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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    Well...part of me is with you Chris, I understand how mocking the crimes does in a way legitimize the actions of those with power in the spotlight, I went through a long of phase of turning from hero-worshipping Jon Stewart to seeing him as among the worst part of the problem, perpetuating and legitimizing who I thought were the bad guys.

    These days I’m of the mind that the Kodys and Colberts are positive, bringing good points to the surface in an entertaining way, stuff that would other get buried in the non stop avalanche of “information” we are constantly bombarded with.

    But as far as “real” issues you are talking about like high level child trafficking, there’s NO way for any of us to get any “real” information without befriending and totally trusting victims or literally physically embedding ourselves in that dark world somehow.

    The only “real” information are the words we hear/see them say and occasionally pieces of actions they do or documents they sign. It’s important to recognize the emotions they evoke and how/if they actually square with the reality we inhabit
    Information is being suppressed. Just look at Jimmy Savile, Ted Heath, etc... cases in the UK. The media had an active role in burying stories, with a few notable exceptions. I once attended a Rally Against Child Abuse in London. David Icke was a speaker there, but there were many others. I personally spoke to people who were victims of SRA. They made documentaries about it (which were never released), there were plenty of witnesses, but all the information is being suppressed. I haven't heard a peep from the mainstream media since the Jimmy Savile thing died down. They sure got away with that one. Brexit must be a blessing for them, since nobody talks about anything else in the UK these days. Same thing with Trump, that's what people turn their attention to, instead of the really important stuff. I guess that's a deliberate distraction tactic and they must be delighted how the people have already forgotten about the armies of skeletons in the closet.

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    Quote Originally posted by donk View Post
    Does Clinton family wrong doing somehow justify Trump family doing the same or worse to you Q-peeps?

    Ivanka’s emails (or the fact she has job in White House) and Trump’s foundation (and multiple business he should have divested from when elected) are somehow meaningless but what Clinton’s continues to threaten our country? It’s beyond bizarre

    Saw a funny meme today on the Book: Trump should build his wall out of Hillary’s emails, cuz no one can get over them

    Sure hope the oompa-loompa in chief saves us all instead of getting frog marched out of the Oval Office like it’s looking like he should
    Hey donk, I do believe I had already addressed this previously when it was brought up - Post #180 - on the now closed Aianawa's thread called Q !!!!!!! Park Here.

    I think you may have taken a lunch break, or something or other, possibly on a sabbatical?

    Anyways, since you were not privy to the first posting of this, I will provide you with the two articles that I referenced to with regards to this subject.
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    The distinctions are made clear enough...


    Opinion
    3 big distinctions between Ivanka Trump and Hillary Clinton's email conduct
    by Tom Rogan
    November 20, 2018 12:26 PM

    Ivanka Trump's use of a Trump Organization personal email account to conduct White House business was ill-advised and against federal records rules. But it is utterly absurd to suggest, as many are doing, that Ivanka Trump's conduct here is similar to Hillary Clinton's use of a private email system.

    First off, there is no evidence that Trump sent any classified emails over her server. The Washington Post, which broke the Trump email story, reports that Trump's team has strongly denied that she transmitted any classified information over the private system. That stands in stark contrast to then-Secretary of State Clinton's use of her private system. As my colleague Tiana Lowe notes, Clinton's claim that she transmitted no classified information was absurdly untrue. Indeed, the FBI investigation into Clinton's conduct found that of the 110 classified emails that Clinton sent, 8 were classified at the Top Secret level. (Emphasis is mine.)

    Second, the Washington Post reports that less than 100 government-related emails were ever sent by Trump on her private account. Nor is there evidence that Trump deleted any government emails on her server. That stands in stark contrast to Secretary Clinton, who forensically wiped her private server of more than 30,000 emails. These deleted emails, which Clinton's legal team claims were not work related, were unrecoverable except for a number of Clinton emails that were found on Anthony Weiner's computer. And those newly found emails were found to include classified material. That's relevant because it suggests at least some of the other unrecoverable 30,000+ emails that Clinton deleted also included classified material.

