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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Oh come on, man. Bill Ryan isn't working for the spooks — or at least, not knowingly, because there is always a chance that one of his insider contacts would be feeding him with disinformation without that Bill knows. "Dan Burisch" springs to mind.

    Besides, I fail to see how numbers are going to either corroborate or refute your claim. For that matter, statistics are always used in the same way as a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, rather than for illumination.
    If it has feathers, swims, quacks, poops in your pool, and has webbed feet...it (he) just might be a duck. The numbers point in that direction.

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    Oh come on, man. Bill Ryan isn't working for the spooks — or at least, not knowingly, because there is always a chance that one of his insider contacts would be feeding him with disinformation without that Bill knows. "Dan Burisch" springs to mind.

    Besides, I fail to see how numbers are going to either corroborate or refute your claim. For that matter, statistics are always used in the same way as a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, rather than for illumination.
    If it has feathers, swims, quacks, poops in your pool, and has webbed feet...it (he) just might be a duck. The numbers point in that direction.

    ...remember, I’m an MK Ultra “fanboy”.
    I'm calling bovine excrement on that one, but okay, let's see those numbers then.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I'm calling bovine excrement on that one, but okay, let's see those numbers then.
    Call it all you want. His workings has all the earmarks of a psyop. Both he and Kerry ran ops to get “whistleblowers” to expose themselves. By my count, he runs about 50% truth to BS. He has built a structure, the kool-aid stand, which he uses to incite a group of alt-world folks against another instead of trying to work together in spite of differences. Now, he has worked some sort of magick against you.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Call it all you want. His workings has all the earmarks of a psyop. Both he and Kerry ran ops to get “whistleblowers” to expose themselves. By my count, he runs about 50% truth to BS. He has built a structure, the kool-aid stand, which he uses to incite a group of alt-world folks against another instead of trying to work together in spite of differences. Now, he has worked some sort of magick against you.

    ...enjoy the dark side dude, you’ve joined it.
    I think you give Darth Hatman too much credit. He's just a guy with a forum, and in hiding, unable to return home. He's not exactly in a position of power. A number of people that came out of that whole Project Camelot / Avalon environment, such as Corey Goode or Simon Parkes are a lot more well-known and influential than he'll ever be. Also, I am fairly sure he has no magickal powers

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
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    Oh come on, man. Bill Ryan isn't working for the spooks — or at least, not knowingly, because there is always a chance that one of his insider contacts would be feeding him with disinformation without that Bill knows. "Dan Burisch" springs to mind.

    Besides, I fail to see how numbers are going to either corroborate or refute your claim. For that matter, statistics are always used in the same way as a drunk uses a lamp post: for support, rather than for illumination.
    If it has feathers, swims, quacks, poops in your pool, and has webbed feet...it (he) just might be a duck. The numbers point in that direction.

    ...remember, I’m an MK Ultra “fanboy”.
    I'm calling bovine excrement on that one, but okay, let's see those numbers then.
    Call it all you want. His workings has all the earmarks of a psyop. Both he and Kerry ran ops to get “whistleblowers” to expose themselves.
    No, they simply started asking questions, but in doing that, they also naively opened the door for anyone to call themselves an insider and find themselves a spot in the limelight. And it is my observation that Bill has become aware of that, while Kerry is still running around the chicken coop.

    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    By my count, he runs about 50% truth to BS. He has built a structure, the kool-aid stand, which he uses to incite a group of alt-world folks against another instead of trying to work together in spite of differences.
    I'm not going to comment on the percentage of truth to bullshit, because I consider the jury still out on a number of these people, and it has been my observation so far that many of these supposed "alt community" members are all too eager to take any of these personalities at face value and form a cult around them.

    I've been a witness to four such cults already since I started doing research in this field, and the last three of them — Simon Parkes, Corey Goode and Shane "The Ruiner" Bales — were forum-based. The first cult was that of the Space Brothers, also known as the Galactic Federation of Light and as Ashtar Command, and they were mostly active on YouTube when I came across them.

    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Now, he has worked some sort of magick against you.

