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    Here’s an idea:

    White hats (military) recruit Trump, Trump being the lesser of all the evils in the political world, especially the Hildabeast. They view him like the allies in WWII view Stalin: bad, but much better than the wolf closest to the sled of Hitler. They promise him (fingers crossed) that when the smoke clears, they’ll “take care of him.” Trump, knowing the fallout that could happen, says yes, but still is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

    The secret war rages on, with Trump, unable keep his mouth shut, and goaded on by the white hats, creates a massive sideshow to keep the public “enthralled” and the black hats occupied in spite of all sorts of evidence emerging regarding the secret war. Classic diversionary tactic. Meanwhile, one domino falls after another in Trump’s administration. The white hats really don’t care as they have their hands full, plus if Trump happens to go, they pull a coup and declare Martial Law as a last resort. But they really would rather not do this as keeping the public diverted is best in all cases.

    War continues with white hats eventually winning. If Trump gets taken down, oh well, “we didn’t like Stalin either” but he creates a perfect diversion. If Trump survives, the white hats won’t send him off to Gitmo with the Bushs, Hildabeast, and Billy-Bob.

    Btw, in WWII the bulk of the fighting happen on the Eastern front with the Soviets taking the most casualties. They are the ones who really won the war against the Nazis. Eventually they succumbed to a long Cold War, unable to completely rebuild out of the destruction of WWII. The US, which never had any fighting in its borders, uses its economic engine to eventually grind down the Soviets.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Btw, in WWII the bulk of the fighting happen on the Eastern front with the Soviets taking the most casualties. They are the ones who really won the war against the Nazis. Eventually they succumbed to a long Cold War, unable to completely rebuild out of the destruction of WWII. The US, which never had any fighting in its borders, uses its economic engine to eventually grind down the Soviets.
    I have to correct you there slightly. Until June 1941, Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union were close allies. If it wasn't for the British Empire standing up to the Nazis at the time, the war would have ended in 1939. Even after Hitler attacked the SU, Britain's support was vital in keeping the Soviets in the war. 75 percent of the tanks that fought the Battle of Moscow, beating the Nazis back for the very first time, were British. After that, the brutal winter of 1941-42 was vital in stopping the German advance and Soviet Russia would have fallen if it wasn't for that vital lifeline the Royal Navy provided from Britain to the port of Archangel (Arkhangelsk), supplying the Red Army with everything it needed. Massive amounts of war material, food, planes, tanks, etc... were transported in what was known as the Arctic Convoys. Most of the fighting was indeed done by the Soviets, but they did it mostly with war material provided first by Britain and her Empire (Including Canada, India, Australia, etc...) and later the US.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Btw, in WWII the bulk of the fighting happen on the Eastern front with the Soviets taking the most casualties. They are the ones who really won the war against the Nazis. Eventually they succumbed to a long Cold War, unable to completely rebuild out of the destruction of WWII. The US, which never had any fighting in its borders, uses its economic engine to eventually grind down the Soviets.

    This is only partly true. What killed off the Soviet Union as a regime was a combination of multiple things...:


    • Like you said, the US financial-economical machine and its corporate hegemony. The entire world is ruled by capitalism and corporatism, and as such, (proto-)socialist regimes have to function as enclaves within that system, given that no nation in the world is entirely economically self-sufficient. There will always be a necessity for trade with other nations.

      The Soviets and other proto-socialist regimes — i.e. Cuba, North Vietnam, North Korea and China — could partly compensate for this by trading among themselves, but ultimately, this proved insufficient to meet their respective needs, and thus they also had to start trading with capitalist countries.


    • Jimmy Carter's security adviser was Zbigniew Brzezinski, who single-handedly orchestrated that the Soviet Union would invade Afghanistan, and then funded and, by way of the Saudi mercenary Osama Bin Laden — known to the CIA as "Tim Osman" — trained the Afghani resistance movement, the Mujahedin.

      The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was an incredibly bloody and brutal war, with lots of casualties on both sides. As a result, both the Soviet military and the Soviet political leadership at the time took a serious beating.


    • Related to the second paragraph of the above bullet point, albeit somewhat independent from it at the same time, was the infiltration of the Soviet regime by the Russian oligarchs. This started with Mikhail Gorbachev, and after Gorbachev had been temporarily removed as leader of the Soviet Union by the die-hard communists and then reinstated again by Boris Yeltsin with the help from the Russian military, Yeltsin himself then became the new leader, and the Soviet Union was converted into what is now the Russian Federation.

