliable as a news source, even if only with regard to purely financial matters ─ Zero Hedge also publishes op-eds that are strongly aligned with the US American alt-right. This was evidenced also in the articles quoted from Zero Hedge that were posted here at The One Truth as alt-right propaganda by former members turiya and Steven. At one point, I had to immediately close one of those threads because of the hate speech being quoted.

    Op-eds are not news sources. They are someone's vents or rants, made public. And in Zero Hedge's case, the clearly alt-right-biased op-eds are (primarily) those of the very founder of that organization.

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    hello Christopher. I am an American who watches the "Fake News" and sometimes the Young Turks and the proceedings live as a whole. Generally I evaluate the messaging against my own life experience, as I imagine most people do. And I also look at the message itself. And so, even without going to the sources that you are citing, what you seem to be claiming doesn't make sense to me. The progressive message does not equal the message of the Nazi's in my world. Quite the opposite. So I am trying to understand where you are coming from.

    Personally, what I am interested in is the role of emotions in everything. you used the word "terrorist," implying that the JD's are terrorizing you. In my world-view, this is a key, perhaps the key to what is happening on the planet right now. Something about the justice democratic agenda is terrifying. so much so, that it shows up in your world as rooted/masterminded by Nazi's. wow. that certainly would be frightening! I don't mean to sound condescending, though I imagine I do, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a world view that is so very different than mine.

    I guess my question is, does the message *itself* seem terrifying, or does the messages alleged source make the message terrifying? I'm trying to understand what the actual fear *is*. What are you afraid of? cause I am terrified of Nazi's, but I'm not afraid of the justice democrats.
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    Quote Originally posted by starry night View Post
    hello Christopher. I am an American who watches the "Fake News" and sometimes the Young Turks and the proceedings live as a whole. Generally I evaluate the messaging against my own life experience, as I imagine most people do. And I also look at the message itself. And so, even without going to the sources that you are citing, what you seem to be claiming doesn't make sense to me. The progressive message does not equal the message of the Nazi's in my world. Quite the opposite. So I am trying to understand where you are coming from.

    Personally, what I am interested in is the role of emotions in everything. you used the word "terrorist," implying that the JD's are terrorizing you. In my world-view, this is a key, perhaps the key to what is happening on the planet right now. Something about the justice democratic agenda is terrifying. so much so, that it shows up in your world as rooted/masterminded by Nazi's. wow. that certainly would be frightening! I don't mean to sound condescending, though I imagine I do, I'm just trying to wrap my head around a world view that is so very different than mine.
    I guess my question is, does the message *itself* seem terrifying, or does the messages alleged source make the message terrifying? I'm trying to understand what the actual fear *is*. What are you afraid of? cause I am terrified of Nazi's, but I'm not afraid of the justice democrats.
    Great to have the first discerning response and you make good points .
    Let me first deal with those talking about ZH whom as non swimmers are desperately trying to tread water .
    I am a slave to a couple of important phone calls later this evening and tomorrow have work commitments which may take my attention to early evening .
    I will be delighted to then swap views, perhaps opening a decent Chablis to inspire me .

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    Hi Christopher

    It's not often that Brits show such a level of interest in world of US politics, and I'm interested to know more about your fascination with that arena.
    Mind you, I'm making the assumption that you're a Brit ... maybe you're not

    Could you clarify something for me? Are you making the claim that National Socialism was a left wing ideology?

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    That is pretty insightful, starry night...I admire your ability to get beyond the obvious fundamental nonsense...kudos to you...

    Tarka, he is trying to twist the truth beyond recognition a typical rightwing propaganda ploy...it does get tiresome recognizing the deliberate blindness/denial. I just end up asking myself...How! How! How! and Why! Why! Why!
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    There's plenty more, but this is good enough for me. Don't you 'feel' where this is heading.

    In September 2009, news reports identified Daniel Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian-born, U.S.-educated, former hedge-fund trader, who was barred from the securities industry in September 2008 for earning USD 780 from an insider trade by FINRA, as the founder of the site, and reported that "Tyler Durden" was a pseudonym for Ivandjiiski. FINRA rulings show Ivandjiiski worked for 3 years at New York investment bank, Jefferies & Co.,as well a number of hedge funds, the last of which was Wexford Capital LLC, a fund led by former Goldman Sachs traders. One female site contributor, who spoke to New York magazine in an interview arranged by Ivandjiiski, said "up to 40" people could post under the "Tyler Durden" pseudonym. The same New York magazine article, published on the 27 September 2009, stated that Ivandjiiski's father was Krassimir Ivandjiiski, a Bulgarian publisher and editor of the website Strogo Sekretno ("Top Secret"), and monthly publication Bulgarian Confidential, since 1994.