    That gives the lie to the Clinton legal team's claim that all of her deleted emails were personal. It's more evidence of Clinton's capricious conduct.

    Third, the risks of foreign intelligence gain from Trump's email account are far lower than with Clinton. Where Clinton held a position at the top of the U.S. national security and diplomatic establishment, Trump is in a role that pertains to domestic affairs. Yes, foreign intelligence services would be interested in any Trump emails relating to personal dynamics and policy deliberations in the White House. Still, the prospective measure of their gain here would be inherently limited.

    Ivanka Trump's email would likely have been targeted at least a year before Donald Trump became president: Once they saw the prospect of Donald Trump entering the Oval Office, hostile foreign intelligence services would likely have sought access to the Trump Organization's servers in a fishing expedition for valuable information. Crucially, however, Ivanka Trump would have been warned early that this effort was likely. In the context of the Clinton email scandal, it thus seems unlikely that Trump would have been so stupid as to send government emails over private servers after January 2017.

    Put simply, the respective evidence and indications here are clear. Clinton's use of a private email system was capricious, damaging to national security, and on a massive scale. Trump's use of a private email system was simply arrogant and careless. That's not at all the same thing. (Emphasis is mine.)
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    Alan Dershowitz: Criticism of Ivanka Trump's private email use is 'hypocrisy on parade'
    by Naomi Lim
    November 20, 2018 11:33 AM

    Harvard Law School professor emeritus Alan Dershowitz said White House adviser and first daughter Ivanka Trump should be saved from scrutiny over her use of a private email account for government business, shooting down criticism as hypocritical "partisan bickering."

    "I think it’s hypocrisy on parade," Dershowitz said during an interview Tuesday on Fox News' "America's Newsroom" program. "Each side uses whatever arguments they can to help and bolster their partisan position."

    The Washington Post reported Monday that Trump used a personal Microsoft email account with an “ijkfamily.com” domain to communicate hundreds of times with fellow White House aides, Cabinet officials, and others about official government business, including policy work, in some cases violating federal records rules.

    But Dershowitz shrugged off the story Tuesday as a "nonissue," saying "everybody uses private emails."

    "We now have a list of probably a dozen people in public life who have used emails," Dershowitz said. "Apparently Ivanka Trump used the emails only for scheduling purposes. There was no classified material. The emails are all preserved. It's a nonissue.

    It’s just partisan bickering. We should not be criminalizing the use of private emails, whether by Hillary Clinton or by Ivanka Trump, and we should put that issue behind us."


    Source: Washington Examiner
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    Since this is a thread (the now defunct Q !!!!!!! Park Here thread) to post Q related posts ('bread crumbs'), Dave of X22Report.com is suggesting that the reason why Ivanka & her email use is being pushed into the forefront by the Mockingbird Main Stream Media (MSM), a.k.a. the Propaganda Arm of the Deep State, is that the Deep State is focusing on this particular issue in preparation of the forthcoming DECLAS of the FISA evidence by the 'new' Acting Attorney General Matt Whitaker.

    As per Q Post #2478....

    And, Q Post #2261...

    Simply 'watching' an approaching storm - the watching of it - doesn't have any bias attached to it. Only when mind gets involved, does a division, with a bias, occur. That's what mind is good at doing - creating division - dissecting, analyzing, dividing & categorizing. Divisions occur when mind gets involved. Putting the mind aside & it becomes more clear that 'We the People' are not divided, but are One. That's what meditation is all about.

    The wind may blow, as with opinionated statements, allegations & with psychological projections. But, if one keeps their feet firmly planted on the ground of their own being, remaining unswayed by what others say, one will not subject themselves to being blown around and/or thrown over by what is said by others.

    Like wind that blows through the branches of a tree. The trunk of the tree does not move.

    Remain firmly rooted in your own convictions. And, in simply watching the approaching storm, will not be a disturbance, whatsoever. The wind may howl, it may not blow in the direction that you would like, it may even sound threatening, but it will not affect the center of one's own being.