    ...enjoy the dark side dude, you’ve joined it.
    Don't be ridiculous. All that has happened in my own perspective of Bill Ryan is that I've distanced myself from the knee-jerks — both my own and those of others. It's called "growing up and behaving responsibly".
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Don't be ridiculous. All that has happened in my own perspective of Bill Ryan is that I've distanced myself from the knee-jerks — both my own and those of others. It's called "growing up and behaving responsibly".
    Come on now brother man. You're perfectly entitled to change your mind, and start giving a guy with a notoriously checkered past a pass, but I think it's going a bit far referring to it as a sign of "growing up and behaving responsibly".
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Come on now brother man. You're perfectly entitled to change your mind, and start giving a guy with a notoriously checkered past a pass, but I think it's going a bit far referring to it as a sign of "growing up and behaving responsibly".
    You're forgetting that I'm replying to the king of "alt community" knee-jerks, Brother Fred.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    You're forgetting that I'm replying to the king of "alt community" knee-jerks, Brother Fred.
    Gotchya.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    At the risk of sounding as if I'm trying to protect Bill Ryan now — you all know I've had my own criticisms of him, and some of you have been chiding me quite harshly for being too vocal about said criticisms — I do believe that we should cut el Ingles en Ecuador a little bit of slack.

    Everyone makes mistakes — some graver than others — and in my personal opinion, it isn't always required that one admits in public to each and every mistake one has ever made. One's open admission of a number of very bad mistakes could be acceptable as an apology — even for mistakes one hasn't literally admitted to in the same fashion. There's no need to be so harsh as to demand that the person who made the mistakes gets down on their knees and begs for forgiveness.

    We all know how sensitive Bill is to how he is perceived by others. We all know he has his pride. But people generally do tend to reflect upon their mistakes as they grow older — at least, most people do. In his mind, Bill has probably already long come to regret his involvement with the whole Serpo thing. But that was many years ago, and Bill certainly knows that he has made even far more pervasive mistakes in the meantime, such as the endorsement of Stephen "Charles" Hodges, Simon Parkes, Corey Goode, and perhaps even a few others that I'm either not aware of, or whose names are eluding me right now.

    I could be grossly wrong — I'm not exactly infallible either — but it is my honest impression from reading some of Bill Ryan's publicly visible posts over at Project Avalon in the past couple of months that el hombre con sombrero has been engaging in some serious introspection on account of all the woo-woo stories and heroes he has been endorsing over the years.

    I believe I've said this before, but in one of my email exchanges with Bill, he literally expressed his embarrassment on account of the Simon Parkes affair, and he did so without that I myself had even mentioned Simon Parkes. In order to paste that snippet from our email exchange, I've converted the HTML to BBcode, but this here-below is a literal copy/paste of what Bill wrote to me, and all of his moderators were copied in on the exchange:



    Perhaps Bill has even come to regret having gratuitously banned some people from his forum in the past — who knows? But either way, what's done is done. You cannot go back and change history. The best you can do is apologize and make amends (if possible), and then take that with you as the present moves into the future.

    What I am therefore suggesting is that we extend Bill Ryan the benefit of the doubt and that we tacitly assume that he's probably regretting his involvement with the Serpo story — of which I personally believe that Bill either believed it himself at the time, or that he at the very least had an open mind about the possibility that it could have been true — as well as that he's obviously regretting having endorsed Hodges, Goode, Parkes, and whoever else.

    To me, the fact that he's acknowledging his mistakes is progress. I do not require him to drop down on his knees and repent, whether it's about Serpo, Corey, Simon Sez™ or whatever. Let's leave the man in his dignity, is what I say.




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    Quote Originally posted by Shadowself View Post
    I will briefly add that I am getting a bit disappointed in Dolan, DJ, and even Farrell as to the directions they are going in this field they seem to focus on. It seems to use whatever method they can find to associate one with the other thing which often times to me makes no sense in the overall substance and subjects.
    I have to agree...Dolan has always been straight up and unbiased. He's trying to jump the 'crazy' bandwagon now. Everyone knows where the money is or perhaps he has learned some legitimate information that has swayed his thinking but I doubt it.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    CW isn't any kind of whistleblower or SSP character, but perhaps he could qualify as a kind of hero only in that he calls out BS and is good at critical analysis. That's a skill which needs to spread.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    True, and that makes it all the more dangerous for him to trust these people. But even then it's still a far cry from the statement that Bill Ryan would be on the spooks' payroll. I have never believed that, and to me, this is just another example of the knee-jerkiness within this so-called alternative community — not dissimilar to the black & white holy war scenario you spoke of earlier with regard to US politics.