    "SUPREME COURT OF THE STATE OF NEW YORK: NOBLE INVESTMENTS LIMITED vs. KEITH DALRYMPLE VICTORIA DALRYMPLE, DALRYMPLE FINANCE LLC, AND JOHN DOES 1 - 100" (PDF). 27 March 2012. p. 35. Daniel Ivandjiiski
    "BROKER CHECK: DANIEL KRASSIMIROV IVANDJIISKI CRD#: 4445294 BARRED". Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. FINRA has barred this individual from acting as a broker or otherwise associating with a broker-dealer firm.


    "FINRA Bars Two Registered Representatives for Insider Trading". Financial Industry Regulatory Authority. 11 September 2008. In May 2005, Ivandjiiski became employed by another firm, Miller Buckfire & Co. Nevertheless, before the financing deal for Hawaiian Holdings was announced, he obtained confidential documents that his former firm had prepared concerning the impending deal. On March 14, 2006, while in possession of that material, non-public information, Ivandjiiski bought 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings for $4.75 a share. On March 15th, when the new financing was publicly announced, the share price of Hawaiian Holdings increased 6%, to close at $5.30. On March 21, 2006, Ivandjiiski sold his 1,000 shares of Hawaiian Holdings stock for $5.53 per share, for a profit of $780. In settling these matters, neither Kelly nor Ivandjiiski admitted nor denied the charges, but consented to the entry of FINRA's findings

    "[TRANSLATED] Portrait of collaborators, friends and readers". Strogo Sekretno (Bulgarian: Строго секретно; English "Top Secret"). September 2018.- wiki - and references.

    Oh dear . What a horrible mess , PAL .
    Apart from the fact that everything you mention is totally known and 'old hat' , let's move to the the real world .

    The key initial figures , which might have been three , are likely millionaire ex hedge fund owners .
    And their experience was and remains their key motivation for setting up the most successful daily on- line commentary on world events with a clear emphasis on economic and financial issues .
    They had watched and experienced in full detail the way the Establishment manipulates markets --- and still does -- .and vowed to become Whistleblowers .Very quickly they became feared by the Intel agencies and their main puppets Bloomberg and WSJ , which whined and screamed like stuck pigs .
    And that's your problem PAL , you have not the remotest idea what you are talking about --- effectively either regurgitating Wiki and / or effectively quoting Copy and Paste jobs from those whose task it is to spread disinformation and invent misinformation .

    ZH near decimated Bloomberg and later as ZH moved into political commentary they made it instantly obvious how third rate and dishonest WSJ is in so many areas --- now rated along with sources like Wa Po and CNN as utterly Fake and totally under the control of the Intel Agencies . But people like you think Wiki is sacrosanct .
    Anybody can edit those pages . And they do . All the time .

    It is clear from the way that you approached this matter , PAL , that you have no working knowledge or experience of ZH or market dealing .
    You have just run to Wiki and equivalents imagining that you are receiving facts and the Truth .
    Not good enough , PAL .
    Research is done over years and not in 10 minutes . Aragorn is guilty of the same but it was more expected given his now famous comment that he knows lots about Farrell's work despite never having read a single book of his .

    Come on chaps .
    If you want to be effective , at least get to search out the truth .
    Your Posts are like those we see daily on that fabulous site , Before It's News .
    Great fun but drivel and dribble .

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    old hat...when did extant reality become old hat? Oh yeah, it was long before ZeroHedge started feeding at the trough of money and brain matter draining from the ostensible ab/normal masses.

    I know nothing about ZH, I don't need to...I can smell a scam through my computer... An even better measure are those that indulge in it.

    And there's another example...Once upon a time I read the WSJ. And I intuitively knew that it was becoming a propaganda tool when The False Prophet got close to it. It lost all credibility long ago... Much like all the other B*llShit right wing rags. For God's sake...We live in a multi-dimensional reality.


    The False Prophet... a.k.a. Rupert Murdoch...the Australian that purposefully set out to destroy everything that was holy in the western world.

    And if the blatant depravity of Trump hadn't finally given the clueless a heads up, he might have succeeded. Don't you see, even with the Deep State and the P.T.B. fighting along with the psychically blind there are not enough forces on the dark side to win out.

    Oh, and one other thing...Do you really believe that I would spend any quality time investigating a counter-argument to nonsense. A nonsensical argument deserves a disordered mess of a response at best...most times I would have just laughed to myself, but you are a persistent one...
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