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    With special thanks to Bill Ryan of Project Avalon for the link to this article.





    Source: The Freedom Articles


    ~ Unraveling the QAnon Hoax ~





    The QAnon, Q-Anon or Q phenomenon which started around October 2017 managed to attract a large amount of die-hard followers who hung on Q’s every word. However, 1.5 years later, we have enough clues to see who was really behind the whole thing, which now appears to be over. There were many clues that QAnon was a psy-op, including his blatant support of regime change in Iran (right in line with the Zionist NWO agenda), his insistence that rabid warmonger and neocon John Bolton was cleaning up Washington and his praise for current US President Donald Trump who has dropped more bombs and fired more missiles than Obama.



    QAnon Praises Neocon Warmongers

    Whitney Webb wrote in this June 2018 MintPressNews article:

    “The reality constructed by QAnon has ultimately unfolded much like a fictitious spy novel, one that details a “secret” counter-coup by the Trump administration against the so-called “Deep State” that Trump – in reality — has dutifully served ever since winning the 2016 election. Despite QAnon’s having been proven wrong repeatedly, its following remains large and the phenomenon itself remains influential.

    Robert Martin, a documentary filmmaker whose series “A Very Heavy Agenda” delves into the nefarious political influence of the neoconservatives, told MintPress that QAnon is the “perfect wish-fulfillment conspiracy snowball” aimed at conservatives, adding that it has worked to “rehabilitate some of the most tarnished and scary neocons to all of a sudden be heroic figures.””




    Jason Bermas’ Interview with Defango and Dreamcatcher

    In this January 2019 interview, Jason Bermas (producer of documentaries such as Fabled Enemies) interviews 2 men who go by “Defango” and “Dreamcatcher.” They claim they started Q as a LARP (Live Action Role Playing) game which sprung from Cicada 3301, a group that constructs very difficult-to-solve puzzles. Dreamcatcher admits that, at the start, he was “shitposting” just to see what would stick and, to his surprise, the QAnon phenomenon took off like no other LARP before it had. Both Defango and Dreamcatcher refer to another person who posted as Q known as “Microchip” who they say took trips to Israel. They speculate that he may be connected with the notorious Israeli spy agency, the Mossad.





    What About the Sealed Indictments?

    QAnon supporters will point to PACER (Public Access to Court Electronic Records, the US nationwide database of court records for Appellate, District and Bankruptcy courts) as proof that not all of Q’s posts were without substance. However, the presence of an increase of sealed files itself is not evidence. We don’t know what’s in these sealed files. They may be arrest warrants or they may be something far less serious. As this article states:

    “Essentially, the number #QAnon is using is factually correct, but leaves out vital context that explains that relatively few of the 1,077 are actual criminal indictments. Most are routine court matters …A random sampling of these files showed 83 percent of sealed magistrate cases to be warrant applications or tracking devices. They are NOT indictments, but #QAnon’s number includes them anyway.”



    QAnon Phenomenon Explained: Cryptic Clues, Cult Following, Gamification

    This Corbett Report podcast explains how society is being gamified as a way to lure us into surveilling ourselves and giving over our data to the Corporatocracy and Big Gov. Examples are the Pokemon app a few years back and the Chinese Sesame Credit system. Look how QAnon worked. It consisted of dropping some real info to build credibility and attract a cult following, all the while propagating cryptic clues (as is Cicada 3301’s specialty) rather than just spelling out the facts (and proving it with documents) as genuine whistleblowers like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden do. This led to countless hours being wasted on a game and puzzle of no importance when more pressing matters that require activist attention went unnoticed.



    Who Endorsed QAnon?

    Early on, Alex Jones jumped aboard the QAnon bandwagon by devoting a lot of attention and airtime (and employing Jerome Corsi) in analyzing Q’s cryptic threads. However, Jones’ credibility has been in question for a very long time now over his failure to grasp the issue of Zionism (whether deliberately or not), plus the way he has gone off the rails and has devoted his headlines to how Trump and Republicans are good, and how Democrats, Muslims and immigrants are bad, no matter what, end of story. Many people have used Alex Jones and InfoWars to start their awakening process, only to quickly move beyond his very limited and partisan perspectives. Anyone who simplistically believes that one political party is “good” and the other “bad” has fallen very deeply for the fake left-right paradigm.





