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    The Science of Astrology

    I thought that in this thread could be posted any general musings about astrology, including transits and birth charts.

    Is Astrology a Real Science?

    It is never a question of belief; the only scientific attitude one can take on any subject is whether it is true. The law of gravitation worked as efficiently before Newton as after him. The cosmos would be fairly chaotic if its laws could not operate without the sanction of human belief.

    Charlatans have brought the stellar science to its present state of disrepute. Astrology is too vast, both mathematically and philosophically, to be rightly grasped except by men of profound understanding. If ignoramuses misread the heavens, and see there a scrawl instead of a script, that is to be expected in this imperfect world. One should not dismiss the wisdom with the ‘wise.’

    All parts of creation are linked together and interchange their influences. The balanced rhythm of the universe is rooted in reciprocity. Man, in his human aspect, has to combat two sets of forces — first, the tumults within his being, caused by the admixture of earth, water, fire, air, and ethereal elements; second, the outer disintegrating powers of nature. So long as man struggles with his mortality, he is affected by the myriad mutations of heaven and earth.

    Astrology is the study of man’s response to planetary stimuli. The stars have no conscious benevolence or animosity; they merely send forth positive and negative radiations. Of themselves, these do not help or harm humanity, but offer a lawful channel for the outward operation of cause-effect equilibriums which each man has set into motion in the past.

    A child is born on that day and at that hour when the celestial rays are in mathematical harmony with his individual karma.

    His horoscope is a challenging portrait, revealing his unalterable past and its probable future results. But the natal chart can be rightly interpreted only by men of intuitive wisdom: these are few.

    The message boldly blazoned across the heavens at the moment of birth is not meant to emphasize fate — the result of past good and evil — but to arouse man’s will to escape from his universal thralldom. What he has done, he can undo. None other than himself was the instigator of the causes of whatever effects are now prevalent in his life. He can overcome any limitation, because he created it by his own actions in the first place, and because he has spiritual resources which are not subject to planetary pressure.

    Superstitious awe of astrology makes one an automaton, slavishly dependent on mechanical guidance. The wise man defeats his planets — which is to say, his past — by transferring his allegiance from the creation to the Creator.

    The more he realizes his unity with Spirit, the less he can be dominated by matter. The soul is ever-free; it is deathless because birthless. It cannot be regimented by stars.

    Man is a soul, and has a body. When he properly places his sense of identity, he leaves behind all compulsive patterns. So long as he remains confused in his ordinary state of spiritual amnesia, he will know the subtle fetters of environmental law.

    God is harmony; the devotee who attunes himself will never perform any action amiss. His activities will be correctly and naturally timed to accord with astrological law. After deep prayer and meditation he is in touch with his divine consciousness; there is no greater power than that inward protection.

    ~ Sri Yukteswar

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I thought that in this thread could be posted any general musings about astrology, including transits and birth charts.
    That's some good stuff, Wind.

    I've got a migraine right now, but later I will post my natal chart.

    p.s. I've been having some insomnia this week, not surprising given my chart versus the middle of Gemini ...

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    I haven't been sleeping too well this week either, I wonder if it's due to impact of the Super Moon. It's waning now though.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I haven't been sleeping too well this week either, I wonder if it's due to impact of the Super Moon. It's waning now though.
    I didn't know about it ... hmm, possibly.

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    I think it's fine to dissect certain aspects of birth charts online, but I don't think they should be for everyone's eyes, if you know what I mean. The timing for the birth and the birth parents for the soul are no mistake ever. My astrologer told me that I was born during Mercury retrograde, so what do you think it tells about me and they way I communicate? Her take on it was interesting. Usually devices and people are affected possibly adversely during Mercury retrograde, but how about people who were born during one?

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    Honestly, I don't recall much emphasis on retrograde motion. My impression was always as symbolism the only thing that mattered was one astral body in relation to another. On the other hand, if the direction of motion alters the relationship (aspect) between two bodies then that could have a 'transitory effect'.

    But if the idea of retrogression IS important, intuitively I would think that it would generate an 'opposite' tendency to the natural effect. In regard to Mercury that is intellect and communication. Knowing you as I do, (incidentally Mercury is never more than 30 degrees away from the birth/sun sign), I would say that the retrograde motion might have fostered an ability to 'hold one's tongue'. I need to read about it and see what I think...it is possible that I've simply forgotten.

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    So what was her take, Wind?

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    I just read a little bit about it. First recognized in the 1300's and first 'applied' in the 1800's. I'm not sure why I'm not 'consciously' familiar with that idea. I probably encountered it when I was studying it and it didn't impress as profoundly impacting so it slipped past my notice. I don't recognize certain principles that 'evolved' into vogue and perhaps that is a mistake. A given example is the use Charon as an influence. If I wanted to be/take Astrological study seriously, I would probably have to change my attitude. There have been changes historically that I am familiar with but were already in practice when I was involved. An example of that is before the outer planets were discovered a number of the signs shared planetary 'rulers'. I accepted that as 'normal'.

    Science does progress as we all know.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    So what was her take, