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    Some words from Laura Bush:

    Our government should not be in the business of warehousing children in converted box stores or making plans to place them in tent cities in the desert outside of El Paso. These images are eerily reminiscent of the Japanese American internment camps of World War II, now considered to have been one of the most shameful episodes in U.S. history. We also know that this treatment inflicts trauma; interned Japanese have been two times as likely to suffer cardiovascular disease or die prematurely than those who were not interned.

    Americans pride ourselves on being a moral nation, on being the nation that sends humanitarian relief to places devastated by natural disasters or famine or war. We pride ourselves on believing that people should be seen for the content of their character, not the color of their skin. We pride ourselves on acceptance. If we are truly that country, then it is our obligation to reunite these detained children with their parents — and to stop separating parents and children in the first place.

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    States are fighting back:

    Colorado Gov. John Hickenlooper (D) is barring state agencies from using state resources in support of carrying out President Trump's "zero tolerance" policy that separates migrant families at the U.S.-Mexico border.
    Massachusetts Gov. Charlie Baker (R) on Monday canceled the deployment of his state's National Guard troops to the border in protest of the policy.
    Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) called for Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to resign in part over the family separations.

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    One of life's simple pleasures for me is to watch CNN and listen daily to the 'lowest' thing Trump did that day. I can't bear to watch now...God will punish actions like this. To do this to children is high on the list of things that will get you a lightning bolt to the brain.
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    From a post at the book of faces….

    In March of 1993, The United States Supreme Court issued a ruling in Flores vs Reno. (Yes, “That” Reno. Janet Reno, Bill Clinton’s first Attorney General who ordered that young Elian Gonzalez be torn from his parents arms while hiding in a Miami closet. You might remember the iconic photograph.)

    The Court decided that minors could not be incarcerated with the adults accompanying them across the United States border illegally. The decision was the result of a long dispute in how to best care for these children while the adults were detained for criminal proceedings.

    You see, when aliens cross the border illegally, they are incarcerated until their criminal case is decided. The understandable argument at the time was “why should children be incarcerated while their parents are in jail?” It seemed a fundamental violation of international human rights. Makes sense, right?

    As a result, The Flores case drew a line in the sand. Children could not be incarcerated with their parents or accompanying adult while being held for illegal immigration violations. And a subsequent 1997 agreement stipulated that children must be placed in a safer environment where they could enjoy certain privileges, including education, a clean, safe environment and other normal life cycle amenities that incarcerated individuals do not enjoy.

    It was considered a “victory” for human rights. By separating adult and child, we protected the children, reducing any harm done to them for their parent’s or accompanying adult’s decisions.

    A lot has happened since then. However; bottom line, these juvenile, shelters have been operating in accordance with the law, and overseen by the Department of Health and Human Services to protect those children from the hazards of parental incarceration since 1997.

    So, since Donald Trump was running his real estate empire, selling wine and casinos in 1993, we are left to determine just how he managed to orchestrate this cruel “separation of immigrant parent and child” 25 years BEFORE he was President of the United States. The obvious answer is, he didn’t. He had nothing to do with establishing this United States immigration policy. Today, he simply enforces it.

    This one story illustrates how important it is for us to do our research regarding today’s headlines. The Corporate Media either refuses to do the research, is incapable of doing the research or has done the research and decided to lie to you about its findings. Either way, this would make the Corporate Media lazy, incompetent or just plain deceptive. Liars, if you will.
    You decide. For, as NBC would say, “the more you know.“

    From a dear friend of mine....

    Family units which are apprehended trying to cross the border illegally are being separated because crossing the border illegally is a crime and just like happens with U.S. citizens, when you commit a crime and are incarcerated you are separated from your children.
    But are those separated children, as well as the unaccompanied minors that are apprehended, being "thrown into cages"? Not really. Yes, the border agents may temparily give them shelter, as well as food, water and medical attention, in enclosures that could be described as cage-like for a few hours to a couple of days before they are sent to better facilities. It beats the hell out of dying from heat and dehydration in the desert or in the back of a crowded cattle-call truck. Or being left in the custody of a human trafficker. And may I remind the readers that most of the photos of "children in cages" were actually taken when Obama was in office.

    That brings us to the more permanent and much more amenable facilities the children are quickly beiing transferred to. Many of you may have seen the Democrats publicity stunt this past week where a group of Democrat legislators paid a visit, press in tow, to a detention center on the border. One by one, the Democrats dutifully took their turns in front of the microphones and cameras to decry how cruel the Trump administration was. What you did not hear, or see, was how well the children in the facility were actually being treated.