      After that, oligarch henchman and former head of the FSB — itself the successor to the KGB — Vladimir Putin then rose to power, and has been firmly in control since. At one point he had to step down because he had served his two terms as president and the Russian constitution did not allow him to run for a third term, but then he had his own henchman Dimitry Medvedev be president for one term while he himself carried out the role of prime minister. After that one term, the conditions were met again for Putin to return as president, and then he and Medvedev simply switched places again.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    This is only partly true. What killed off the Soviet Union as a regime was a combination of multiple things...:


    • Like you said, the US financial-economical machine and its corporate hegemony. The entire world is ruled by capitalism and corporatism, and as such, (proto-)socialist regimes have to function as enclaves within that system, given that no nation in the world is entirely economically self-sufficient. There will always be a necessity for trade with other nations.

      The Soviets and other proto-socialist regimes — i.e. Cuba, North Vietnam, North Korea and China — could partly compensate for this by trading among themselves, but ultimately, this proved insufficient to meet their respective needs, and thus they also had to start trading with capitalist countries.


    • Jimmy Carter's security adviser was Zbigniew Brzezinski, who single-handedly orchestrated that the Soviet Union would invade Afghanistan, and then funded and, by way of the Saudi mercenary Osama Bin Laden — known to the CIA as "Tim Osman" — trained the Afghani resistance movement, the Mujahedin.

      The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was an incredibly bloody and brutal war, with lots of casualties on both sides. As a result, both the Soviet military and the Soviet political leadership at the time took a serious beating.


    • Related to the second paragraph of the above bullet point, albeit somewhat independent from it at the same time, was the infiltration of the Soviet regime by the Russian oligarchs. This started with Mikhail Gorbachev, and after Gorbachev had been temporarily removed as leader of the Soviet Union by the die-hard communists and then reinstated again by Boris Yeltsin with the help from the Russian military, Yeltsin himself then became the new leader, and the Soviet Union was converted into what is now the Russian Federation.

      After that, oligarch henchman and former head of the FSB — itself the successor to the KGB — Vladimir Putin then rose to power, and has been firmly in control since. At one point he had to step down because he had served his two terms as president and the Russian constitution did not allow him to run for a third term, but then he had his own henchman Dimitry Medvedev be president for one term while he himself carried out the role of prime minister. After that one term, the conditions were met again for Putin to return as president, and then he and Medvedev simply switched places again.
    Those are all good points, though ultimately what killed the USSR was the collapse in Oil prices. The USSR was dependent on grain imports from the West, mostly from the US, ironically, and paid for it with Oil exports. It didn't really produce much else of value. Even Hungary's prosperity in the 1980s (which was considerable compared to its Eastern Block neighbours in the seventies and the eighties) had a lot to do with the utter stupidity of Soviet central planning, where cheap energy (Oil, Gas and Nuclear power) was sent to Hungary for next to nothing and sold on to Austria at a massive profit. However, what killed the golden goose for the SU was the simultaneous coming on of the Alaskan and North Sea oil and gas fields, as well as a scheme concocted by the State Department and the Saudi royals in the late eighties, to flood the market with below-cost oil, collapsing the oil price and making the SU's only exportable commodity next to worthless, as well as unnecessary from a supply standpoint. That was really the final straw that broke the camel's back and the very reverse, a shortage of oil and a spike in prices almost did the same to the US in 2007.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Here’s an idea:

    White hats (military) recruit Trump, Trump being the lesser of all the evils in the political world, especially the Hildabeast. They view him like the allies in WWII view Stalin: bad, but much better than the wolf closest to the sled of Hitler. They promise him (fingers crossed) that when the smoke clears, they’ll “take care of him.” Trump, knowing the fallout that could happen, says yes, but still is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

    The secret war rages on, with Trump, unable keep his mouth shut, and goaded on by the white hats, creates a massive sideshow to keep the public “enthralled” and the black hats occupied in spite of all sorts of evidence emerging regarding the secret war. Classic diversionary tactic. Meanwhile, one domino falls after another in Trump’s administration. The white hats really don’t care as they have their hands full, plus if Trump happens to go, they pull a coup and declare Martial Law as a last resort. But they really would rather not do this as keeping the public diverted is best in all cases.

    War continues with white hats eventually winning. If Trump gets taken down, oh well, “we didn’t like Stalin either” but he creates a perfect diversion. If Trump survives, the white hats won’t send him off to Gitmo with the Bushs, Hildabeast, and Billy-Bob.

    Btw, in WWII the bulk of the fighting happen on the Eastern front with the Soviets taking the most casualties. They are the ones who really won the war against the Nazis. Eventually they succumbed to a long Cold War, unable to completely rebuild out of the destruction of WWII. The US, which never had any fighting in its borders, uses its economic engine to eventually grind down the Soviets.
    yes indeed. but the puppet, with so many 'playable personality defects upon which to prey' is being played to dance in far more than diversion. he is instead co-oped and left to believe he is running the show. the perfect operative...