    Its good to carry an anchor around with you to keep yourself from being blown over. And, that anchor can also be called 'awareness'.

    Having plenty of :Popcorn: on hand, can be helpful in enjoying the show.
    Cheers...

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    Q tells us D-day is approaching for corrupt people in Washington.
    Qanon December 20 - D Day
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    The Plan is Working... by Wayne Jett
    THEIR PLAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN...
    PURE EVIL -- Wayne Jett

    (Dec 18, 2018)

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djJTbrF3Rx0

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    • This may be one of the most powerful, informative interviews ever on SGT Report. Wayne Jett is not only an accomplished author, he's a brilliant historian and Patriot. Wayne explains that the plans of the controlling "elite" are absolutely pure evil, and long ago captured US Presidents going all the way back to Wilson and Roosevelt. Jett explains that President Donald Trump is indeed in a war against this international cartel, and it's a war we must win... if humanity is to survive.
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    Reason for Treason...
    Anons Were Right,16 Year Plan Stopped,
    Full Control, PANIC - Episode 1747b

    (Dec 21, 2018)

    Q Post #2640....

    Link #1:
    Hillary Clinton Twitter....

    Link #2:

    Editorials
    Obama's Military Coup Purges 197 Officers In Five Years
    10/29/2013 <===

    Defense: What the president calls "my military" is being cleansed of any officer suspected of disloyalty to or disagreement with the administration on matters of policy or force structure, leaving the compliant and fearful.

    We recognize President Obama is the commander-in-chief and that throughout history presidents from Lincoln to Truman have seen fit to remove military commanders they view as inadequate or insubordinate. Turnover in the military ranks is normal, and in these times of sequestration and budget cuts the numbers are expected to tick up as force levels shrink and missions change.

    Yet what has happened to our officer corps since President Obama took office is viewed in many quarters as unprecedented, baffling and even harmful to our national security posture. We have commented on some of the higher profile cases, such as Gen. Carter Ham. He was relieved as head of U.S. Africa Command after only a year and a half because he disagreed with orders not to mount a rescue mission in response to the Sept. 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi.

    Rear Adm. Chuck Gaouette, commander of the John C. Stennis Carrier Strike Group, was relieved in October 2012 for disobeying orders when he sent his group on Sept. 11 to "assist and provide intelligence for" military forces ordered into action by Gen. Ham.

    Other removals include the sacking of two nuclear commanders in a single week — Maj. Gen. Michael Carey, head of the 20th Air Force, responsible for the three wings that maintain control of the 450 intercontinental ballistic missiles, and Vice Adm. Tim Giardina, the No. 2 officer at U.S. Strategic Command.

    From Breitbart.com's Facebook page comes a list of at least 197 officers that have been relieved of duty by President Obama for a laundry list of reasons and sometimes with no reason given. Stated grounds range from "leaving blast doors on nukes open" to "loss of confidence in command ability" to "mishandling of funds" to "inappropriate relationships" to "gambling with counterfeit chips" to "inappropriate behavior" to "low morale in troops commanded."

    Nine senior commanding generals have been fired by the Obama administration this year, leading to speculation by active and retired members of the military that a purge of its commanders is under way.

    Retired U.S. Army Maj. Gen. Paul Vallely, an outspoken critic of the Obama administration, notes how the White House fails to take action or investigate its own officials but finds it easy to fire military commanders "who have given their lives for their country." Vallely thinks he knows why this purge is happening.

    "Obama will not purge a civilian or political appointee because they have bought into Obama's ideology," Vallely said. "The White House protects their own. That's why they stalled on the investigation into Fast and Furious, Benghazi and ObamaCare. He's intentionally weakening and gutting our military, Pentagon and reducing us as a superpower, and anyone in the ranks who disagrees or speaks out is being purged."

    Another senior retired general told TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity, because he still provide services to the government and fears possible retribution, that "they're using the opportunity of the shrinkage of the military to get rid of people that don't agree with them or do not toe the party line. Remember, as (former White House chief of staff) Rahm Emanuel said, never waste a crisis."

