Collapse

[Chris]

I really hope the murderous conspiracy theories collapse. Most recently, a surf instructor went down to Mexico and killed his two young children because he read into the theories and became convinced his wife was reptilian and his children would grow up to be monsters. This Qanon insanity is taking a great toll.

It's easy to get sucked into it and once you are inside the conspiracy bubble, even the most insane theories make a certain amount of sense.

Qanon is just a symptom, not the cause. US right wing politics has had a paranoid streak from the very beginning, whether it was the anti-masonic hysteria (which started the whole Illuminati craze), followed by anti-papist and anti-semitic sentiment, all the way through to the KKK, the know-nothings and not that long ago, the John Birch society.

The US's extreme religiosity is probably to blame, I've noticed similar predilections in other countries where fundamentalist religion has a stronghold, particularly in the Islamic World.

Ahhhhhnold. Icy.

Yeah, if the Gulf Stream stops there will be some new, very icy conditions for folks in Europe. It's not good. They're not set up for that. Just like Germany was not prepared for such flooding. It was never a thing until now.

Texas never expected the arctic troughs and polar vortexes. Although, to be fair, they did deliberately set up their system to operate on the margins. Much more profit there. And the little folks get hurt but they're too busy trying to repair and get their lives back together to stop the energy moguls.

So it keeps happening. Rolling blackouts in the summer so families can roast, ruined pipes in the winter because cracker boxes are cheaper to build and the homeowners can pick up the expense of making the homes able to withstand weather.

And the energy moguls can get more rich. On the backs of the state's citizens.

Isn't it grand.

We simply have no idea what effect the instability or potential collapse of the Gulf Stream will have. Scientists are just guessing at this point. Maybe our climate will come to resemble that of British Columbia or it might get even colder. On the other hand, the planet is heating so rapidly, especially at northern latitudes, that it may counterbalance that effect. Nobody actually know. What we do know, is that it will be highly disruptive.

[Wind]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOSewUsjz_k

[Emil El Zapato]

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOSewUsjz_k

Food for thought: This is only one mathematical property that has to be satisfied in order to assume that an algorithm will return reliable results when reversed with the same input ... which by definition can't be done in this case:

An element x of a set S equipped with a binary operator • is said to be idempotent under • if

x • x = x.
The binary operation • is said to be idempotent if

∀x∈S, x • x = x.

[Chris]

Kunstler's predictions for what might happen in the near future collapse-wise, sound increasingly credible.

https://kunstler.com/clusterfuck-nat...and-showdowns/

Throwdowns and Showdowns

Notice, there are two sets of hostages in this phase of what looks like an engineered US collapse: the thousands of stranded Americans who can’t get out of Afghanistan thanks to the history-rockin’ ineptitude of “Joe Biden,” Tony Blinken, and General Mark Milley, and the millions of We-the-People back home whose minds are hostage to the narratives concocted in a shadowland of sinister governance. Welcome to a week of throwdowns and showdowns, a force majeure of mind change.

A strange paralysis in the Pentagon has prevented the use of US power to clear an escape corridor to Kabul’s airport and establish order in the facility — this, after the tactically mystifying decision to abandon the US Bagram military airfield, a good twenty miles outside of festering Kabul, and surrounded by more easily-securable empty desert. Britain and France managed to get their nationals out last week, only to be rebuked by American brass for “making us look bad.” That helped, I’m sure.

And then how long can the stranded Americans even stay hidden and alive? They have to eat. Either they come out of their hidey-holes and get to some market, or they would (theoretically) have to send some Afghani servants to fetch them supplies, But, what Afghani in his right mind would want to be caught in service to the Americans by the Taliban? That quandary must have a pretty short time-horizon on it. Standing by to see how it works out….

Next in this week’s throwdown parade is the FDA’s imminent approval of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, without any of the usual extensive trials. How does that even happen, with an efficacy rate of 39 percent maximum and a runaway train of vicious side effects ranging from brain and heart damage to infertility? The so-called mRNA “vaccines” are also implicated in the ongoing mutation of the disease, producing a cavalcade of variants. Is that, perhaps, on-purpose, to keep the pandemic going, preventing it from burning-out?