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Here’s an idea:

    White hats (military) recruit Trump, Trump being the lesser of all the evils in the political world, especially the Hildabeast. They view him like the allies in WWII view Stalin: bad, but much better than the wolf closest to the sled of Hitler. They promise him (fingers crossed) that when the smoke clears, they’ll “take care of him.” Trump, knowing the fallout that could happen, says yes, but still is not the sharpest tool in the shed.

    The secret war rages on, with Trump, unable keep his mouth shut, and goaded on by the white hats, creates a massive sideshow to keep the public “enthralled” and the black hats occupied in spite of all sorts of evidence emerging regarding the secret war. Classic diversionary tactic. Meanwhile, one domino falls after another in Trump’s administration. The white hats really don’t care as they have their hands full, plus if Trump happens to go, they pull a coup and declare Martial Law as a last resort. But they really would rather not do this as keeping the public diverted is best in all cases.

    War continues with white hats eventually winning. If Trump gets taken down, oh well, “we didn’t like Stalin either” but he creates a perfect diversion. If Trump survives, the white hats won’t send him off to Gitmo with the Bushs, Hildabeast, and Billy-Bob.

    Btw, in WWII the bulk of the fighting happen on the Eastern front with the Soviets taking the most casualties. They are the ones who really won the war against the Nazis. Eventually they succumbed to a long Cold War, unable to completely rebuild out of the destruction of WWII. The US, which never had any fighting in its borders, uses its economic engine to eventually grind down the Soviets.
    So, in the balance...in the past the U.S. would have been preferable as a world leader given that it has at least a pretense of practicing Democracy...now it really doesn't matter...Take your pick...Putin or Trump...choose your favorite dictator.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    So, in the balance...in the past the U.S. would have been preferable as a world leader given that it has at least a pretense of practicing Democracy...now it really doesn't matter...Take your pick...Putin or Trump...choose your favorite dictator.
    i'm highly suspicious that more and more and more, around the world, it was becoming clearer and clearer and clearer, that PRETENSE is all it ever was and this played a role on deeper layers of the cake in trump coming to power.

    that presentation being, in many cases, carried out over many years by well meaning minions totally oblivious to the fact they were being played.

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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    So, in the balance...in the past the U.S. would have been preferable as a world leader given that it has at least a pretense of practicing Democracy...now it really doesn't matter...Take your pick...Putin or Trump...choose your favorite dictator.
    ...or Martial Law. Actually, that is really what we are under. Trump is the puppet, the hand is the white hat military.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    [...] the white hat military.
    Ain't no such thing, old buddy. (Borrowed from Carl Weathers in "Predator".)
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    Trump is a wannabe dictator, not an actual one. Putin is in a whole another league, he is a vicious, murderous ex-KGB spymaster and a mob boss. He is rumoured to be the richest man alive. Erdogan isn't far behind, with his billion-dollar palace and his illegal oil deals with Isis. Trump doesn't even play in the same league, he is a real(i)ty star who has been thrusted in the role of president more or less by accident. If it wasn't for Obama and Seth Meyers goading him on that now historic White House Correspondent's dinner roasting, he would have probably never run anyway.

    As it is, he has serious dementia, probably due to lack of sleep. He has never slept more than 3-4 hours a night during his entire adult life and this is now beginning to take its toll. To those that are his fans, I'm sorry to say that he is a non-entity on the world stage and nobody takes him seriously. Everyone knows that he isn't the one making the important decisions and other leaders just try to ignore him as much as possible and deal with the adults in the State Department instead.


    Trump does have mob connections, but he's nowhere near the top of the hierarchy, he's just a useful asset for the actual bosses. Putin is a boss, Trump is a minion, big difference.

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    ~~~~

    Why the Deep State Hates Putin

    by Chris Kanthan
    Thu, 03 May 2018

    Russophobia in America today is as intense as it was at the height of Cold War when terrified school kids had "Duck and Cover" drills and the public was obsessed with bomb shelters. However, all the drama hides the real conflict: geopolitical power struggle for world domination, which involves hundreds of trillions of dollars, massive egos of Machiavellian elites, and nations driven by memory of the past and visions of the future.

    Here's the big picture: it's a geopolitical battle of USA + EU versus Russia + China. The US and EU are governed by the same banking and military-industrial overlords, while Russia and China - two independent countries - have made an alliance out of necessity. Why? If Russia falls, China will be the next.

    Get the bear, you get the dragon, and thus you get the world.

