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    I plan to listen/watch, but I won't have the time until after tomorrow, at best.

    I don't know how long it's been since I mentioned this, but I have a friend who has more guns and ammo than he can realistically use and is available for instruction as needed. He also makes his own ammo.

    I have another friend who is not only well armed but well trained. And I have a couple others who have special training and experience. Not to mention the military types.

    Anywho...

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    don't we all...this is America, after all...
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Again this subject matter is most purposely to do about the 1st Amendment, not the 2nd, what is so difficult to grasp here?
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    what is the 1st amendment, Fred?...I'm an illegal immigrant...
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    I'm unsure of the genesis of your question, Fred? Who's not addressing what?

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    The article finishes with this statement:

    ...anyone who wants to defend themselves and their family, should be able to do so in any manner they see fit — as the only other option is tyranny.
    That's pretty much standard 2nd Amendment talk.

    I'm curious, Fred, why it is you say that this is really about the 1st.

    Is it simply that we need the 2nd to protect the 1st? That is the usual reason why gun rights advocates talk mostly about the 2nd.

    There have been regular guns available for a very long time. Those guns go all over the world. Women in their huts could have been given guns ages ago.

    As far as these women go, the fact is that small loans to women in third world countries which enable them to start their own businesses have had a much larger and more beneficial effect than any guns have.

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    I see, it's the fact that Cody downloaded the info for printing the guns and that's protected by the 1st amendment.

    It was a ballsy thing to do, and I'm glad he did it.

    My friend explained to me that you still have to have a metal top to the gun. The plastic doesn't work for all parts.

    It's deliciously ironic, really.
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    In addition, the printing technology is not accessible by just anyone...One has to have the resources to afford it...like an organization dedicated to ludicrous social principles.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I see, it's the fact that Cody downloaded the info for printing the guns and that's protected by the 1st amendment.

    It was a ballsy thing to do, and I'm glad he did it.
    Yes, exactly, the more I watch his interviews from over the years, the more I see he's a natural born revolutionary of the rarest breed. His ideas and actions not only transcend the typical gun debate, they transcend the way established power in general is challenged.

    I don't necessarily agree with him on everything, but that's irrelevant, the way he likes to poke big brother in the eye and challenge him in ways he never saw coming, IMO is in the truest spirit of what these forums are supposed to be about.

    There are some amazing people roaming the Earth these days, the likes of which will likely feature in future history books like Martin Luther King, Nikola Tesla, Henry Ford, etc.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Well said, Fred.

    Wasn't that a band name?

    Oh wait, that was Right Said Fred.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    There are some amazing people roaming the Earth these days, the likes of which will likely feature in future history books like Martin Luther King, Nikola Tesla, Henry Ford, etc.
    ypu, yup, yup, absolutely!!!

    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    There are some amazing people roaming the Earth these days, the likes of which will likely feature in future history books like Martin Luther King, Nikola Tesla, Henry Ford, etc.
    ypu, yup, yup, absolutely!!!

    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    There are some amazing people roaming the Earth these days, the likes of which will likely feature in future history books like Martin Luther King, Nikola Tesla, Henry Ford, etc.
    yup, yup, yup, absolutely!!!

    sorry for the dups. tried to post and got a fatal error saying no more PM's to fred until his box is cleared. glitch i guess?
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    You, or we, can edit out the repeats in your post. Looks like third time was the charm. YPU!

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    thank you. but as it turns out, in this case 3 yup yup yup's is better'n yup yup yup...

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    You, or we, can edit out the repeats in your post. Looks like third time was the charm. YPU!
    It's charming...that's what I picked up as well.
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    Quote Originally posted by palooka's revenge View Post
    sorry for the dups. tried to post and got a fatal error saying no more PM's to fred until his box is cleared. glitch i guess?
    You can always edit out the duplicates from your own post, and I also always recommend clicking the "Go Advanced" button when replying. That way, you get the option of seeing a preview of your post before you submit it.

    As for the error regarding Fred's mailbox and the occurrence of the duplicates, it is apparently a bug in this version of vBulletin, because I got it too earlier this week when replying to a post by Fred. I also got to see lots of gibberish — read: raw XML code — along with the error message, and when trying to refresh the page in my browser, I saw that I too had a duplicate, albeit that in my case, it was two duplicate but separate posts.

    Maybe it is indeed triggered by Fred's mailbox being full — I have no way of ascertaining that — but if so, then it would be futile for me try and send him another PM in order to ask him to empty it.

    I'll try with a visitor message.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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