Covid-19 is an expedient device for exercising the most severe control over the daily life of Americans, and it is being used liberally once again in the “blue” cities to make ordinary business as difficult as possible even unto shut-down and ruin. FDA approval will further enable the mandatory “vaccination” of school-children, government workers, and corporate employees. About half the country still refuses to get jabbed. You are about to see them go hard-core when the FDA makes its move.

The shadow cabal behind “Joe Biden” will, accordingly, destroy what is left of public education as millions of parents withdraw their kids from the system. You will then see the rapid assembly of home-schooling networks that aggregate informally into small private academies — and, of course, the biggest losers will be the minorities who lack the cultural mojo to home-school. Well done, “Joe Biden” and the FDA! While you’re at, why not destroy Higher Ed, too? (That sound you’ll hear is plywood getting nailed up on the windows of countless insolvent small colleges.)

The school revolt will only be one part of a greater uproar against the confabulated hysteria of Covid-19. Throwdown will lead to showdown as the alienation of We-the-People from a tyrannical rogue government bangs the crisis gong. Next up: the release of the Arizona election audit’s preliminary findings. Rumor is that they show the grossest possible, and probably criminal, mismanagement of the balloting, pointing to a conclusion that “Joe Biden” did not win that state’s election. Additional rumor has it that the ballots carried hidden, traceable serial numbers, or something like that, showing conclusively how the paper vote was rigged. Rachel Mddow’s nightmare — “They have the ballots!!!” — comes true… a wake-up for the Woked-up.

As predicted here, John Durham is back in the news. The captive news media — that is, the mainstream orgs owned by the Intel Community — put stories out last week that the RussiaGate special prosecutor has actually made some trips to the grand jury. That implies some kind of criminal prosecution. Their spin was that he had only netted a few small-fry, characters mostly outside government such as Igor Danchenko of the Brookings Institution, said to be the chief source for Christopher Steele’s nefarious “dossier.” Don’t believe it. Durham is going for the sharks and whales: Andrew McCabe, Peter Strzok, John Brennan, Bruce and Nellie Ohr… and, really, how can James Comey be excluded from that gang, since he was running it?

This week marks the beginning of the Deep State’s hard time. Its narratives are shredding. Its mind-control measures are slip-sliding away. Half the country has been onto their game for years, and the other half is about to feel their heads explode as a corrective reality elbows into the scene. That is, the real-and-only reality, not the one confabulated backstage for you by skulking quislings. See how you’ve been played? They have taken your country. Maybe you should start caring about that.

[Octopus Garden]

Chris,

Kunstler is funny and interesting. He's also an entertainer who has become, to my mind, a conspiracy monger. He has famously claimed that "blacks refused to step up and join mainstream society." Anyone who diminishes what blacks have gone through historically, and currently, is not credible. It's not even a matter of empathy or sympathy for. A simple examination of the American justice system can be observed by any white American---but they won't do it. At least, most of them.

There is no pure conspiracy, in terms of covid. There are elements of organized opportunism, as in "never let a good crisis go to waste." But this whole line of Bill Gates being involved in a genocidal eugenics program? I don't know if Kunstler takes it that far, but I wouldn't be surprised.

There won't be any intentional genocide, just a ramping up of systemic inequality, presided over the banks. Whites will join their black brethren in being crushed under the heel of economic force. The banks will deny them loans for homes. The underclass (90%) of the population will be unable to afford rent and food. Stagflation is going to be the real leveler and possibly the real killer, as the controllers default to their standard Social Darwinian model. No plan there, just a mind set.

[Chris]

Chris,

Kunstler is funny and interesting. He's also an entertainer who has become, to my mind, a conspiracy monger. He has famously claimed that "blacks refused to step up and join mainstream society." Anyone who diminishes what blacks have gone through historically, and currently, is not credible. It's not even a matter of empathy or sympathy for. A simple examination of the American justice system can be observed by any white American---but they won't do it. At least, most of them.

There is no pure conspiracy, in terms of covid. There are elements of organized opportunism, as in "never let a good crisis go to waste." But this whole line of Bill Gates being involved in a genocidal eugenics program? I don't know if Kunstler takes it that far, but I wouldn't be surprised.