    David Wilcock’s Damaged Street Cred

    In this recent interview, David Wilcock stated he believed that there was something to the QAnon phenomenon. For his part, Wilcock has over the years also lost a lot of street credibility with his staunch support for Obama, who turned out to be a wolf in sheep’s clothing (read about the top 10 lowlights of the Obama legacy here). Wilcock has thrown his weight behind Corey Goode and his stories of the Blue Avian ETs, a phenomenon which remains to be corroborated, since of the tens or hundreds of thousands of other ET abductees and contactees around the world, no one else to my knowledge has ever spoken of “blue avian” aliens apart from Goode (some other SPP [Secret Space Program] whistleblowers like Tony Rodrigues believe him however). Wilcock also foolishly led a lot of people up the garden path on a road to nowhere by teaming up with Benjamin Fulford (and a mysterious, anonymous “Drake” character) around 2011-2012 to propagate the idea that “mass arrests of the Illumunati are imminent” and that there’s nothing we have to do other sit back and watch it happen. We’re all going to be saved. Hmm-hmm. Nothing of the sort ever happened.

    Does the QAnon phenomenon contain the same sort of embedded psychology when it advocates that we just need to sit back and “trust the plan” that mass arrests or incarcerations will occur due to the “sealed indictments”?



    Save Me! Save Me!

    This idea that we can all be lazy and complacent while some white hat, good guy group comes out of nowhere to take down the bad guys is absurd. A study of history shows us that it is extremely rare for one group to overthrow another and then to voluntarily relinquish the reins of power to hand it back to the masses. It happens occasionally, but it is not the norm. We have to be vigilant when we come across movements that promise such a thing, for it could very well be a trick to exploit the part of human psychology that wants to hope, to believe and to be saved without doing any of the grunt work that it takes to be free.



    QAnon is Over

    The QAnon phenomenon appears to be over for now. So what lessons can be learned from it? QAnon was a distraction and a puzzle that kept people entertained and engaged in digging for clues or solving mysteries of no importance while real injustices deserving of attention were ignored. As Whitney Webb wrote, “trust the plan” was just the sequel to “hope and change” to suck us into a hope-rollercoaster that goes nowhere. How can Trump really be fighting the “Deep State” (Shadow Government/NWO) when the NWO is nonpartisan? How can Trump be fighting the Deep State or “draining the swamp” when he has surrounded himself with swamp-dwellers and swamp-critters, such as Goldman Sachs and Rothschild-affiliated agents, Zionists and generals?

    The QAnon phenomenon has shown that many people still lack the discernment to be able to separate truth, hoax, psy-op and other forms of disinfo from each other. It’s difficult because truth is never just served up on a silver platter and there are times when you have to follow your intuition in the absence of hard evidence. Swinging to one extreme and demanding hard, material proof for everything will limit your perspective, as will swinging to the other extreme by believing any fairy tale that comes along.

    Hopefully this will act us a wake-up call to those who fell for it. Ultimately, the truth is out there and I believe we all the capacity to resonate with it and see through the lies … but it requires hard work, wide reading, critical thought, measuring different perspectives in your mind and an ability to see general patterns amidst all the detail.


    Source: The Freedom Articles
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    Joking

    Between Benjamin Fulford, David Wilcock, Cory Goode, and even Bill Ryan himself ...
    The Alternative forum community has truly suffered a big one ...


    PS - special mention (s) to Paul (the administrator of PA) for keeping all the BS flowing ...

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    It made good sense to have Paul on one side and Bill on other, they Culled the passionate ones like Kiwielf though first, proof of Hoax not being helped by the huge amount of energy that weres put into Q n Trump Narrative.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    It made good sense to have Paul on one side and Bill on other, they Culled the passionate ones like Kiwielf though first, proof of Hoax not being helped by the huge amount of energy that weres put into Q n Trump Narrative.
    Yes lots of tag teaming over there at PA ...

    Scientology at its finest !