    For President Obama, the military of a once-feared superpower is an anachronistic vestige of an America whose exceptionalism and world leadership require repeated apologies. It must be gutted and fundamentally transformed into a force wearing gender-neutral headgear only useful for holding the presidential umbrella when it rains. It is to be "his" military and used only for "his" purposes.

    SOURCE
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    Q Post #1306....

    Nothing can stop what is coming...

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    Another stage-facet to waking added to the evolving human being ?, maybe.

    Her is a wee bit more .


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    Been two weeks, maybe the Q park thread could be seen reopened as a xmas pressy ?.

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    There's already a dedicated thread for Trump devotees, a dedicated thread for Q devotees, and the two regularly intermingle. Does the beaming magnificence of this latest internet sensation run so deep and wide that it requires even more elbow room on this tiny forum?
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    There's already a dedicated thread for Trump devotees, a dedicated thread for Q devotees, and the two regularly intermingle. Does the beaming magnificence of this latest internet sensation run so deep and wide that it requires even more elbow room on this tiny forum?

    The distinction is that whether the thread is Qanon based, or whether the thread is Trump based, both the threads are found within the 'Conspiracy' category of the forum. The threads that were based on Trump news & Qanon news have both been closed.

    It is perfectly understood that there are a number of TOT staff & members that would cherish keeping the truth about what is going on with both Q & the Trump presidency to be kept in some dark corner of the forum.

    And it is also noted that the fear of bringing the news of these out into the light may run counter to what some may like, but sometimes reality does that to those that like to live in a kind of fictitious dreamworld setting - never having to deal with the seemingly harsh reality that comes with something they would rather not face. In that regard, 'BELIEF' often times 'Trumps' REALITY (pun intended).

    The decision & the choice to live as such, of course, is entirely yours (as being part of TOT Admin) to make. I would, however, point out that doing so, has The One Truth, TOT, being more obviously divided into TWO.

    In calling a spade a spade... Renaming the forum may be the more appropriate thing to do in near future... ==> TTT, The Three Truths ==> Your Truth, My Truth & THE TRUTH.

    Just saying...
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    Unsure Fred but many were or some were coming here to read the Q Park thread, something somewhere between 700 n 1000 hits since being closed means it was visited and more frequently before closing, we all have indeed choices Turiya, n holding hands with Moddy or simply letting it go are options, many truths make a noosphere n one created it and one may demise it, ultimately love wins, in not many years Trump - Putin - Q n Co - and even Putrids n Weres will be a thing of the past, that reality is the highest now potential n that's tears flowed proven imo n experience.

    Imo this Shire is far more important than many believe or dream, it imo is the imagine clock on the worlds kitchen wall keeping time n sling.

    https://jandeane81.com/showthread.ph...rk-Here/page27

    5000 TH post , nice

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    There's already a dedicated thread for Trump devotees, a dedicated thread for Q devotees, and the two regularly intermingle. Does the beaming magnificence of this latest internet sensation run so deep and wide that it requires even more elbow room on this tiny forum?
    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Unsure Fred but many were or some were coming here to read the Q Park thread, something somewhere between 700 n 1000 hits since being closed means it was visited and more frequently before closing,...
    Well Vern I can't speak to the numbers as I'm here to talk to people, not keep count of how many people/bots/crawlers/whatever are visiting threads I'm involved in.

    Having said that, what you say above DOES once again confirm that what's going on here (and elsewhere) is much more about proselytizing this hot new religion, than talking to others in a normal conversation about something of deep interest.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Thankyou Fred, yes many see Q as the next religion and lets go there shall we, choice ?, do we get a choice believing in Q ?, are we allowed to leave ?, can we disagree ?, Can one stop following or investigating or researching themselves ?, if we pay anything n even if it is just our time and then leave it n let it go without looking back to see fists raised ?, is there sacrifice or abuse known ?, mmmmm what else, is the source sayin they be god or the destroyer or do not research n do what your told ?, are the theys of Q n Co telling all to o kill the others ?, sure there is more.

