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    Quote Originally posted by Ntonyo View Post
    Thanks, Ntonyo.

    This guy is saying what I've said and it's well needed counsel. It looks like he's in Sedona. It's beautiful there. I'll bet former member Dumpy knows where he is.

    The double standards regarding the Trumps and Clinton reek to high heaven. And it's those double standards that cause so much of this stuff to lose meaning and significance. In addition, the presentation is a lot like the NLP people keep warning me about.

    A lot like it.
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    I've heard people in the alternative community argue that slavery is a matter of perspective. One man's slave is another man's well-kept property.

    There may not be a black and white line to define propaganda. It becomes obvious when the contradictions and double-standards appear. Propaganda always has truth mixed in, that's part of how it works.

    It takes a great deal of time to wade through this stuff. And that's the time that propaganda needs to work.

    Cogent points can be made concisely. They don't need to be padded with a bunch of colors and moving parts. That's one side that it's heading into the propaganda realm.

    Look...shiny. (spiral eyes emoji)
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    Truth vs Words...
    There is a 'line' between that which is truth & that which is propaganda. And, it is the 'Mind' which creates that line. Setting the 'mind' aside & all divisions disappear - they don't exist. Anytime mind is functioning, division / bias has the potential of occurring. Its part of this dichotomy that we find ourselves living in.

    'Mind' is a tool. It acts as a prism. Whatever passes through the mind (prism) is subject to being divided, dissected, taken apart, analyzed & placed into various different categories.


    A journalist uses this tool - the mind. The mind functions when articles are written. The mind functions when gathering information, researching, assessing facts, when creating a sentence, in choosing what adjective to use. So, no matter what is written in words will have a potential bias attached with it.

    The Tao that can be told of is not the absolute Tao --Lao Tzu

    I'm sure that many, here, have heard of the famous Tao Master, Lao Tzu.
    When Lao Tzu was leaving China, he was forced to write down his teachings by the border guard.


    The story goes like this:

    In his final days, Lao Tzu said goodbye to those that loved him dearly, as he decided to live out his final days of his life in the Himalayas. As he came to the border of China, the guard at the gate (who was also a disciple of Lao Tzu) was not willing to allow him to cross over the border until he wrote down his wisdom on paper. Then, only after he did this, would the guard allow him to leave China, never to be seen again.

    So, Lao Tzu spent three days in the guard's hut in order to write down what he knew of the truth.

    The Tao that can be told of is not the absolute Tao --Lao Tzu

    He wrote the above statement at the very beginning of what later became known as the book Tao Te Ching. He wrote the above sentence at the very beginning so that it would serve as a warning for those that may come later to read the written words.

    In other words, the Tao that can be put into words is not the Truth, so whatever you read from this point on is not the Truth.

    An example of this: one cannot prove that one has fallen in love. One can write about it, try to describe what the experience is like. But, the words are not even close to what the actual experience is. It is a purely subjective experience. Meaning, it can only be a proof to oneself. If one has an experience of Truth - has had an experience of Love - only then will one know what the 'finger' is pointing to - what the 'words' may be attempting to indicate.

    Words can only act like fingers pointing toward the Truth, words cannot be the Truth. Words are useful as far as attempting to describe the Truth. But words are not the Truth. The word 'Love' is not the experience of Love. It is an indicator. It points to the actual experience. There will always be a disconnect between what is Truth & word usage.

    The same is with perception, the perceiving of an event. And making a written record of that event.

    Its been shown on a countless number of occasions... An event takes place - say, an accident - and the witnesses are gathered together to give their account of what they saw. And quite often, the witnesses describe the event differently, some as if they saw entirely different events. They give different accounts of the same event.

    So, in a sense...

    All Words are Lies.

    Or, said differently...

    All Words are Propaganda.

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    Also the above is also a response to the following:

    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    It's starting to sound like propaganda again, turiya.

    Come on, man. The bias is dripping off of the screen.
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    Beautifulllly communicated Turiya, we all here are so such beautifullll humans.
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    A secret ? maybe, speculation ? yes n also some truth lol >

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    Why in the world is this community called the truth community if all words are lies?

    Truther, Birther....

    Perhaps the answer is self-evident.
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    Turiya: An example of this: one cannot prove that one has fallen in love. One can write about it, try to describe what the experience is like. But, the words are not even close to what the actual experience is. It is a purely subjective experience. Meaning, it can only be a proof to oneself. If one has an experience of Truth - has had an experience of Love - only then will one know what the 'finger' is pointing to - what the 'words' may be attempting to indicate.
    Words are not the thing, and cannot be the thing. The act of being/living in love is visible, so can be identified, words therefore are not needed. No images are held in real love, so the mind therefore cannot become fixed in love. We humans tend to hold images fixed in mind, which is not love.
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    'Propaganda' is in the 'Mind' of the Beholder...
    No, it is not. Propaganda is information that is by definition biased to favor the person spreading that information and/or paint their adversary/competitor in a bad light. I have already posted both the dictionary definition and the Wikipedia definition earlier, but just to humor you, I shall paste said definitions again below.





