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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not for unfettered, uncontrolled mass illegal immigration. That brings its own problems. However, controlled and regulated legal immigration, with limits placed on it, is generally beneficial........
    Thanks, Chris. That’s how Donald Trump thinks about immigration as well.

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    Ain't no such thing, old buddy. (Borrowed from Carl Weathers in "Predator".)
    True, I should have put “white hat” in quotes, or maybe gray hat...
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    If it wasn't for Obama and Seth Meyers goading him on that now historic White House Correspondent's dinner roasting, he would have probably never run anyway.
    bingo, u read the mail right on that one chris. u could see it in his eyes... i'm gonna get that f---er...

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    I can make this one a short one.

    Russophobia doesn't exist. Russian manipulation, criminality, imperialism, paranoia, propaganda milling, and in general having an a-hole as a leader is, in fact, a reality.

    Why place a label on something that is essentially meaningless. Put it in perspective...Ever heard of the Red Scare led by another leader of the paranoid phobics, McCarthy. Big, big, big difference, one term is applicable, the other is flailing in the dark while waving a propagandized meme.

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    Thanks, Chris. That’s how Donald Trump thinks about immigration as well.
    no, that's how Trump 'pretends' to think about it. He is a xenophobic, racist, elitist, mindless idiot. No understanding of history, social consciousness, social realities, psychological realities, psychology as taught to 3rd graders, genetics, or anything else and further doesn't care beyond his ability to manipulate the half-wits that are in the same intellectual basket as him.
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    Since we're talking about Trump here, who better to sum up the shitstorm we find ourselves in than Jonathan Pie.


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    Look, Russian has walked thru a lot of sh!t in the last century plus. Now they have a strong, agressive leader who has led them to stronger economic times, living standards are better, and he shoves back against the Khazarian Kontrolled US and Europe.

    I can’t fault them. Especially since Putin could have been much more aggressive at times, but declined to do so. What’s wrong with a strong, tough leader especially in this nasty environment?
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    well, there's the little matter of killing detractors whether they are poor farmers or heads of state.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Look, Russian has walked thru a lot of sh!t in the last century plus. Now they have a strong, agressive leader who has led them to stronger economic times, living standards are better, and he shoves back against the Khazarian Kontrolled US and Europe.

    I can’t fault them. Especially since Putin could have been much more aggressive at times, but declined to do so. What’s wrong with a strong, tough leader especially in this nasty environment?
    I get your point, but it is really a lot more complicated than that. First of all Jews and Khazars are not the same people. Yes, I know about Shlomo Sand and Arthur Koestler, but at this point it is almost impossible to pick apart what really happened to the Khazars, or what percentage of today's Ashkenazim are descended from the medieval Khazar people. According to mainstream History, Hungarians in fact are at least one third Khazar. When our ancestors settled in the Carpathian Basin, they left what was then Khazaria and took four Khazar tribes with them. Seven Magyar and Four Khazar tribes settled here, mixing with populations that were already present, such as Slavs, Romanians, Avars and Germans, to form what is now considered the Hungarian people. It is not known if Hungarian Jews (such as George Soros, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, etc...) are descended from this medieval Khazar population, but it is unlikely. At the time, in the 9th century, the chieftains of both the Hungarian and Khazar tribes were nominally Jewish, that is they converted to Judaism, for reasons of political expediency. The general population however was not Jewish, they continued following shamanism as their religion, which, having come from Siberia, was not unlike the religious beliefs of native Americans in the US today. In 1000 AD, all inhabitants of the Kingdom of Hungary, which covered a vast area at the time, were forcibly converted to Christianity, including the descendants of the Khazars, whether they followed Judaism at the time or not (unlikely).

    Quite separately from the Khazar-Jewish enigma, whatever you may think of that, it is a fact that the vast majority of Oligarchs in Russia that got rich through political connections and the privatisation of state assets, which they obtained for next to nothing, were in fact Jewish. You could say that Putin reigned in these mostly Jewish Oligarchs, but that's not really true, it is more accurate to say that they came to a mutually beneficial agreement and an alliance of sorts. Those that opposed Putin, were jailed, murdered or were exiled, but the ones that stayed on his good side (such as Roman Abramovich, now an Israeli citizen), were allowed to keep their ill-gotten riches.

    It gets more complicated still, because Israel has a very strong Russian element to its population. Up to one-third of the population of Israel is made up of ethnic Russians, who mostly moved there after the collapse of the Soviet Union under Israeli right of return laws. It is now widely believed that many of these so-called Russian Jews have almost no actual Jewish ancestry, or if they do, only very tentatively. They are in fact sometimes openly anti-semitic and form a very strong far-right element in Israel itself, being mostly responsible for the hard-right turn of the latest Netanyahu government. He is the most moderate person in that government, almost all of his allies are hard-right ideologues, who often call for the extermination of the Palestinian people and openly refer to them as vermin. There is also an extreme racial hierarchy with Ethiopian Jews for instance clearly treated as second-class citizens.

