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    Children in cages

    Senator Jeff Merkley visited centers where children who have been separated from their parents are being held. They have 'space' blankets, no pads or mattresses and are being kept in cages.


    This community is eerily silent about this.

    So much speculation about pizza and pedophiles but crickets when a Senator sees children in cages.

    Wow.

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    Sounds shocking, links ?

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    They're in the 'Jade Helm' Walmarts.

    Here's a link.

    Here's another.

    The Senator live-streamed on Facebook.

    Merkley added, "This is not zero tolerance. This is zero humanity. It's damaging children, putting them through a horrific experience in a land where they know no one, and they don't know where they're being sent and they don't understand why they're being sent."
    “For months, stories have abounded of families separated by immigration authorities at the border: Three children were separated from their mother as they fled a gang in El Salvador; a 7-year-old was taken from her Congolese mother who was seeking asylum; and so on, in reportedly hundreds of cases. In almost every case, the families have described heart-wrenching goodbyes and agonizing uncertainty about whether they would be reunited,”
    Internal government documents dating back to 2009 and obtained through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) by American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and International Human Rights Clinic at the University of Chicago School of Law, detail horror stories of child abuse, physical and sexual assault, verbal abuse and medical negligence at the hands of Customs and Border Protection (CBP) agents
    Jeff Sessions described asylum seekers as 'smuggling children in.'

    Is this community okay with seeing children treated as contraband and put in holding centers away from their mothers? To be held by immigration authorities?

    In defunct Walmarts?

    I'm stunned.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Is this community okay with seeing children treated as contraband and put in holding centers away from their mothers? To be held by immigration authorities?
    Please define "this community".
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    The alternative community. The one that has been going on about children and pedophilia for so long. Why the crickets on this? These children are the most vulnerable.




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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Is this community okay with seeing children treated as contraband and put in holding centers away from their mothers? To be held by immigration authorities?
    Please define "this community".
    The alternative community. The one that has been going on about children and pedophilia for so long. Why the crickets on this? These children are the most vulnerable
    It is pretty unfair to judge people for not discussing something of which they don't even know that it exists, Sister.

    Furthermore, this seems to (once again) be a specifically US American situation, rather than a worldwide phenomenon. By consequence, the chances that Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, Brits, Irish folk, Dutch folk, Germans, Finns, Norwegians or Belgians would be aware of it are pretty slim, and especially so when it doesn't even appear to be common knowledge within the United States of Acronyms itself.


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    It's been going on for months. The uptick in separating children has brought it back into news. These children are international. The immigration issues that are front and center in America are in world news.

    All anyone has to do is ask one question. If Hillary was president would they be on this or not?

    Of course they would. There was supposed to be an international ring taking vulnerable children from Haiti and other places. Remember?

    This affects the world and anyone who is a refugee or seeks asylum in America.

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    Trump tweeted about it today. Predictably attempting to blame the democrats who are not in power in any of the branches of government:

    Separating families at the Border is the fault of bad legislation passed by the Democrats. Border Security laws should be changed but the Dems can’t get their act together!
    Not true, of course.

    No law mandates that parents must be separated from their children at the border, and it’s not a policy Democrats have pushed or can change alone as the minority in Congress.
    But under U.S. protocol, if parents are jailed, their children are separated from them because the children aren’t charged with a crime.
    Trump has no problem going against tradition or protocol. He does it every day.

    It's a shameful cop-out coming from the President of the US.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    It's been going on for months. The uptick in separating children has brought it back into news. These children are international. The immigration issues that are front and center in America are in world news.
    Not over here, they're not.

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    All anyone has to do is ask one question. If Hillary was president would they be on this or not?
    Maybe, and maybe not. Hillary is an opportunistic psychopath. She only does what's in her own best interest. Don't forget that she also defended a notorious child rapist in court when she was still working as a lawyer.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Of course they would. There was supposed to be an international ring taking vulnerable children from Haiti and other places. Remember?
    Um, no, I can't say that I do. It is possible that it was discussed here on the forum, but if it was, then I personally don't remember that.

    But then again — and forgive me for being so blunt — I've got plenty of other things to worry about already, and I have started to apply a certain degree of mental filtering a long time ago in order to retain my sanity.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    This affects the world and anyone who is a refugee or seeks asylum in America.
    Probably, but my advice would be for people to not seek asylum in the USA, because the USA has been violating all manner of human rights on a daily basis since at least the end of World War II.

    And after the George W. Bush administration, I wouldn't even recommend that anyone would go on a holiday to the USA either, unless they like playing Russian roulette on account of having their body cavities searched for weapons of mass destruction at a US airport.
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    Internationally:

    The U.N. human rights office has called on the Trump administration to “immediately halt” the separations, saying “detention is never in the best interests of the child and always constitutes a child rights violation.”

