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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Hmm... What's that smell? Ah, yes, now I recognize it: it's the US Republican Hate & Propaganda Machine™, from the only country in the world with human life in it, where climate change does not exist, where corporate greed and consumerism are Man's Finest Achievements™, where documented facts are merely A Personal Opinion™, where you are A Hero™ if you join up with the military (and a nuisance when you return from the endless war with PTSD and missing limbs), where endangered species must be eradicated for the sake of Da Korporayshuns™ and the petrodollar, and where Brown People™ must be shot on sight by White Men In Uniforms™ if they live inside the borders of the USA, or bombed the shit out of with state-of-the-art high-tech weaponry if they live outside of the borders of the USA.

    The only good thing about something this rotten is that you can smell the stench from a mile away.
    I'm with you man, and your rant is my basic rant (save a minor disagreement here and there), but I feel it must be reiterated here that there is much more to the United States (and her people) than that of which you speak.


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    Considering how little attention people are paying to my posts, I doubt that my input on said threads would be sorely missed anyway.
    I hereby invite you to stop this whining about the thank you button, and just belly up to the bar of the marketplace of ideas without giving a fuck what anyone thinks or thanks...
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    You got an out loud laugh out of me, Fred.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I'm with you man, and your rant is my basic rant (save a minor disagreement here and there), but I feel it must be reiterated here that there is much more to the United States (and her people) than that of which you speak.




    I hereby invite you to stop this whining about the thank you button, and just belly up to the bar of the marketplace of ideas without giving a fuck what anyone thinks or thanks...
    well that sez it a whole lot better than i did!!

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    Lol, tisa all coming out lol

    People seem to forget that Trump was scom as such, close to scum but not of it imo and most importantly, he does not matter, each human individual's mind is the key, and he has opened many minds of the for n against crowds and assisted the mind knowns hugely imo.

    Again he does not matter and imo Ghandi could not have assisted better.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I'm with you man, and your rant is my basic rant (save a minor disagreement here and there), but I feel it must be reiterated here that there is much more to the United States (and her people) than that of which you speak.
    I know, but that's not up for discussion when it comes to propaganda.

    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Considering how little attention people are paying to my posts, I doubt that my input on said threads would be sorely missed anyway.
    I hereby invite you to stop this whining about the thank you button, and just belly up to the bar of the marketplace of ideas without giving a fuck what anyone thinks or thanks...
    I'm not talking of the "Thanks" button, Fred. I'm talking of people not paying attention to (the content of) my posts.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    ~~~~

    I think I will put this article here

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    Erased history: how Rockefeller bankrolled Soviet Russia

    Forgotten history: US bankers financing US enemies—and why it is important now
    by Jon Rappoport Aug 6 , 2018


    In 1971, Gary Allen published his book, None Dare Call it Conspiracy. It quickly became an unofficial best seller.
    Over the years, several million copies have been sold.

    Allen’s thesis was stark: super-rich American capitalists were financing socialism. This bizarre paradox was resolved when socialism was properly understood—not as “power to the people”—but as elite power over the people. In other words, as a hoax.

    These days, the socialist hoax is still unknown to most of the population.

    Cloak a global power grab as progress for all of humanity.

    Here, from chapter six of None Dare Call it Conspiracy, “The Rockefellers and the Reds,” is a devastating passage commenting on the period just after the Russian Revolution of 1917:

    “The Rockefellers assigned their public relations agent, Ivy Lee, to sell the American public the idea that the Bolsheviks were merely misunderstood idealists who were actually kind benefactors of mankind.”

    “Professor Antony Sutton of Stanford University’s Hoover Institution, notes in his highly authoritative Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development:”

    “’Quite predictably…[Ivy] Lee concludes that the communist problem is merely psychological. By this time he is talking about “Russians” (not Communists) and concludes “they are all right.” He suggests the United States should not engage in propaganda; makes a plea for peaceful coexistence; and suggests the United States would find it sound policy to recognize the USSR and advance credits [give loans].’ (Antony Sutton, Western Technology and Soviet Economic Development, 1917-1930, Hoover Institution on War, Revolution and Peace, Stanford University, Calif., 1968, p.292)”

    “After the Bolshevik Revolution, Standard of New Jersey [Rockefeller] bought 50 per cent of the Nobel’s huge Caucasus oil fields even though the property had theoretically been nationalized [by Russia]. (O’Connor, Harvey, The Empire Of Oil, Monthly Review Press, New York, 1955, p.270.)”

    “In 1927, Standard Oil of New York [Rockefeller] built a refinery in Russia, thereby helping the Bolsheviks put their economy back on its feet. Professor Sutton states: ‘This was the first United States investment in Russia since the Revolution.’ (Ibid, Vol.1, p.38)”

    “Shortly thereafter Standard Oil of New York and its subsidiary, Vacuum Oil Company [Rockefeller], concluded a deal to market Soviet oil in European countries and it was reported that a loan of $75,009,000 to the Bolsheviks was arranged. (National Republic, Sept.1927.)”

    “…Wherever Standard Oil would go, Chase National Bank was sure to follow. (The Rockefeller’s Chase Bank was later merged with the Warburg’s Manhattan Bank to form the present Chase Manhattan Bank.) In order to rescue the Bolsheviks, who were supposedly an archenemy, the Chase National Bank was instrumental in establishing the American-Russian Chamber of Commerce in 1922. President of the Chamber was Reeve Schley, a vice-president of Chase National Bank. (Ibid, Vol.11, p.288) According to Professor Sutton: ‘In 1925, negotiations between Chase and [Russian] Prombank extended beyond the finance of raw materials and mapped out a complete program for financing Soviet raw material exports to the U. S. and imports of U. S. cotton and machinery.’ (Ibid, Vol.11, p.226) Sutton also reports that ‘Chase National Bank and the Equitable Trust Company were leaders in the Soviet credit business.’ (Ibid, p.277)”

    “The Rockefeller’s Chase National Bank also was involved in selling Bolshevik bonds in the United States in 1928. Patriotic organizations denounced the Chase as an ‘international fence.’ Chase was called ‘a disgrace to America… They will go to any lengths for a few dollars profits.’ (Ibid, Vol.11, p.291) Congressman Louis McFadden, chairman of the House Banking Committee, maintained in a speech to his fellow Congressmen:”

    “’The Soviet government has been given United States Treasury funds by the Federal Reserve Board and the Federal Reserve Banks acting through the Chase Bank and the Guaranty Trust Company and other banks in New York City.”

    “’Open up the books of Amtorg, the trading organization of the Soviet government in New York, and of Gostorg, the general office of the Soviet Trade Organization, and of the State Bank of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and you will be staggered to see how much American money has been taken from the United States’ Treasury for the benefit of Russia. Find out what business has been transacted for the State Bank of Soviet Russia by its correspondent, the Chase Bank of New York’. (Congressional Record, June 15, 1933.)”

    “But the Rockefellers apparently were not alone in financing the Communist arm of the Insiders’ conspiracy. According to Professor Sutton ‘… there is a report in the State Department files that names Kuhn, Loeb & Co. (the long established and important financial house in New York) as the financier of the [Russians’] First Five Year Plan. See U. S. State Dept. Decimal File, 811.51/3711 and 861.50 FIVE YEAR PLAN/236.’ (Sutton, op. cit., Vol. II, p. 340n.)”

    “Professor Sutton proves conclusively in his three volume history of Soviet technological development that the Soviet Union was almost literally manufactured by the U.S.A…”

    “…Sutton shows that there is hardly a segment of the Soviet economy which is not a result of the transference of Western, particularly American, technology.”

    “This cannot be wholly the result of accident. For fifty years the Federal Reserve-CFR-Rockefeller-lnsider crowd has advocated and carried out policies aimed at increasing the power of their satellite, the Soviet Union. Meanwhile, America spends $75 billion a year on defense to protect itself from the enemy the Insiders are building up.”


    NOTE: The descendants of these bankers are now doing everything they can to build up the story that Donald Trump won the presidency by colluding with Russians. To call this an irony, in view of the above information, would be a vast understatement.

    However, the motives of these current Globalists are clear: regardless of whether Trump meant to keep his promises to destroy Globalism (aka worldwide socialism), his mere mention of Globalism as the enemy, during the presidential campaign, and his declared opposition to Globalist “free trade” treaties, was sufficient to warrant an all-out attack on him.

    The whole idea of nationalism as preferable to Globalism could act as a contagious germ spreading to the people of other countries—so Trump as the face and symbol of such sentiments had to be defamed and crushed.

    Through various front organizations, cutouts, dupes, brainwashed useful idiots, and violent hired thugs, that operation to crush Trump is well underway.

    Again—and this point must be understood—IT DOESN’T MATTER WHETHER TRUMP EVER MEANT TO KEEP HIS PROMISE TO BURY GLOBALISM. THE MERE MENTION OF GLOBALISM AS THE ENEMY WAS AND IS SUFFICIENT TO WARRANT UNCEASING ATTACKS AGAINST HIM.

    Many, many of Trump’s supporters want to see Globalism buried.

    Ultimately, they are the real target of the Globalists, who want to neutralize and disperse them and make them passive and demoralized.

    https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...soviet-russia/
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    Yes agree.

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    Like watching two speeding trains ( narratives ) rushing towards one speeding train, ones on diesel, ones on coal, ones on universal juice lol.

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    The Art of War
    ~Sun Tzu


    "Appear weak when you are strong,
    and strong when you are weak."


    "All warfare is based on deception.
    Hence, when we are able to attack,
    we must seem unable;
    when using our forces,
    we must appear inactive;
    when we are near,
    we must make the enemy believe we are far away;
    when far away,
    we must make him believe we are near."


    "The skillful employer of men will employ
    the wise man, the brave man,
    the covetous man, and the stupid man."
    "Oh Great Spirit, help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence." — Cherokee Prayer

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    Quote Originally posted by Melidae View Post
    The Art of War
    ~Sun Tzu



    "The skillful employer of men will employ
    the wise man, the brave man,
    the covetous man, and the stupid man."
    I particularly enjoyed this part.
    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

    "Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."-- Eleanor Roosevelt

    "Misery loves company. Wisdom has to look for it." -- Anonymous

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    And the skillful employer plays the long game.

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    Quote Originally posted by Melidae View Post
    The Art of War
    ~Sun Tz

    "The skillful employer of men will employ
    the wise man, the brave man,
    the covetous man, and the stupid man."
    the sun don't hold the patent on that one cuz there's a lot of it going around in the minds of many an employer who might, if they were up front about it would call them assets to be capitalized upon when the time calls for it.

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    As for most, life is a war as such, imo to win joy and content n one bein balanced to share n ripple oneself is ones war won, suffering signposts the divides of the war, misery the defeat conceded n rippling this the gaining pain, maybe to awaken or die to who one is not, at war, or death to circle again.

    Tisa an Art indeed.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Tisa an Art indeed.
    Another 'Art" is connecting what I posted and how it applies to this thread! I really thought I was stating the obvious. Apparently not.

    In the beginning (no, it's not going to be that long) I was thinking about how everything has become political, and how people have become polarized, chosen sides. It has become difficult to remain neutral and observe. One thought led to another, and another...until I could not get Sun Tzu's book out of my mind...so much so that I had to read it again. And there it was. So obvious.

    Yes, there is a war going on...not as we imagine war, but war nonetheless. You could call it many things...nationalists/populists vs. globalists...Trump administration vs the deep state/shadow government...etc. Whatever you want to call it, "The Art of War" is in play...at a very high level.

    "All the world is a stage..." We see what each side wants us to see, and know what each side wants us to know. But so much more is going on behind the scenes...most of which we may never know about even when all is said and done.

    How can we believe what we 'see' or think we know when 'the art of war' is afoot? when weak can appear strong, and strong appear weak... Things are not always as they seem to be.

    Interesting times...
    "Oh Great Spirit, help me always to speak the truth quietly, to listen with an open mind when others speak, and to remember the peace that may be found in silence." — Cherokee Prayer

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    Quote Originally posted by Melidae View Post
    Another 'Art" is connecting what I posted and how it applies to this thread! I really thought I was stating the obvious. Apparently not.

    In the beginning (no, it's not going to be that long) I was thinking about how everything has become political, and how people have become polarized, chosen sides. It has become difficult to remain neutral and observe. One thought led to another, and another...until I could not get Sun Tzu's book out of my mind...so much so that I had to read it again. And there it was. So obvious.

    Yes, there is a war going on...not as we imagine war, but war nonetheless. You could call it many things...nationalists/populists vs. globalists...Trump administration vs the deep state/shadow government...etc. Whatever you want to call it, "The Art of War" is in play...at a very high level.

    "All the world is a stage..." We see what each side wants us to see, and know what each side wants us to know. But so much more is going on behind the scenes...most of which we may never know about even when all is said and done.

    How can we believe what we 'see' or think we know when 'the art of war' is afoot? when weak can appear strong, and strong appear weak... Things are not always as they seem to be.

    Interesting times...
    A lot of insight in this Melidae. Thank you...

    How can we believe what we 'see' or think we know when 'the art of war' is afoot? when weak can appear strong, and strong appear weak... Things are not always as they seem to be.
    When we can feel it we will know it...

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