    Since both Netanyahu and Putin are essentially of the far-right and in charge of a population with strong cultural and historical connections to Russia, they have started coming together in recent years. Orbán has been acting as a sort of intermediary, since he has been a close friend of Netanyahu for decades (they help each other a lot politically) and is also quite close to Putin, and now, apparently Trump. All these people are democrats on the surface only, once you dig deeper, the authoritarian tendencies and the far-right ideology becomes obvious. Orbán is a fan of Steve Bannon and Breitbart. Putin is a fan of Alex Jones and Infowars, as is Trump. Roger Stone is almost certainly a Putin operative. There are probably many others we don't know of. There is in fact a growing international right-wing conspiracy to usurp democracy and overturn the post-war Western Liberal Order. This is a real thing and a real threat. Unfortunately the alt-right and much of the alternative research scene has been co-opted by this movement and they are toppling governments and getting into power one country after another. Austria and Italy were just the latest examples.

    As for Putin, he may be tough and strong, but he is also a crook and the leader of a vast crime and spy network that is utterly ruthless and murders people in its way as a matter of course. Netanyahu, Trump and Orbán cannot do this yet, as there is still a semblance of democracy and the rule of law in their countries, but who knows how long this will last. Hungary is already far gone in the direction of becoming a right-wing dictatorship, and I'm afraid the US isn't far behind on current form. It is in the interests of Putin to accelerate this process, a sort of alt-right coup and the consequences could be quite dire. It is not too late to turn this around, but it is rather disheartening that most people aren't aware that this is even happening. It is even more disturbing from my perspective, that what I consider my intellectual and ideological brethren, the alternative and conspiracy research community, is not only cheering this process on, but is a major part of the problem and helping this right-wing globalist dictatorship become a reality.
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    Great post, Chris...
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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    I get your point, but it is really a lot more complicated than that. First of all Jews and Khazars are not the same people. Yes, I know about Shlomo Sand and Arthur Koestler, but at this point it is almost impossible to pick apart what really happened to the Khazars, or what percentage of today's Ashkenazim are descended from the medieval Khazar people. According to mainstream History, Hungarians in fact are at least one third Khazar. When our ancestors settled in the Carpathian Basin, they left what was then Khazaria and took four Khazar tribes with them. Seven Magyar and Four Khazar tribes settled here, mixing with populations that were already present, such as Slavs, Romanians, Avars and Germans, to form what is now considered the Hungarian people. It is not known if Hungarian Jews (such as George Soros, Edward Teller, John Von Neumann, etc...) are descended from this medieval Khazar population, but it is unlikely. At the time, in the 9th century, the chieftains of both the Hungarian and Khazar tribes were nominally Jewish, that is they converted to Judaism, for reasons of political expediency. The general population however was not Jewish, they continued following shamanism as their religion, which, having come from Siberia, was not unlike the religious beliefs of native Americans in the US today. In 1000 AD, all inhabitants of the Kingdom of Hungary, which covered a vast area at the time, were forcibly converted to Christianity, including the descendants of the Khazars, whether they followed Judaism at the time or not (unlikely).

    Quite separately from the Khazar-Jewish enigma, whatever you may think of that, it is a fact that the vast majority of Oligarchs in Russia that got rich through political connections and the privatisation of state assets, which they obtained for next to nothing, were in fact Jewish. You could say that Putin reigned in these mostly Jewish Oligarchs, but that's not really true, it is more accurate to say that they came to a mutually beneficial agreement and an alliance of sorts. Those that opposed Putin, were jailed, murdered or were exiled, but the ones that stayed on his good side (such as Roman Abramovich, now an Israeli citizen), were allowed to keep their ill-gotten riches.

    It gets more complicated still, because Israel has a very strong Russian element to its population. Up to one-third of the population of Israel is made up of ethnic Russians, who mostly moved there after the collapse of the Soviet Union under Israeli right of return laws. It is now widely believed that many of these so-called Russian Jews have almost no actual Jewish ancestry, or if they do, only very tentatively. They are in fact sometimes openly anti-semitic and form a very strong far-right element in Israel itself, being mostly responsible for the hard-right turn of the latest Netanyahu government. He is the most moderate person in that government, almost all of his allies are hard-right ideologues, who often call for the extermination of the Palestinian people and openly refer to them as vermin. There is also an extreme racial hierarchy with Ethiopian Jews for instance clearly treated as second-class citizens.

    Since both Netanyahu and Putin are essentially of the far-right and in charge of a population with strong cultural and historical connections to Russia, they have started coming together in recent years. Orbán has been acting as a sort of intermediary, since he has been a close friend of Netanyahu for decades (they help each other a lot politically) and is also quite close to Putin, and now, apparently Trump. All these people are democrats on the surface only, once you dig deeper, the authoritarian tendencies and the far-right ideology becomes obvious. Orbán is a fan of Steve Bannon and Breitbart. Putin is a fan of Alex Jones and Infowars, as is Trump. Roger Stone is almost certainly a Putin operative. There are probably many others we don't know of. There is in fact a growing international right-wing conspiracy to usurp democracy and overturn the post-war Western Liberal Order. This is a real thing and a real threat. Unfortunately the alt-right and much of the alternative research scene has been co-opted by this movement and they are toppling governments and getting into power one country after another. Austria and Italy were just the latest examples.