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    It made good sense to have Paul on one side and Bill on other, they Culled the passionate ones like Kiwielf though first, proof of Hoax not being helped by the huge amount of energy that weres put into Q n Trump Narrative.
    I don't think it would be correct to shove the blame for the success of the QAnon hoax off on The Powers That Be™, Vern. That's a cheap shot. The real blame ─ and thus, the responsibility ─ rests with this so-called alternative community itself. Too many people were allowing themselves to be blinded by it ─ yourself included.

    The truly scary part of it in my own purview is that these QAnon and Trump fans don't seem to realize that they were essentially all cheering for fascism. There's a thread over at Project Avalon, started by former moderator Dennis Leahy, as an inquiry on how the members there feel about socialism, and it is simply mind-boggling how the vast majority of the members who've been posting on that thread is completely brainwashed in favor of capitalism without being able to see that capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism and thus to fascism, not to mention that none of them even seem to understand that the financial-economical society model is based upon artificial scarcity, and thus that it is by definition evil ─ not exactly something a truly alternative community is supposed to support.

    The vast majority of those people doesn't even know what fascism is. They think it's synonymous with the Nazi uniform and the swastika. But Nazism was only one form of fascism ─ and most specifically, it was Adolf Hitler's form of fascism. Fascism is what you get when any given society is in truth ruled by the corporations, with the politicians only being sock puppets for the corporate world. And fascism is also big on nationalism, militarism and machismo ─ all three of which are more ostensibly represented in the USA than in any other nation on the planet.

    So with all of those people supporting a closet fascist like Donald Trump and his supposedly military fanboys of the QAnon group, it's not looking good on account of the consciousness level within this so-called alternative community.

    But hey, I've been saying this for ages already, and nobody wants to listen when I say it. No, I was accused of censorship, of "stifling freedom of speech" and of "suppressing vital information". Yes, Sir. I'm the Big Bad Admin™ and I have to keep my mouth shut, because ─ or so I've been told again only two days ago ─ I let my ego cloud my judgment. Right.

    So if I'm not allowed to speak the truth ─ because freedom of speech seems to pertain only to the advocates of hate speech, not to people who would rather have everyone behave in a civilized manner, or to people who manage a forum ─ then the only thing I can still do is sit back and watch you guys ram your stubborn heads right into that wall yet another time. And the sad part is that within two weeks, you'll all have forgotten about this umpteenth fiasco again, and you will already be prepping yourselves again for when the next hoaxer comes along. Because that's how it works within this so-called alternative community.

    On the upside, I'm glad that not everyone at The One Truth was cheering for the fascists, and that as staff members, we were able to stay on top of it. It did take a lot of effort and a lot of patience ─ you guys really have no idea ─ and perhaps I should have brought that ban hammer out a little sooner, but at least we were able to keep it contained. There is no place for Sauron or Saruman in the Shire, and Orcs should go back to Mordor, where they belong.




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    AND Vern (Frodo): There is goodness in your heart...worth fighting for!
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    The closed eyes are what depress me the most. I see it first hand.

    The boogeyman of socialism keeps peoples' eyes off what's going on.

    Being disaffected from the system helps the fascists as well because there's no resistance.

    The Christian element is very dangerous. When people believe you're evil, they will do many awful things to you.

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    I think we are all evolving here and I'm happy that some people have learnt a valuable lesson with the unravelling of the Qanon hoax. I was also taken in by similar hoaxes in the past, so I don't feel all high and mighty that I've managed to dodge this one. To my eternal shame, I have at different points been taken in by the alt-right, the Islamophobia brigade, my own PM, Viktor Orban, Alex Jones and his croneys, David Wilcock and Even Corey Goode. Apparently, my critical thinking and bullshite detection faculties need some further honing.