There won't be any intentional genocide, just a ramping up of systemic inequality, presided over the banks. Whites will join their black brethren in being crushed under the heel of economic force. The banks will deny them loans for homes. The underclass (90%) of the population will be unable to afford rent and food. Stagflation is going to be the real leveler and possibly the real killer, as the controllers default to their standard Social Darwinian model. No plan there, just a mind set.

I don't see what that has to do with the issue at hand, which is the ongoing collapse of a civilisation, perhaps even globally.

I'm not crazy about Kunstler's right-wing turn lately, but if you read his 2005 book, The Long Emergency, events are turning out pretty much as he predicted them almost two decades ago, so he's a commentator worth listening to, whether you agree with his political views or not.

[Octopus Garden]

Next in this week’s throwdown parade is the FDA’s imminent approval of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, without any of the usual extensive trials. How does that even happen, with an efficacy rate of 39 percent maximum and a runaway train of vicious side effects ranging from brain and heart damage to infertility? The so-called mRNA “vaccines” are also implicated in the ongoing mutation of the disease, producing a cavalcade of variants. Is that, perhaps, on-purpose, to keep the pandemic going, preventing it from burning-out? Kunstler

I don't see what that has to do with the issue at hand, which is the ongoing collapse of a civilisation, perhaps even globally.

See above. He paints the bleakest pictures possible to keep his audience "entertained." And he has been wrong, plenty wrong. Peak oil? Seriously? He's been banging that drum since well before oil surged to 147.00 per barrel and then cratered down to just 33.00. And that was well before the pandemic, where drillers were paying to have the stuff hauled away.

His comments on the vaccine are breathtakingly irresponsible. But, you know ka ching ka ching for the joker if it helps him sell books. He can weave it into his own version of collapse and his adherants will eat it up, through a mixture of confirmation bias and participating in online echo chambers.

No offense to you but I have been following him since around 2000 and have been more and more appalled at his willingness to use sensitive and serious issues as fodder for his story telling

[Chris]

Next in this week’s throwdown parade is the FDA’s imminent approval of Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine, without any of the usual extensive trials. How does that even happen, with an efficacy rate of 39 percent maximum and a runaway train of vicious side effects ranging from brain and heart damage to infertility? The so-called mRNA “vaccines” are also implicated in the ongoing mutation of the disease, producing a cavalcade of variants. Is that, perhaps, on-purpose, to keep the pandemic going, preventing it from burning-out? Kunstler



See above. He paints the bleakest pictures possible to keep his audience "entertained." And he has been wrong, plenty wrong. Peak oil? Seriously? He's been banging that drum since well before oil surged to 147.00 per barrel and then cratered down to just 33.00. And that was well before the pandemic, where drillers were paying to have the stuff hauled away.

His comments on the vaccine are breathtakingly irresponsible. But, you know ka ching ka ching for the joker if it helps him sell books. He can weave it into his own version of collapse and his adherants will eat it up, through a mixture of confirmation bias and participating in online echo chambers.

No offense to you but I have been following him since around 2000 and have been more and more appalled at his willingness to use sensitive and serious issues as fodder for his story telling

Sure, he's not a sage, just an astute observer. I happen to think his books on the fiasco of suburbia and car-dependency are even more relevant.

As for the vaccine fiasco, I'm no expert, but listening to some actual independent experts, such as Bret Weinstein and Robert Malone, it does seem to me that there is plenty of cause for concern, even if you discount all the totalitarian propaganda and discrimination being directed at the vaccine-hesitant.

As for Peak Oil, it did happen, right on schedule. Conventional Oil production peaked at around 2006-2007 I believe, incidentally, right before the Financial Crisis and the ensuing great recession. It was also the trough of US domestic
oil production. What saved the day, was non-conventional oil, such as Fracking and Oil Sands, which gave a new lease of life to the oil industry and fossil-fuel dependency, at insane cost. These are not sustainable ways to produce oil in the long run, they're only temporary stop-gap measures.

Sure, something might come along to replace fossil fuels, but what exactly? So far, none of the proposed alternatives can match the scale of the fossil fuel industry, and even if we managed to keep the show running for a couple more decades, the planet might become unliveable in the meanwhile, which is a worse outcome than the collapse of Industrial Civilisation.

[Octopus Garden]

Sure, he's not a sage, just an astute observer. I happen to think his books on the fiasco of suburbia and car-dependency are even more relevant.