    But here is the kicker: the globalists did trap the bear in 1991 when the USSR collapsed. However, rather than befriending the bear, they caged it and then starved, tortured and humiliated it for the next eight years. That's when the bear tore down the cage and fought back.

    Betrayal in the 1990's

    The biggest theft of the century happened in Russia in the 1990's, and the perpetrators were Wall Street shysters who promised miracles of capitalism, but instead dismantled the entire country. In the name of privatization, Russia was put up for fire sale. A handful of Russian oligarchs, carefully selected by the US, ended up with assets worth hundreds of billions of dollars. In exchange, each Russian citizen got a "share" worth $7. The US taxpayers even subsidized this disgusting racket.

    Under this shock therapy administered by American vulture capitalists, Russia's GDP fell 40%. The country was loaded up with crushing debt from the IMF and World Bank, and poverty and suicide soared.

    The Russian military was decimated, demoralized and was badly losing wars to Islamic terrorists in Chechnya and Dagestan. Oh, these terrorists were the same Mujahideen from Afghanistan and were still funded by Saudi Arabia and armed by the US.

    Most Russian politicians, including President Yeltsin, were bought off and controlled by Washington, as Bill Clinton bragged to Tony Blair.

    Putin's Empire

    Under these dreadful circumstances, Putin became the Acting President of Russia on Dec 31, 1999. Over the next few years, he took on the powerful oligarchs, corrupt politicians and the elites who formed the fifth column. Putin was helped by rising oil prices, but he used the new wealth wisely. He grew the Russian economy, built up gold and foreign reserves, and significantly reduced the national debt.

    1. Between 1999 and 2014, Russia's GDP grew 10-fold and it's world rank surged from 22nd to 8th
    2. Russia's debt-to-GDP ratio fell from 100% in 1999 to 17% in 2016
    3. Foreign reserves grew from virtually nothing to the 6th largest in the world
    4. Gold reserves grew to become the 5th largest in the world

    Putin started RT - Russia's own global news channel, banned GMO, turned Russia into the #1 exporter of wheat, kicked out George Soros, and fought Cultural Marxism. He built over 15,000 churches, encouraged families to have more children, and banned transgender/gay propaganda to children.

    Finally, Putin rebuilt Russia's military, crushed Islamic terrorists in Chechnya and, in a geopolitical stunner that transpired in Syria, prevailed against a mighty coalition of the US, Israel, UK, France, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, Qatar and up to 250,000 jihadists. Also, rather than getting into an arms race, Putin has developed hypersonic missiles which have made the former ability of US defense systems and aircraft carriers to attack other nations with impunity moot.

    Putin's diplomacy has also been remarkable. After the 2014 US sanctions and the precipitous fall in oil prices, every pundit and politician predicted the isolation of Putin and the demise of Russia's economy. However, leaders around the world continued to work with Putin.

    In other words, Putin made Russia great again. This is why his approval rating is still over 80% and he easily won the reelection in 2018.

    Russia under attack

    However, the globalists have had their own victories as well. In 2003-2004, pro-Russia governments in Georgia and Ukraine were overthrown by George Soros' color revolutions. In 2014, the US staged a violent coup in Ukraine, overthrew a democratically elected leader, and replaced him with an unelected billionaire and a coterie of neo-Nazis.

    Ukraine has been a CIA target for decades. As Brzezinski wrote in his book, The Grand Chessboard, Russia will be paralyzed without access to Crimea and the Black Sea - the only Russian gateway to the Mediterranean Sea. Sensing danger after the 2013 coup, Putin quickly held a referendum in Crimea and solved the issue.

    Another area where Russia was backstabbed: NATO expansion. Contrary to the promises made during the dissolution of USSR, NATO has added 13 new European countries, which are all potential hosts for US/NATO military bases. Many of these countries are now part of the missile defense system. What this means is that the US could first launch a nuclear attack against Russia and then, theoretically, shoot down the missiles that Russia fires in response. The entire situation is extremely volatile and dangerous - Russia has 6,800 nuclear weapons.

    All this bullying is just a symptom of the wounded egos of globalists who have failed in their attempts to conquer Russia definitively. In fact, they tried to do so six times in the last 200 years -1812, 1856, 1905, World War I, World War II, and the Wall Street takeover of Russia in the 1990's.

    Rothschilds, Bolshevism and Hitler


    In 1812, funded by the Rothschilds, Napoleon invaded Russia. In 1856, Britain and France attacked and took over Crimea-for the same reason that the US staged a coup in Ukraine in 2013.