    Have said this before, Trump imo will not be even getting the chance of a second term, that's my feeling atm.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Thankyou Fred, yes many see Q as the next religion and lets go there shall we, choice ?,
    Alrighty then Vern, let's take your points and concerns one by one:

    - do we get a choice believing in Q ?
    Choice can be a tricky word at times. Using Christianity as an example, most adherents are there either because they fear the threat of eternal damnation; or, as is more pertinent to here and now, they want the assurance that some larger power is in charge of the chaos they see around them. I suppose that could be called making a choice, but it could also be called a compulsion to find a way to ease the worried mind.

    - are we allowed to leave ?
    Sure, of course, but there again the adherent's worried mind is once again left out in the cold all on it's own.

    - can we disagree ?
    Again, sure you can disagree, but I sure haven't seen many Q adherents disagreeing with the drops; quite to the contrary, I see incredible displays of mental gymnastics in order to make sense of many the mystery shrouded messages and unfulfilled predictions.

    - Can one stop following or investigating or researching themselves ?
    There again adherents are free to leave the order, but the worried mind is left back out in the cold, all alone.

    - if we pay anything n even if it is just our time and then leave it n let it go without looking back to see fists raised ?
    Well first off I have yet to see ANY letting go of this thing LOL, it's all pedal to the metal baby!

    So far as raised fists are concerned, hasn't that been addressed? Adherents have a Trump thread and a Q thread all to themselves. I'm pretty much the only outsider that butts in every now and zen but it's with legitimate critiques and/or questions, not a raised fist. Aragorn was the biggest critic of all, and when is the last time he said a thing here? I know full well it aggravates the shit out of him, but he's giving you guys a wide berth to do your thing. Haven't you noticed?

    - is there sacrifice or abuse known ?
    No, but there's been no accusation of that either. Come on man.

    - mmmmm what else, is the source sayin they be god or the destroyer or do not research n do what your told ?
    I would say this source has themselves a mighty fine case of God Complex, and this god, his end goal, is salvation through mass arrests and military tribunals of all political enemies. The only research I see, yet again, is the mental gymnastics research done only to prove that everything about Q is 100% legitimate. And lastly Q doesn't need to tell adherents what to do, the flock falls neatly into parade formation all on their own.

    - are the theys of Q n Co telling all to o kill the others ?
    No, but with an *asterick* attached to that answer. With ultimate power somehow achieved, I can easily see this movement turning into a lynch mob.

    Now going back to briefly re-touch on your concern about the Q thread not being readily able for public view because of it's placement in the "Conspiracy Research" section:

    Do you know that for the longest time I didn't even know what section that big Q thread was in over at PA? Why would I have needed to? It was, and almost always still is, one of the current topics screen right in "New Forum Posts". As a matter of fact I had to jot over there just now to double check and sure enough, it's in the "Conspiracy" section over there too.

    Have you noticed this Q thread is almost always in "New Forum Posts" here as well? In all honesty I didn't even know what section it was in here because I didn't need to, it's always right there. If people out there want to come here to see Q's latest, all they need to do is pop onto TOT's front page...

    And this is pretty much the only reason I'm even in this thread again Vern, because it seems that wasn't good enough for you, you wanted to have another Q thread piled on top of the thread that was already there all the damn time! And I was like "geez, that's pushing it again".

    And this is a Q trademark in alt media: it's in your face all the time, and it always wants more...
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post

    And this is a Q trademark in alt media: it's in your face all the time, and it always wants more...
    Which is why I, 100%, absolutely agree with this statement…

    No, but with an *asterick* attached to that answer. With ultimate power somehow achieved, I can easily see this movement turning into a lynch mob.
    when the blatantly obvious MO of one power-over agenda to check mate a competing power-over agenda is to fuck with highly charged emotions of the masses you are playing with a fire you may think you are controlling but you are highly likely dead wrong!!

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