    The children in the facility were not caged nor even locked up. Each had their own beds in rooms they shared with up to four other children. They were being cared for by a caring staff that included doctors, nurses, psychologists and other social workers. They were also being well-fed. And they had recreational activities, both indoors and out, as well as classrooms. Among the things many of them were taught was basic hygiene, such as how to shower and how to use a flush toilet. Compared to the conditions many of them were used to, they were living better than they ever had - albeit without their parents. And they were being prepared for reunification with their parents as soon as possible. Hardly treated cruelly.

    Make no mistake: separating children from their parents is abominable and it must stop. But don't look for it to stop any time soon because what is really called for is an agreement on immigration reform.

    The neocon Republicans on the right, who are owned by their masters on Wall Street, K Street, the Chamber of Commerce and the Business Roundtable, as well as the Koch Brothers, are being paid to do their masters bidding and provide cheap labor. Why else do you think that no immigration bills under consideration propose having E-verify to insure that only legal, higher wage earners can be hired?

    The Democrats on the left, who see the vast majority of illegals as undocumented future Democrat voters, don't want to close down the border any more than they want to end chain migration (more future voters for Democrats, you see). And, most importantly for the moment, Democrats want to keep illegal immigration and "children being ripped from their mothers arms and thrown into cages" as an issue for the mid-term elections that may be slipping away from them. Do the Democrats really care about the children? Apparently, not as much as they care about winning elections.

    Lastly, an article found here: https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-...et-under-obama


    Facts don't matter when cognitive dissonance is entrenched or when emotions are so strong that the mind is sent on vacation. Forget research, reason and critical thinking...

    God, I need to take a shower...or two or three.

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    I'm sure most of you have seen this before. It was Charlie Reese's last article, written in 1984.


    545 vs. 300,000,000 People

    -By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
    You and I don't propose a federal budget. The President does.
    You and I don't have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
    You and I don't write the tax code, Congress does.
    You and I don't set fiscal policy, Congress does.
    You and I don't control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.

    One hundred senators, 435 congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.

    I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.

    I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a President to do one cotton-picking thing. I don't care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator's responsibility to determine how he votes.

    Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con regardless of party.

    What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits.. ( The President can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.)

    The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House?( John Boehner. He is the leader of the majority party. He and fellow House members, not the President, can approve any budget they want.) If the President vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to. [The House has passed a budget but the Senate has not approved a budget in over three years. The President's proposed budgets have gotten almost unanimous rejections in the Senate in that time.]

    It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million cannot replace 545 people who stand convicted -- by present facts -- of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can't think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.

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    Some Republican legislators beginning to take action:

    Rep. Kevin Yoder (R-KS), the chairman of the House Appropriations Committee’s subcommittee on Homeland Security, sent a letter to Attorney General Jeff Sessions calling for him to end the controversial policy.

    “I ask that you take immediate action to end the practice of separating children from families at the border,” Yoder says in the letter. “Separating children from their parents should not be used as a deterrent.”

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    The juvenile centers which were set up were designed for adolescent/teenage kids. Not children, toddlers and babies.

    The numbers are increasing a great speeds while there was no plan in place. Thus the Walmart centers, tent cities, etc.

    The law cited above is one piece of the puzzle. The superseding law is that when people are seeking asylum, that takes precedence over any 'illegal border crossing' issue.

    It is an active choice to engage in this separation. It is new and Jeff Sessions is calling it zero tolerance. Jeff Sessions' DOJ has argued in court that it has this kind of discretion.

    There is no way that a refugee Mom fleeing a place like El Salvador with her children is going to get notice of or understand this sudden change.

    Mexico takes them to whatever border crossing it wants. It's not checking with ICE to make sure it's an "authorized crossing point".

    It's a cop-out of the highest order to call this activity a deterrent.

    Trump changes military policy with a tweet.

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    All five First Ladies have spoken now:

    Rosalynn Carter has joined with her fellow first ladies to call this action what it is, “disgraceful and a shame to our country.”

    When I was first lady, I worked to call attention to the plight of refugees fleeing Cambodia for Thailand. I visited Thailand and witnessed firsthand the trauma of parents and children separated by circumstances beyond their control. The practice and policy today of removing children from their parents’ care at our border with Mexico is disgraceful and a shame to our country.

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    Simple imo


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdtnJqVktgs


    About the 11 minute mark

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    -By Charlie Reese

    Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.

    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits, WHY do we have deficits?

    Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
    Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against illegal immigration, WHY do we have illegal immigration?