    As for Putin, he may be tough and strong, but he is also a crook and the leader of a vast crime and spy network that is utterly ruthless and murders people in its way as a matter of course. Netanyahu, Trump and Orbán cannot do this yet, as there is still a semblance of democracy and the rule of law in their countries, but who knows how long this will last. Hungary is already far gone in the direction of becoming a right-wing dictatorship, and I'm afraid the US isn't far behind on current form. It is in the interests of Putin to accelerate this process, a sort of alt-right coup and the consequences could be quite dire. It is not too late to turn this around, but it is rather disheartening that most people aren't aware that this is even happening. It is even more disturbing from my perspective, that what I consider my intellectual and ideological brethren, the alternative and conspiracy research community, is not only cheering this process on, but is a major part of the problem and helping this right-wing globalist dictatorship become a reality.
    I appreciate this perspective. I am an avid reader of Russian history, especially the Soviet Revolution. This came from my “know your enemy” days in the US military. I’ve also done a fair bit of digging into the Khazarian-Jewish connection.

    I’m not here to damn anybody. But I do like to try on other folks “shoes” to see their perspective. But, I will admit to goading folks a bit.

    I blame that on the Devil...
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    I appreciate this perspective. I am an avid reader of Russian history, especially the Soviet Revolution. This came from my “know your enemy” days in the US military. I’ve also done a fair bit of digging into the Khazarian-Jewish connection.

    I’m not here to damn anybody. But I do like to try on other folks “shoes” to see their perspective. But, I will admit to goading folks a bit.

    I blame that on the Devil...
    Just to provide a contrary perspective to my own post above, I am a big fan of Dmitry Orlov, a Russian-American Engineer, Physicist, Linguist and Author, who writes about Putin in glowing terms. I think he'd be right up your alley, if you want to check him out. I have been following him since 2007. I think he's absolutely spot on when it comes to his analysis of the US, Global geopolitics, the psychology and inner workings of collapse (particularly that of the Soviet Union) and many other topics. I do think he's far too biased towards Russia and Putin and against the US and Britain. I fundamentally disagree with him on the Topic of Russia, but I still think he's a valuable public intellectual, whose ideas should be considered carefully.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Just to provide a contrary perspective to my own post above, I am a big fan of Dmitry Orlov, a Russian-American Engineer, Physicist, Linguist and Author, who writes about Putin in glowing terms. I think he'd be right up your alley, if you want to check him out. I have been following him since 2007. I think he's absolutely spot on when it comes to his analysis of the US, Global geopolitics, the psychology and inner workings of collapse (particularly that of the Soviet Union) and many other topics. I do think he's far too biased towards Russia and Putin and against the US and Britain. I fundamentally disagree with him on the Topic of Russia, but I still think he's a valuable public intellectual, whose ideas should be considered carefully.

    http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/
    Thanks! Your post and perspective is why I hang out at “woo-woo” sites like TOT as I feel there is a bit of truth in almost all perspectives.

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    David Wicock’s Divine Cosmos site has gone dark. No updates, no upcoming events, no David.

    Have all the Blue Chicken folks have gone silent?

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Thanks! Your post and perspective is why I hang out at “woo-woo” sites like TOT as I feel there is a bit of truth in almost all perspectives.

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    David Wicock’s Divine Cosmos site has gone dark. No updates, no upcoming events, no David.

    Have all the Blue Chicken folks have gone silent?

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    Thanks, likewise.

    The David Wilcock / Corey Goode / Gaia TV debacle is rather interesting. I'm afraid we have a fox in the hen house situation going on right now...

    If you keep lying about stuff and deceiving your audience, eventually the (blue) chickens will come home to roost


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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    Thanks, likewise.

    The David Wilcock / Corey Goode / Gaia TV debacle is rather interesting. I'm afraid we have a fox in the hen house situation going on right now...

    If you keep lying about stuff and deceiving your audience, eventually the (blue) chickens will come home to roost
    My perspective is: David, Corey and Emery are telling things as they see them. The guys pulling to wool over their eyes are the Agarthians who have a very vested interest in maintaining the time line that results in them occurring. Partial truths everywhere.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    My perspective is: David, Corey and Emery are telling things as they see them. The guys pulling to wool over their eyes are the Agarthians who have a very vested interest in maintaining the time line that results in them occurring. Partial truths everywhere.
    Those are the ones residing in the Underworld, right? Not exactly a fan here...

    I certainly wouldn't put it past them to try and deceive the surface population. That is in fact pretty much all they do. If they exist at all of course. I would still like some concrete proof that they really are down there. Drill, baby, drill...

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