    In 1905, banksters on Wall Street - Jacob Schiff and others - funded Japan to attack Russia. In the midst of the war, the banksters tried to foment a revolution and overthrow the Czar. The guy who lead the revolution was Leon Trotsky. He failed in 1905 and fled Russia, but came back in 1917 using the same playbook, using Germany instead of Japan.

    Before World War I, Trotsky and Lenin raised millions of dollars from international banksters. Trotsky visited New York and got an American passport so he could sneak back into Russia. Flush with cash from capitalists, the communists (Bolsheviks) killed the Czar during World War I and quickly signed a peace treaty with Germany. Danke Schoen!

    Thus the evil empire of Soviet Union was a creation of America and Europe - a fact that is erased from Western history books. The Soviet Union was the result of a civil war fomented by outside forces - a civil war in which the bad guys won. Bolshevism was a foreign virus that invaded Russia, killed tens of millions of Russians and tried to destroy Christianity - Russian's religion for over 1000 years. However, when Americans think of "Russians," they are only taught to think of the Soviet Union.

    Fast forward to World War II, it was again Europe (Germany) that attacked Russia. 20 million Russians died fighting the Nazis, two million just in the city of Leningrad. Russia fought the Nazis for four years and destroyed 70% of Hitler's army. However, the US came at the end of the game (in 1944) and got all the accolade for "defeating the Nazis."

    Moving Forward

    Knowing all this, an honest person would not cast Russia as the enemy of the West. Russia will be an enemy only if we demand its subservience. Russia and China are determined to preserve their sovereignty. They are also trying to break free from the petrodollar system, which lets the US borrow trillions without repercussions.

    Global conflicts and wars are very addictive for the military-industrial complex, which holds 800 military bases around the world, a $700 billion a year budget and $35 billion/year of weapons exports. Wars also mean massive debts for nations, which is exactly what the international banksters want. Global corporations are drawn to a unipolar world because that guarantees them monopoly, cheap labor and raw materials and access to customers. Social engineers rely on monolithic corporate media to spread the same propaganda all over the world. Will the confluence of these forces refuse to accept a multipolar world? Will they push us into disastrous wars, potentially even a nuclear war?

    Let's remember JFK's "Peace Speech" from 1963:



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    I'm sorry, but I have to object to Kremlin propaganda being presented as fact. Many in the alternative media are guilty of repeating and rehashing propaganda material coming straight from Moscow. This is not OK, as most people are not well-informed enough and have no direct experience with Moscow's tactics and methods to be able to see through the deception. Zerohedge is a particularly slimy operator in this regard, but so are many alt-right and conspiracy websites, including Infowars. Also RT has an anti-Western and anti-liberal agenda of its own as does Sputnik News, if you think the news coming from those sources is unbiased, you are sadly mistaken.


    Any material that presents Putin and Russia in a glowing light and the West as in decline, about to collapse or a hotbed of corruption and moral decay is just the same old rehashed Kremlin propaganda. Do not fall for it! They have been saying this for over a hundred years, yet the West is doing just fine, whereas Russia has actually collapsed a number of times. Russia (and China) is going to collapse over and over again, every few decades, for various, complicated reasons, whereas western democracies, including the EU and the US, will keep chugging along. There is a reason not many westerners want to move to Russia and China, but there are millions of people coming the other way. Pay attention to what people do, rather than what they say. The alternative community is full of predictions of Doom regarding the West and full of praise for Russia and to a lesser extent, China. Not everything is as it seems and I would urge everyone to use caution and discernment when it comes to this area.

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    There certainly are millions trying to come here. And plenty of room for them.

    The anti-immigration fervor is a form of false scarcity fear-mongering.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    There certainly are millions trying to come here. And plenty of room for them.

    The anti-immigration fervor is a form of false scarcity fear-mongering.
    Don't get me wrong, I'm not for unfettered, uncontrolled mass illegal immigration. That brings its own problems. However, controlled and regulated legal immigration, with limits placed on it, is generally beneficial. I have been a legal immigrant to several countries and know how the process works. Singapore is a particularly good example of how to do immigration in a way that benefits everyone. They have a two-tier system, with very little red tape. Work permits are issued to low-level workers who earn less than 3000 dollars a month and don't have at least a Bachelor's degree. Work permit holders cannot become permanent residents and can't apply for Singaporean citizenship.

    I was on an employment pass, which is issued to skilled workers earning at least 3000 dollars a month and with at least a Bachelor's Degree in any field. Employment Pass holders can apply for permanent residency after 2 years and can eventually become Singaporean citizens. The system works very well and with a minimum amount of red tape. It generally takes only a few days for the paperwork to go through. It really is a very smart immigration system that others should copy.

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    Thanks for the useful information, Chris.

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