    At this point there are no easy answers to this problem, every choice simply creates a new dilemma. Damned if you do and damned if you don't. Unless the root of the problem were somehow to ever be looked at and addressed. But what IS the root of this problem? Why are conditions so dire south of the border in the first place to compel people to flee their native lands?

    According to Brigadier General Smedley Butler in 1935:

    ##I spent 33 years and four months in active military service and during that period I spent most of my time as a high class muscle man for Big Business, for Wall Street and the bankers. In short, I was a racketeer, a gangster for capitalism. I helped make Mexico and especially Tampico safe for American oil interests in 1914. I helped make Haiti and Cuba a decent place for the National City Bank boys to collect revenues in. I helped in the raping of half a dozen Central American republics for the benefit of Wall Street. I helped purify Nicaragua for the International Banking House of Brown Brothers in 1902-1912. I brought light to the Dominican Republic for the American sugar interests in 1916. I helped make Honduras right for the American fruit companies in 1903. In China in 1927 I helped see to it that Standard Oil went on its way unmolested. Looking back on it, I might have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.
    The same basic thing was happening in Puerto Rico before the hurricane, the big banks just don't need just don't military support any more.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

    Socrates

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    So it's a form of what goes around comes around. We meddled down there and elsewhere since before I was born, and the chickens are coming home to roost, so to speak.

    I could be wrong, but it doesn't look to me like the parties are playing the same game anymore. The Republican party isn't even what it was ten years ago. Trump has transformed it into something new. Something that's making my mother roll over in her grave.

    We're heading towards the wrong side of the J curve...



    Ian Bremmer's J curve outlines the link between a country's openness and its stability. While many countries are stable because they are open (the United States, France, Japan), others are stable because they are closed (North Korea, Cuba, Iraq under Saddam Hussein).

    States can travel both forward (right) and backwards (left) along this J curve, so stability and openness are never secure.

    The J is steeper on the left hand side, as it is easier for a leader in a failed state to create stability by closing the country than to build a civil society and establish accountable institutions; the curve is higher on the far right than left because states that prevail in opening their societies (Eastern Europe, for example) ultimately become more stable than authoritarian regimes.

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    Lawsuits are underway:

    [The] first lawsuit has been filed over Trump's abhorrent child separation policy in federal court.

    A Guatamalan woman filed the suit. Basically, she came over the border, seeking asylum in the united States. She was detained, and her 7 year old son was taken from her. On last Friday, she was released from custody, pending a hearing on her case, basically she bonded out. Since Friday, she has been attempting to be reunited with her son, and so far has been unable to determine where he even is, much less pick him up.
    Trump undertook a senseless policy, without the planning and logistics support in place to keep track of who was where, when. It was only a matter of time until something like this happened, and an asylum seeker found access to an attorney to fight back against this bullshit. The longer this goes on, you can expect the floodgates to open up on these kinds of lawsuits, not as a class action, but individually, forcing individual hearings in federal court. This is going to end up costing the government more than just putting the families up in a hotel in the first place.
    Micheal Avenatti is joining in:

    We are already mobilizing resources on the ground for this fight. By day's end, we expect to have at least 20 detained mothers and children as clients.

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    There is nothing that can undo the damage that has been done to toddlers and infants...nothing.
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    American Airlines has announced that they will not take part in transporting these children. They have been sent all over the country, apparently.

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    People are making money and have been since last year.


    Private companies have already made millions managing Trump’s child prisons.

    The contracts were awarded in September of 2017, so that tells me the Trump administration already had its plan in place to steal children from their parents and put them in cages.

    The contracts to manage these jails for children are signed through 2022!

    And there’s all the proof you need, that this was a planned long-term policy of this administration to separate and jail children.
    President Trump’s controversial child separation policy is being carried out with the help of private businesses who have received millions of dollars in government contracts to help run the shelters where young migrants are being held away from their parents.

    However, by reviewing publicly available contracts data, Yahoo News was able to identify five companies that are participating in the operation of the shelters, including two companies that have not previously been tied to the program. And in response to inquiries, one of the companies said it would cease participation in a program that required it to “maintain readiness” to transport young migrants to government facilities.
    Contract vehicles are one of the mechanisms the U.S. government uses to award contracts to vendors. The data reviewed by Yahoo News was for a contract vehicle called “Shelter Care for Unaccompanied Children 2022.” This included 10 different contracts for up to approximately $92 million that were awarded to five different vendors starting in September 2017. The contracts include plans to operate the shelters through September 2022.

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