    For that matter, I don't even believe that Kerry Cassidy would be on the spooks' payroll either, although I imagine that the spooks must be very pleased with how easy it is to have her running around like a headless chicken — and all of her followers with her.
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    Hey DD,

    it's an old saying but...how boring would the world be if we were all alike?
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Hey DD,

    it's an old saying but...how boring would the world be if we were all alike?
    Just for your information, the account of Dumpster Diver has been retired, as per his own request.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Just for your information, the account of Dumpster Diver has been retired, as per his own request.
    Well, that's a bummer. I am personally rather sad that DD decided to retire his account, he was my favourite character on the forum. Of course it's his own decision, but I hope he will reconsider some day and "unretire" his account. One of the unintended consequences of my joining this forum was a sort of rapprochement between TOT and PA. I had mixed feelings about that, but as the new boy here I didn't think it was any of my business. It seems though that some of the older members are really not happy about this turn of events and that was probably a factor in DD reducing his contribution to the forum in the last few weeks and eventually retiring his account.

    I noticed that some of the other regular members have also been conspicuous by their absence lately. I hope nobody minds my honesty, but I do think it's a damn shame that such a relatively trivial matter is causing some members to reduce their contribution or leave altogether. The whole alternative community has a problem with this sort of splintering. I feel that if current trends continue, everybody will have their own forum, where they will be speaking to themselves as they will be the only ones agreeing with themselves.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Just for your information, the account of Dumpster Diver has been retired, as per his own request.
    Well, that's a bummer. I am personally rather sad that DD decided to retire his account, he was my favourite character on the forum. Of course it's his own decision, but I hope he will reconsider some day and "unretire" his account. One of the unintended consequences of my joining this forum was a sort of rapprochement between TOT and PA.
    It wasn't necessarily the fact that you decided to join The One Truth, though. A tentative bridge had already been built a short while earlier, because of an ex-member who wrote to Bill Ryan — myself having been copied in — that The One Truth was planning to usurp Project Avalon (or something to that effect), along with the suggestion that I myself would have supported that idea.

    That email was so embarrassing that I contacted Bill Ryan myself — with the sender of the original email copied in — with my promise that I had nothing to do with that person's fantasy, and that there is enough room on the internet for both our forums (and several more). Bill then replied to me, cordially, as he always does.

    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I had mixed feelings about that, but as the new boy here I didn't think it was any of my business. It seems though that some of the older members are really not happy about this turn of events and that was probably a factor in DD reducing his contribution to the forum in the last few weeks and eventually retiring his account.
    With all due respect, I don't think that's what has been the case here. From day one, Dumpster Diver was throwing his alleged insider knowledge and his expertise in mathematics around, but when push came to shove, all he could come up with were made-up statistics — which doesn't have anything to do with mathematics — and resort to the age-old "alternative community" knee-jerk reactions to everything, believing all of the woo-woo, and so on.

    I don't mean to speak ill of him, but he was literally dragging the forum back to the stone ages of its intellectual development. One of the unspoken tenets of The One Truth is that we're open-minded, but not so open-minded that our brains fall out. Dumpster Diver was running around like a bull in a china shop, manifesting the old "alternative community" knee-jerks on just about everything, and for that matter, he was doing it with a tone of authority to boot, because of his alleged "insider knowledge" and his "math".

    We've called him out on the bovine excrement before — and someone with his background in the military should really know better — but I guess it was my personal non-acceptance of his last knee-jerk (about Bill Ryan allegedly being on the spooks' payroll) that made him decide he had enough of us.

    Dumpster Diver also had a habit of being gratuitously rude, sometimes in jest — even though it was then still rude, and often distasteful — and sometimes in earnest. It wasn't even all too long ago that there was an issue in which a fairly new member mistook the comments from a few posters as offensive when she shouldn't have, but then Dumpster Diver literally bit into her like a pitbull terrier, and he told me via private messages that he had no intention of letting go, even if it meant that he was going to get banned. I kid you not — we have the exchange on record in the mod room.

    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I noticed that some of the other regular members have also been conspicuous by their absence lately. I hope nobody minds my honesty, but I do think it's a damn shame that such a relatively trivial matter is causing some members to reduce their contribution or leave altogether. The whole alternative community has a problem with this sort of splintering. I feel that if current trends continue, everybody will have their own forum, where they will be speaking to themselves as they will be the only ones agreeing with themselves.
    I too have noticed an increase in the number of members who are no longer participating on the forum even without that their accounts have been retired, but I don't think this would have anything to do with the established peace between The One Truth and Project Avalon. I believe it may just be due to people getting bored with forum life, or perhaps with the lack of drama.