As for the vaccine fiasco, I'm no expert, but listening to some actual independent experts, such as Bret Weinstein and Robert Malone, it does seem to me that there is plenty of cause for concern, even if you discount all the totalitarian propaganda and discrimination being directed at the vaccine-hesitant.

As for Peak Oil, it did happen, right on schedule. Conventional Oil production peaked at around 2006-2007 I believe, incidentally, right before the Financial Crisis and the ensuing great recession. It was also the trough of US domestic
oil production. What saved the day, was non-conventional oil, such as Fracking and Oil Sands, which gave a new lease of life to the oil industry and fossil-fuel dependency, at insane cost. These are not sustainable ways to produce oil in the long run, they're only temporary stop-gap measures.

Sure, something might come along to replace fossil fuels, but what exactly? So far, none of the proposed alternatives can match the scale of the fossil fuel industry, and even if we managed to keep the show running for a couple more decades, the planet might become unliveable in the meanwhile, which is a worse outcome than the collapse of Industrial Civilisation.

As far as Bret Weinstein goes, you really should watch the Rebel Wisdom video I posted. Fuller is a friend of Weinstein's. Robert Malone's fear of ADE have not transpired as far as I know. Could they in the future? According to him...maybe, just maybe, not a sure thing at all.

Thorium reactors will replace fossil fuel. Molten salt nuclear. Any other ideas, including solar are kind of hare brained, imo. I don't disagree with the idea that oil has peaked--just that there will never be reasonable alternatives.

My main concern, as far as collapse goes is climate chaos, the potential for the planet to become like Mars, in terms of atmosphere.

Sorry if I came off a bit strong. My nerves are frayed lately, like everybody else, I guess.

[Chris]

As far as Bret Weinstein goes, you really should watch the Rebel Wisdom video I posted. Fuller is a friend of Weinstein's. Robert Malone's fear of ADE have not transpired as far as I know. Could they in the future? According to him...maybe, just maybe, not a sure thing at all.

Thorium reactors will replace fossil fuel. Molten salt nuclear. Any other ideas, including solar are kind of hare brained, imo. I don't disagree with the idea that oil has peaked--just that there will never be reasonable alternatives.

My main concern, as far as collapse goes is climate chaos, the potential for the planet to become like Mars, in terms of atmosphere.

Sorry if I came off a bit strong. My nerves are frayed lately, like everybody else, I guess.

The problem with having these discussions with North Americans, is that you guys tend to look at things from a political perspective. E.g. if somebody's from the other side of the political spectrum, they must be acting in bad faith or lying, by definition. I noticed this in connection with the vaccine issue, but many other topics as well.

I personally don't care about a person's political affiliations, as long as I find them to be thoughtful and a reliable guide to the issue at hand.

I'm not one for conspiracy theories, but if you listen to Brett Weinstein and Robert Malone's three-hour podcast discussion on the issues surrounding covid vaccinations, you can't fail to come away with at least some sense that there is something seriously wrong here and we are witnessing corruption and cover-ups on a massive scale. This is par for the course for the pharma industry, but for some reason the Left in North America has been willing to completely overlook the massive abuses of big Pharma during the pandemic, in stark contrast to how they called them out in previous years and decades.

I don't know if Thorium reactors are the panacea that will replace the fossil fuel industry. Such claims have been made about fusion reactors since at least the 1950s, but they never seem to materialise.

People don't seem to realise that none of the proposed alternatives so far scale up to the degree that would be needed to replace fossil fuels in their entirety. They are all stopgap measures or pipe dreams. Unless we really come up with some miraculous new technology for energy generation, right now and not decades hence, the whole world economy will collapse like a house of cards. This very nearly happened in 2007 (Just read Hank Paulson's memoirs), and the global supply chain is again experiencing supreme distress.

The conspiracy theorist in me notes with dire suspicion, that this pandemic is exactly what the doctor ordered to reduce unnecessary human activity and thus energy expenditure, especially travel and tourism, to a minimum, thus giving a reprieve to global energy markets. Maybe it was just a lucky coincidence...

[Octopus Garden]

Chris, I feel that too many people exaggerate or minimize the side effects of the vaccine. Then there is the grey area, which I occupied, until very recently, where people just throw up their hands and say, "I don't know."