    I think the forum staff on The One Truth needs to be given special credit and recognition for keeping a level head during these trying times and containing some pretty damaging proto-fascist movements and tendencies from taking hold here. You guys really did a good job and I'm personally very grateful for all that you have done. Sauron has been kicked back to Mordor once again


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    Christian element is very dangerous. I see evil...but then I live in what my dear old daddy use to call...assbackwards world. I've been fighting the 'alternative' crowd since I was first exposed to 'alternative' thinking...been called everything in the book but my favorite has always been 'asleep'. I always considered that a joke because when I actually tried to talk reality with a little imagination thrown in most times what I got in return was huh?. If one got past huh, it turned to sheeple, out of contact with reality, gatekeeper (I"m still trying to figure out what the hell that means). One very enlightened human being once said he couldn't believe after how long I had been around that I still hadn't learned anything. It was after some reflection that I realized that I had been 'living' his notion of 'learning' for 50 years. But I'm not bitter, hell no I'm not bitter (Written to the tune of John Wayne in McLintock)

    I do know what you mean by that, Chris, but in a very real sense it is a rite of passage...we do learn though. I must have missed some shenanigans as of late because I hadn't noticed anything extraordinarily ridiculous going on. But it is a bit tedious when you know what the next post from a given individual will be. How about a little originality and some display of thinking that isn't obviously the result of legitimate brainwashing.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I think we are all evolving here and I'm happy that some people have learnt a valuable lesson with the unravelling of the Qanon hoax. I was also taken in by similar hoaxes in the past, so I don't feel all high and mighty that I've managed to dodge this one. To my eternal shame, I have at different points been taken in by the alt-right, the Islamophobia brigade, my own PM, Viktor Orban, Alex Jones and his croneys, David Wilcock and Even Corey Goode. Apparently, my critical thinking and bullshite detection faculties need some further honing.

    Yes, this little diddy has manifested several times in various forms. It can be difficult to ID as such but the similarities are there. The REAL challenge there, however, is to not necessarily connect the dots but to begin to see how and where I”M aligned within myself with nefarious, unloving forces “out there”. Annnnd, if so, why.....

    That's one part of a multi-part conundrum. Another part is to explore that hatred, since I hate what is happening so much – and we come from cultures and societies hell bent on teachin' us that hate is a bad guy, yes? - to see if any part of that could be fueled by my own denied hatred (or, or, or) manifesting to show me what i've here to for been in denial of...

    I think the forum staff on The One Truth needs to be given special credit and recognition for keeping a level head during these trying times and containing some pretty damaging proto-fascist movements and tendencies from taking hold here. You guys really did a good job and I'm personally very grateful for all that you have done. Sauron has been kicked back to Mordor once again

    Yes, yes, yes!!! In a word the mod room ROCKS! And is a testament to the work they each have done for themselves and we at TOT including the TOT platform are the beneficiaries of.

    Not to slight any individual in that room but I do want to give a special shout out to Aragorn who, as admin, is left to do the dirty work – putting himself square in the role of becoming the bad guy – with a most astounding display of not only patience and level headedness, but often in an effort that displays that he looks at things from a multitude of angles and points of view that help him to come to decisions - in cohort with the mods - that must be made about the future of this forum.

    Personally, I don't know how he does it and, over and over again, taking the time and effort to inform in detail, the reasoning behind the decisions.

    If the idea were still rattlin' around in my DNA , I would nominate him for sainthood. Which ain't to say he's above human cuz every saint was a human first and humans make mistakes if for no other reason than to learn from whatever are the lesson(s) at hand...

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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    But it is a bit tedious when you know what the next post from a given individual will be.
    i offer myself as a case in point....

    ie, on 'n on I go about the unseen role of denial. Why? Because I want to see if there's anything to it. So far it's battin' a thousand...
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    The real blame ─ and thus, the responsibility ─ rests with this so-called alternative community itself. Too many people were allowing themselves to be blinded by it...

    The truly scary part of it in my own purview is that these QAnon and Trump fans don't seem to realize that they were essentially all cheering for fascism. There's a thread over at Project Avalon, started by former moderator Dennis Leahy, as an inquiry on how the members there feel about socialism, and it is simply mind-boggling how the vast majority of the members who've been posting on that thread is completely brainwashed in favor of capitalism without being able to see that capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism and thus to fascism, not to mention that none of them even seem to understand that the financial-economical society model is based upon artificial scarcity, and thus that it is by definition evil ─ not exactly something a truly alternative community is supposed to support.