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    Here's what the Democrats actually did (bold is mine):

    June 1, 2018

    The Honorable Kirstjen M. Nielsen The Honorable Jeff Sessions
    Secretary Attorney General
    Department of Homeland Security Department of Justice
    301 7th Street SW, Mail Stop 0501 950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
    Washington, D.C. 20528-0150 Washington, D.C. 20530


    Dear Secretary Nielsen and Attorney General Sessions,

    We are disappointed that Secretary Nielsen’s previously planned appearance for June 7, 2018 before the House Judiciary Committee has been cancelled, which compels us to write this letter seeking immediate information and a briefing by your agencies on the humanitarian crisis that is playing out along our Nation’s border. The Administration’s recent implementation of a “zero tolerance” policy towards border crossers apprehended between ports of entry has resulted in the criminalization of asylum seekers and a drastic increase in family separation. As Members of the House Judiciary Committee, we take seriously our oversight responsibilities and believe that it is imperative that you immediately provide us with additional information about the impetus for, and the impact of, these new policies.

    In the last two months, the Trump Administration has chosen to enact policies that ignore asylum claims and increase the likelihood that children will be separated from their parents. On April 6, 2018, the Department of Justice (DOJ) directed federal prosecutors to adopt a “zero-tolerance” policy toward individuals entering the United States illegally along the southwest border. Then, in May, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) announced its corresponding policy to refer for criminal prosecution all individuals who cross the border without inspection.


    As you know, many of the families and individuals crossing the southwest border between ports of entry are travelling from countries ravaged by violence and are seeking protection. Many of these individuals first presented themselves at ports of entry only to be turned away. It is well established that the United States must process asylum applications, including those filed by individuals who do not present themselves at a port of entry. That is why we are extremely alarmed that the Administration would enact a policy that prioritizes the criminal prosecution of those seeking protection rather than the assessment of their asylum claims.
    Further troubling is that the Administration’s policy will result in the increased separation of families. As parents remain in criminal proceedings or detention, children will be removed and placed in the care of the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services. Recent news reports of unaccounted children suggest, however, that the Administration lacks policies to ensure that such children are eventually reunified with their families.

    We also remain concerned about the negative health and social impacts of family separation. In fact, in response to DHS’ new policy, the American Academy of Pediatrics released a statement urging the Agency to reverse course stating, “In fact, highly stressful experiences, like family separation, can cause irreparable harm, disrupting a child’s brain architecture and affecting his or her short- and long-term health.” This separation is even more alarming when considered in the context of comments made by Trump Administration officials that suggested that the separation of families will deter individuals from migrating to the United States.

    Please provide us with the following by June 7, 2018:

    An explanation for the Administration’s new policy to prosecute all individuals apprehended between ports of entry, including those who voluntarily turn themselves in to request asylum.


    The Administration’s view of whether prosecuting asylum seekers, and thereby separating children from their parents, violates international human rights law.

    The Administration’s plans to ensure that individuals seeking asylum at ports of entry are not turned away, and that any such families are not separated.

    The Administration’s plans to ensure that separated children are reunited with their families.

    The Administration’s efforts to ensure that separated children are not placed with human traffickers.

    The number of families seeking asylum since 2013, disaggregated by month.

    The number of individuals who have been referred for prosecution since 2013, disaggregated by month.

    The number of children who have been separated from their families since 2013, disaggregated by month.

    The number of children who, since January 1, 2017, have been separated from their families and then returned to their families.

    The number of children who, since January 1, 2017, have been separated from their families and remain separated to this day.

    Denying protection to those fleeing persecution is cruel and unproductive; removing children from their parents is unconscionable and simply un-American. We urge you to provide us with an immediate briefing on these matters, as well as to respond to the above requests for information. Thank you for your attention to this important matter.


    The letter was signed by Democratic Members of the U.S. House Judiciary Committee, including: Representatives Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), Steve Cohen (D-TN), Hank Johnson (D-GA), Ted Deutch (D-FL), Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), Karen Bass (D-CA), Cedric Richmond (D-LA), Hakeem Jeffries (D-NY), David Cicilline (D-RI), Eric Swalwell (D-CA), Ted Lieu (D-CA), Jamie Raskin (D-MD), Pramila Jayapal (D-WA), Brad Schneider (D-IL) and Val Demings (D-FL).

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    Weres give ones two boxes, weres make it law to go to school and learn about the two boxes, weres make it law to pay taxes to make roads to the schools and pay for who and what is beLIEfed in the schools and as a bonus, taxes for prisons if one refuses or stands in own power or choices different etc etc

    PS are children that go to teaching prisons, in teaching cages, in other countries than USA, being openly talked about ?

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    Weres give ones two boxes, weres make it law to go to school and learn about the two boxes, weres make it law to pay taxes to make roads to the schools and pay for who and what is beLIEfed in the schools and as a bonus, taxes for prisons if one refuses or stands in own power or choices different etc etc

    PS are children that go to teaching prisons, in teaching cages, in other countries than USA, being openly talked about ?
    Not to mention, lots of dead kids in Yemen and Libya.
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    Thousands if not tens of.

    Narrative handlers are very pissed atm, Please Dreamtimer, you are absolutely correct in what your sharing and indeed hold the true imo narrative shared to you.

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