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    ok, Chris...I really don't want to debate these points with you...it's not worth it to me to cause you anger and perhaps even hurt feelings. But people don 'labels' all the time to cover their true intentions. On your wavelength, I would say that the difference between extreme leftists and extreme rightists is essentially nothing. But one can be an authoritarian and be on the 'sane' measure of the spectrum, but certainly not the left.

    Extremists should have there own measure. Call it the f*cked up in the head spectrum reserved for Alph-Draconians and the 'Dick' Cheney
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    I'm not angry, just passionate about trying to educate people about the crimes of Communism, which many people on the Left conveniently forget.

    It's not your fault that you rarely hear about it, the entire episode and the 100million + dead have conveniently been consigned to the memory hole. Almost every week, there's another Holocaust movie, documentary or TV episode that comes out, but when was the last time you heard about the Holodomor, Gulags or Mao's death camps, which btw, still exist today, unlike Nazi concentration camps, which closed almost a century ago?

    Or, staying closer to home, my grandfather was at Katyn, one of the greatest massacres in WW2, which was instigated by the communists against the Polish army, after they overran Eastern Poland in an alliance with Hitler. How many people even know about it? There was exactly one movie that was made about it, and it is in Polish. I'm pretty sure nobody in the English-speaking world saw it or knows about it.

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    I'm aware, I always felt that Stalin and Hitler deserved each other...it went beyond poetic justice to cosmic justice...

    I'm aware of what Mao did after the revolution...firing squad action non-stop...that's most assuredly on the insane spectrum.
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    At least here in Finland we are acutely aware of the horrors of Soviet Union and I know about Katyn through the movie. Horrible stuff. Yet here we are a very socialist (democratic) country, which is indeed a great thing and it's not the same thing as communism at all, like some Americans would like to believe. Then again, I'm not sure if we have ever had true communism on planet Earth, just these systems which have become dictatorial. Ideologies often tend to become problematic.

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    I feel the way you say, Wind. We have not seen true communism, which is only an ideal. The systems which have tried to use that name have just been systems which support those in power and use/abuse those outside of it. It's obvious that if so-called communists joined with Hitler then they were really no such thing as communist, and only another form of absolutism.


    NAP, I find that the use of the word authoritative v. authoritarian is more useful. I was authoritative with my child, but never authoritarian. The latter is absolutist.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    At least here in Finland we are acutely aware of the horrors of Soviet Union and I know about Katyn through the movie. Horrible stuff. Yet here we are a very socialist (democratic) country, which is indeed a great thing and it's not the same thing as communism at all, like some Americans would like to believe. Then again, I'm not sure if we have ever had true communism on planet Earth, just these systems which have become dictatorial. Ideologies often tend to become problematic.
    Yes, that is a good point. Like I often say, I'm not opposed to either Left or Right, both are needed in a healthy society, it is when one becomes dominant and moves to the extremes that serious issues arise. Yet, when somebody says only the other side is capable of that and my side would never do that, I have to remind them of numerous historical counterexamples.

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    Here is a picture of a guy that was arrested for attacking a police car and bumping a cop: I looked to see if I could determine 'where he was coming from'. I couldn't find much but what I did see was a picture of him posing with a confederate flag in the background...but it wasn't center image, and something like that could happen anyplace in Texas.

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