    Source: The Free Dictionary


    prop·a·gan·da
    n.

    1. The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause or of information reflecting the views and interests of those advocating such a doctrine or cause.
    2. Material disseminated by the advocates or opponents of a doctrine or cause: wartime propaganda.



    Source: The Free Dictionary





    Source: Wikipedia


    Propaganda is information that is not objective and is used primarily to influence an audience and further an agenda, often by presenting facts selectively to encourage a particular synthesis or perception, or using loaded language to produce an emotional rather than a rational response to the information that is presented. Propaganda is often associated with material prepared by governments, but activist groups, companies, religious organizations and the media can also produce propaganda.

    In the twentieth century, the term propaganda has often been associated with a manipulative approach, but propaganda historically was a neutral descriptive term.

    A wide range of materials and media are used for conveying propaganda messages, which changed as new technologies were invented, including paintings, cartoons, posters, pamphlets, films, radio shows, TV shows, and websites. Propaganda is now moving into a digital age utillizing bots, algorithms, to create computational propaganda and spread online fake or biased news using social media.

    In a 1929 literary debate with Edward Bernays, Everett Dean Martin argues that, “Propaganda is making puppets of us. We are moved by hidden strings which the propagandist manipulates.”


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    Yes it is

    Watching trolls not liking data and doing something about it, is mind.
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    Thought this article (Psychology’s Treacherous Trio: Confirmation Bias, Cognitive Dissonance, and Motivated Reasoning) might be of benefit since it appears we are heading down this road once again.

    https://whywereason.wordpress.com/20...ted-reasoning/

    Snippets from from the article:

    While many like to believe that they have a special access to the truth, the reality is that we all see the world not as it is, but as we want it to be
    So what’s the difference between confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, and motivated reasoning? The short answer is that there really aren’t any differences. Generally speaking, they serve the same purpose, and that is to frame the world so it makes sense to us. But there are a few nuances worth mentioning. For one, motivated reasoning is like an evil twin to cognitive dissonance in that it tries to avoid it. And for another, and I quote NYU psychologist Gary Marcus who says it perfectly, “whereas confirmation bias is an automatic tendency to notice data that fit with our beliefs, motivated reasoning is the complementary tendency to scrutinize ideas more carefully if we don’t like them than if we do.”
    People don’t change their minds – just the opposite in fact. Brains are designed to filter the world so we don’t have to question it. While this helps us survive, it’s a subjective trap; by only seeing the world as we want to, our minds narrow and it becomes difficult to understand opposing opinions. This helps explain the conflict in Recife. When we only look for what confirms our beliefs (confirmation bias), only side with what is most comfortable (cognitive dissonance) and don’t scrutinize contrary ideas (motivated reasoning) we impede social, economic, and academic progress.
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    Define 'Psychological Projection'...
    Q Post # 1926
    The Tools of the Left
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    Q !!mG7VJxZNCI 19 Aug 2018 - 2:03:32 PM

    Define 'Fascism'.
    Forcible suppression of opposition?
    Define 'Censorship'.
    The institution, system, or practice of censoring?
    Define 'Narrative'.
    A way of presenting or understanding a situation or series of events that reflects and promotes a particular point of view or set of values?
    Define 'Projection'.
    The attribution of one's own ideas, feelings, or attitudes to other people or to objects; especially : the externalization of blame, guilt, or responsibility as a defense against anxiety?
    The forming of a plan : scheming?
    Define 'Psychological Projection'.
    A theory in psychology in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others?
    Define 'Narcissist'.
    A person who has an excessive interest in or admiration of themselves: narcissists who think the world revolves around them | narcissists preening themselves in front of the mirror?
    Define 'Dogma'.
    A point of view or tenet put forth as authoritative without adequate grounds?
    Define 'Aggression'.
    Forceful and sometimes overly assertive pursuit of one's aims and interests?
    Define 'Suppression'.
    The action of suppressing something such as an activity or publication?
    [Bonus Round]
    'Narcissists' are renowned for using 'psychological projection' to blame other people, even when it is entirely apparent that they are the ones in the wrong.
    ——————————–
    Define 'Realism'.
    The quality or fact of representing a person, thing, or situation accurately or in a way that is true to life?
    [Realism]
    Actions of [ANTIFA]:
    -Aggression (Projection)
    -Suppression (Fascism)
    -Censorship (Narrative-Dogma)
    Actions of [FAKE NEWS]:
    -Aggression (Projection)
    -Suppression (Fascism)
    -Censorship (Narrative-Dogma)
    Actions of [TWITTER, FB, GOOG, YT, REDDIT, etc..]:
    -Aggression (Projection)
    -Suppression (Fascism)
    -Censorship (Narrative-Dogma)
    SHEEP NO MORE.
    The More You Know….
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    Define 'Fascism'.
    Define 'Censorship'.
    Define 'Narrative'.
    Define 'Projection'.
    Define 'Psychological Projection'.
    Q