    The vast majority of those people doesn't even know what fascism is. They think it's synonymous with the Nazi uniform and the swastika. But Nazism was only one form of fascism ─ and most specifically, it was Adolf Hitler's form of fascism. Fascism is what you get when any given society is in truth ruled by the corporations, with the politicians only being sock puppets for the corporate world. And fascism is also big on nationalism, militarism and machismo ─ all three of which are more ostensibly represented in the USA than in any other nation on the planet.

    So with all of those people supporting a closet fascist like Donald Trump and his supposedly military fanboys of the QAnon group, it's not looking good on account of the consciousness level within this so-called alternative community.
    and that last part.... that's the reeeeaaal scary one ain't it!! even moreso than the cheer for facism (excellent observation, btw).

    quotes from the link that U posted in #166. emphasis are mine...

    The QAnon phenomenon has shown that many people still lack the discernment to be able to separate truth, hoax, psy-op and other forms of disinfo from each other. It’s difficult because truth is never just served up on a silver platter and there are times when you have to follow your intuition in the absence of hard evidence.

    Hopefully this will act us a wake-up call to those who fell for it. Ultimately, the truth is out there and I believe we all the capacity to resonate with it and see through the lies … but it requires hard work, wide reading, critical thought, measuring different perspectives in your mind and an ability to see general patterns amidst all the detail.
    What great advice eh folx? And i mean that. BUT, not one word toward cultivation of that intuition noted in the previous para. Not one! INTUITION, AKA, gut feeling! That's right, it's a feeling! Information in that form is coming from only one place - our own differentiated, personal WILL! Which does NOT communicate in words!

    How are each of U guys here at TOT doin' with yours? Personally, it has come to my attention that i've been denying mine for eons! Cus it all comes to me in the form of feelings.

    (and backing up a para or 2 in the same article)...

    So what lessons can be learned from it?


    palooka sez.... to all of us, and for whatever it might be worth to any of us... lessons from Universe come in strange packages made manifest in forms that reflect the unseen role denial is playing as the very forces underlying the lessons. They are both personal and collective (micro/macro) in nature and thus often contain what may appear as contradictory clues. Ie, it's black vs white. Or, black appears white. Or, what's good for one goose my be bad for another goose. Or, what's good for the goose ain't necessarily good for the gander. Or, or, or...

    There is but one underlying agenda in this dynamic – a dynamic of energetic interactions fundamental to the perfection of creation and the preservation of it since it, at it's very core, IS a fail safe dynamic - which is an experience or experiences from which to clear those very denials that led to the nature of the experiences being made manifest in form. Simply put, just apply the laws of attraction and one can begin to see the unseen.

    Which is just another way of sayin'.... ya can fool the other guy and u can surely fool yerself but ya can't fool MommaPappa Nature... as long as this dynamic remains fundamental to manifestation of experiences here on this rock and beyond... and so far it's workin' PDG as witnessed by the fact that we are now seeing a picture of some of the deepest, nastiest of denials percolating to the surface.

    Applying this to the alt community we are now seeing a reflection of a community that has NOT learned the lesson that the only way to beat the denial wizard at it's own game is to not play the game. Which is to say the alt community - many of which have absolutely no clue that they've been had – has, as a result, trapped itself by way of its collective denials...

    Chess anyone?

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    Quote Originally posted by palooka's revenge View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I think the forum staff on The One Truth needs to be given special credit and recognition for keeping a level head during these trying times and containing some pretty damaging proto-fascist movements and tendencies from taking hold here. You guys really did a good job and I'm personally very grateful for all that you have done. Sauron has been kicked back to Mordor once again
    Yes, yes, yes!!! In a word the mod room ROCKS! And is a testament to the work they each have done for themselves and we at TOT including the TOT platform are the beneficiaries of.

    Not to slight any individual in that room but I do want to give a special shout out to Aragorn who, as admin, is left to do the dirty work – putting himself square in the role of becoming the bad guy – with a most astounding display of not only patience and level headedness, but often in an effort that displays that he looks at things from a multitude of angles and points of view that help him to come to decisions - in cohort with the mods - that must be made about the future of this forum.
    Oh, I do so much more than that, my friend, much of which our members aren't even remotely aware of. As an example of which, have you checked your visitor messages board and PM inbox lately?