    In the past, it was all the woo-woo — e.g. Corey Goode, The Ruiner, et al — that drew people to forums such as this one. And an additional factor — for which yours truly had already warned this so-called "alternative community" more than a year ago — is that the US American "alt-right" has infiltrated and usurped the so-called "alternative community" for its own purposes.

    As a result, Project Avalon — or rather, its members, because I'm not going to make the same claim about the management there — is for most part pro-Trump. They all see Donald Trump as a kind of awaited Messiah, along with all the woo-woo stories that were already going round before he was elected. The QAnon phenomenon is part of that.

    Here at The One Truth, the majority of our active members is anti-Trump, but we did have a number of pro-Trump members here as well. And I've noticed that the latter are the ones who are no longer coming around. In fact, one member even literally stated a while ago that he was no longer coming to The One Truth because the majority of our members do not support Donald Trump.

    Can you say "bigot"? I know I can.
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    Thanks Aragorn, that is a very thorough explanation.

    I tend to agree with the anti-Trump crowd, though I'm not fanatical about it, I recognise it when he does positive things, such as his role in establishing peace on the Korean Peninsula (fingers crossed) and cracking down on China's unfair trade practices, as well as renegotiating NAFTA on more favourable terms. That doesn't make him any less of a raging narcissist, of course. Calling him "Orange Hitler" might be funny, but I don't think it's particularly helpful. I have my own issues with the Left, as well as the Right, so I try to stay out of the back and forth between these two sides, who now really hate each other with a passion and see each other as the enemy. I try to be a centrist in all things, as I believe you need both your left and right leg, you can't move forward if you cut off one of them. It is necessary for (centre) left and right-wing parties to knock each other out of power periodically, that's how actual progress is achieved in a balanced way.

    I suspect the reason Truth forums, such as this one, are experiencing less traffic and interest, is due to the lack of progress in disclosure and in the mainstreaming of what you call the woo-woo stuff. Simply put, the Truth is being hidden from us and it is increasingly difficult to get to the bottom of it, because pretty much anyone can come out with a convincing, but wholly made-up story that just muddies the waters. I have personally seen so many setbacks and frauds in the field of UFOs and aliens for instance, that I'm no longer even sure if there is any Truth to the matter whatsoever. I would not be the least bit surprised if it turned out that we have never ever been visited by UFOs or Aliens (not for the last few thousand years anyway) and each and every person who claims to have been visited by or abducted by extraterrestrials is a liar and a cheat. That is the mainstream position anyway and I'm starting to wonder if they might have a point. I know we discussed this before, but my scepticism on the whole matter is still pretty solid.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Thanks Aragorn, that is a very thorough explanation.

    I tend to agree with the anti-Trump crowd, though I'm not fanatical about it, I recognise it when he does positive things, such as his role in establishing peace on the Korean Peninsula (fingers crossed) and cracking down on China's unfair trade practices, as well as renegotiating NAFTA on more favourable terms. That doesn't make him any less of a raging narcissist, of course. Calling him "Orange Hitler" might be funny, but I don't think it's particularly helpful. I have my own issues with the Left, as well as the Right, so I try to stay out of the back and forth between these two sides, who now really hate each other with a passion and see each other as the enemy. I try to be a centrist in all things, as I believe you need both your left and right leg, you can't move forward if you cut off one of them. It is necessary for (centre) left and right-wing parties to knock each other out of power periodically, that's how actual progress is achieved in a balanced way.

    I suspect the reason Truth forums, such as this one, are experiencing less traffic and interest, is due to the lack of progress in disclosure and in the mainstreaming of what you call the woo-woo stuff. Simply put, the Truth is being hidden from us and it is increasingly difficult to get to the bottom of it, because pretty much anyone can come out with a convincing, but wholly made-up story that just muddies the waters. I have personally seen so many setbacks and frauds in the field of UFOs and aliens for instance, that I'm no longer even sure if there is any Truth to the matter whatsoever. I would not be the least bit surprised if it turned out that we have never ever been visited by UFOs or Aliens (not for the last few thousand years anyway) and each and every person who claims to have been visited by or abducted by extraterrestrials is a liar and a cheat. That is the mainstream position anyway and I'm starting to wonder if they might have a point. I know we discussed this before, but my scepticism on the whole matter is still pretty solid.
    Personally, I don't care what he does...he's a scumbag, everything he does is 'stained' by that legacy.
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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