    'Psychological Projection'

    Psychological projection is a theory in psychology in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting. -- Wikipedia


    Quote of the Day:

    "Your mind is continuously projecting something. Reality functions as a screen and you go on working as a projector. A man who is learning how to be aware will learn how to drop his projections and look at facts as they are. Don't bring your mind in, otherwise you will never be able to know reality. You will remain closed in to your own interpretations." -- Osho
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    imo and Melidae strides in with a top ten post of the year plus a top 5 top timed post.


    Quote Originally posted by Melidae View Post
    Thought this article (Psychology’s Treacherous Trio: Confirmation Bias, Cognitive Dissonance, and Motivated Reasoning) might be of benefit since it appears we are heading down this road once again.

    https://whywereason.wordpress.com/20...ted-reasoning/

    Snippets from from the article:
    Loved this >






    While many like to believe that they have a special access to the truth, the reality is that we all see the world not as it is, but as we want it to be



    So what’s the difference between confirmation bias, cognitive dissonance, and motivated reasoning? The short answer is that there really aren’t any differences. Generally speaking, they serve the same purpose, and that is to frame the world so it makes sense to us. But there are a few nuances worth mentioning. For one, motivated reasoning is like an evil twin to cognitive dissonance in that it tries to avoid it. And for another, and I quote NYU psychologist Gary Marcus who says it perfectly, “whereas confirmation bias is an automatic tendency to notice data that fit with our beliefs, motivated reasoning is the complementary tendency to scrutinize ideas more carefully if we don’t like them than if we do.”



    People don’t change their minds – just the opposite in fact. Brains are designed to filter the world so we don’t have to question it. While this helps us survive, it’s a subjective trap; by only seeing the world as we want to, our minds narrow and it becomes difficult to understand opposing opinions. This helps explain the conflict in Recife. When we only look for what confirms our beliefs (confirmation bias), only side with what is most comfortable (cognitive dissonance) and don’t scrutinize contrary ideas (motivated reasoning) we impede social, economic, and academic progress.
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    We have self-awareness here. Right?

    Am I the only one who looks past what I want to see? I don't think so.

    Am I the only one who considers the various aspects of an argument? I don't think so.

    It's common knowledge and used to be common training that if you want to discuss/argue anything at all you must know the opposing arguments. You must know them as well as or better than your own.

    I'm sorry folks, we are not all stuck in our perspectives and unable to look beyond. If we are...Sad.
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    It is not mine to speak for or judge anyone else....only myself.

    I found this to be a good reminder...to be used for self-examination...most of all for myself. If others benefit, fine. If not, that's okay too.

    I relate it to when a friend of mine did my astrology chart years ago. There were parts of it I really didn't like. Her advice was to consider it a compilation of tendencies...it is up to each individual if they want to use it as an excuse not to change (it is written in the stars...lol) or if they want to soar above it.

    The tendency of humans is to avoid discomfort. One option is to use that as an excuse...another to say it's all bs and ignore it...another to use it to grow in understanding of ones self and choosing whether to soar above those tendencies or not.

    I can only choose for myself.
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    'They want you Divided'....
    Q - Killing The Mockingbird
    (Aug 7, 2018)

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80s5xuvzCtg

    Description:

    • The people of the world are sick and tired of being set against each other by powerful criminals who want us divided so they can continue to rape, steal from and exploit us.
    • Currently the gravest threat to the world is the corrupt mainstream media who has been taken over by a powerful cabal.
    • They have been lying to us for decades, twisted our minds and led us down a path of darkness.
    • The evidence is all around you. The only way we can defeat this evil is by removing their power and turning them off.
    • They are named the "Mockingbird Media" after a criminal operation of the same name to infiltrate journalism and take control of the narratives.
    • A way out of this prison is to read the crumbs dropped via the NSA Intelligence Program otherwise known as Q.
    [/indent]

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