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    Personally, I don't know how he does it and, over and over again, taking the time and effort to inform in detail, the reasoning behind the decisions.

    If the idea were still rattlin' around in my DNA , I would nominate him for sainthood. Which ain't to say he's above human cuz every saint was a human first and humans make mistakes if for no other reason than to learn from whatever are the lesson(s) at hand...
    It's my Elven blood ─ I'm after all a Dúnedan, remember? And although Dúnedain can and do make mistakes, their Elven blood prevents them from making certain specific mistakes.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Oh, I do so much more than that, my friend, much of which our members aren't even remotely aware of. As an example of which, have you checked your visitor messages board and PM inbox lately?



    It's my Elven blood ─ I'm after all a Dúnedan, remember? And although Dúnedain can and do make mistakes, their Elven blood prevents them from making certain specific mistakes.
    just now as U probably already know since i see your here at the moment. thx for the heads up...

    hear, hear... elves before saints...

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    Feel you know me well, I wish for you to speak your truth, though it is others truth before yours, you have embraced this your truth, xlent, great, happy for you, now allow me my truth please, would be nice, also when I am 100 % certain this is a hoax ( Q ), please put thread in Hoax box, until then could you be civil and place it where it originally was please as I find it very arrogant that because your truth ( rite or wrong ) dissagress with mine, that you did as you did, maybe just for me, add some good in this new world we have started n created by allowing this evolving me to have the grace of allowing Q in my hope basket till fully proven evil, ta.


    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I don't think it would be correct to shove the blame for the success of the QAnon hoax off on The Powers That Be™, Vern. That's a cheap shot. The real blame ─ and thus, the responsibility ─ rests with this so-called alternative community itself. Too many people were allowing themselves to be blinded by it ─ yourself included.

    The truly scary part of it in my own purview is that these QAnon and Trump fans don't seem to realize that they were essentially all cheering for fascism. There's a thread over at Project Avalon, started by former moderator Dennis Leahy, as an inquiry on how the members there feel about socialism, and it is simply mind-boggling how the vast majority of the members who've been posting on that thread is completely brainwashed in favor of capitalism without being able to see that capitalism inevitably leads to corporatism and thus to fascism, not to mention that none of them even seem to understand that the financial-economical society model is based upon artificial scarcity, and thus that it is by definition evil ─ not exactly something a truly alternative community is supposed to support.

    The vast majority of those people doesn't even know what fascism is. They think it's synonymous with the Nazi uniform and the swastika. But Nazism was only one form of fascism ─ and most specifically, it was Adolf Hitler's form of fascism. Fascism is what you get when any given society is in truth ruled by the corporations, with the politicians only being sock puppets for the corporate world. And fascism is also big on nationalism, militarism and machismo ─ all three of which are more ostensibly represented in the USA than in any other nation on the planet.

    So with all of those people supporting a closet fascist like Donald Trump and his supposedly military fanboys of the QAnon group, it's not looking good on account of the consciousness level within this so-called alternative community.

    But hey, I've been saying this for ages already, and nobody wants to listen when I say it. No, I was accused of censorship, of "stifling freedom of speech" and of "suppressing vital information". Yes, Sir. I'm the Big Bad Admin™ and I have to keep my mouth shut, because ─ or so I've been told again only two days ago ─ I let my ego cloud my judgment. Right.

    So if I'm not allowed to speak the truth ─ because freedom of speech seems to pertain only to the advocates of hate speech, not to people who would rather have everyone behave in a civilized manner, or to people who manage a forum ─ then the only thing I can still do is sit back and watch you guys ram your stubborn heads right into that wall yet another time. And the sad part is that within two weeks, you'll all have forgotten about this umpteenth fiasco again, and you will already be prepping yourselves again for when the next hoaxer comes along. Because that's how it works within this so-called alternative community.

    On the upside, I'm glad that not everyone at The One Truth was cheering for the fascists, and that as staff members, we were able to stay on top of it. It did take a lot of effort and a lot of patience ─ you guys really have no idea ─ and perhaps I should have brought that ban hammer out a little sooner, but at least we were able to keep it contained. There is no place for Sauron or Saruman in the Shire, and Orcs should go back to Mordor, where they belong.





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