There is a perverse incentive online to fear monger about all sorts of issues, particularly if it can be done in a satirical way, because clicks translate into book sales or youtube subscribers. There are very few in any form of media who aren't engaged in this weird Kabuki theatre to draw attention to their own viewpoint. Bullshit is hardly limited to mainstream media. That is why I posted the Rebel Wisdom video. Fuller doesn't do this.

I appreciate your point of view. Don't get me wrong. I still think it would be worth your while to look at those who are also anti-big pharma, who are pushing back against Weinstein.

As far as Kunstler goes--right, left or center, I don't like or trust his point of view, as I feel it is dictated by his commercial interests.

[Octopus Garden]

The conspiracy theorist in me notes with dire suspicion, that this pandemic is exactly what the doctor ordered to reduce unnecessary human activity and thus energy expenditure, especially travel and tourism, to a minimum, thus giving a reprieve to global energy markets. Maybe it was just a lucky coincidence...

The conspiracy theorist in me figures the same, but through some kind of alien intervention. That makes me weirder than you. I win!!

[Chris]

The conspiracy theorist in me figures the same, but through some kind of alien intervention. That makes me weirder than you. I win!!

Yes, I also think that is very likely.

The book "Walking among us: The Alien Plan to control humanity" is top on my reading list right now, apparently it describes exactly such a scenario. I shall read it with interest.

[Dreamtimer]

We've gotten around 90K people out of Afghanistan so far with more to come. Air BnB is now arranging for housing all over the world for Afghan refugees. And we're still getting people out of Afghanistan, and not just Americans.

Just so folks know.

The US states which are shutting down are in the South. Mississippi is enacting a law which makes it a felony for those in isolation to break it. Mississippi, not the Federal government. And more southern states will be taking action as their hospitals are becoming unable to give basic care because of the spread of the Delta variant.

This guy should stop with the Blue States thing, it's insulting. America isn't parsed out that way. It's a purple country for real, folks of all sorts live in the cities and suburbs.

Please don't fall for the Blue/Red state tropes. The numbers just aren't 'black and white' like that.

"Shadow Cabal"? Is Kunstler writing CT entertainment?

The Arizona shit-show is not showing what he says. Where is he getting his misinformation? Because he's way wrong about that. Cyber Ninja's don't know what they're doing because it's not what they do. And they're not even from Arizona. Even if they'd had gained experience in Florida, it wouldn't translate to Arizona.

It's a tragic waste of taxpayer dollars and voting machines.

And the door to door knocking and asking who people voted for is patently illegal and also unConstitutional.

Why in the world anyone supports this supreme crap is beyond understanding.

It's nothing more than a drama-play to keep fears stoked so that doubts can be thrown into more elections.

To support the audit activities is to support collapse.

So to those who want to see collapse, this must, in fact, be fantastic entertainment!


I was just reading an article about concrete roads built to create electric charge to charge electric cars. Between that and all of the natural materials being developed to replace plastics, I'd say we're well on the road to finding all kinds of technologies and energy systems beyond petroleum products.

No gloom and doom for me, thank you.

[Chris]

The Afghan refugee situation will be interesting. Russia already declared they won't be taking any, but they probably won't be able to avoid it, since most of them will be from the Turkic minorities, such as Tajiks and Uzbeks. The "Stans" neighbour Afghanistan and there is free travel from there all the way to Moscow.

A lot of Afghan refugees have flown into Belarus and tried to sneak over the border into Poland and the Baltic countries. They're now building border walls, like Hungary did back in 2015 during the height of the Syrian refugee crisis. Greece is building a border wall on the Turkish border and Turkey in turn is building one on the Iranian one. Nobody wants Afghans and for good reason.

While a lot of the refugees from Syria were skilled or at least somewhat literate and relatively civilised, the Afghans, who also sneaked in with the Syrians back in 2015-2016 have proven themselves to be complete savages. The vast majority were illiterate nomads who caused an upsurge in sex crimes, particularly the rape of little boys in neighbouring Austria. In case you're puzzled by this, pederasty is an integral part of Afghan culture, something the British, Russians and then NATO tried to put a stop to in vain. Nobody wants them, not even fellow Muslim co-religionists.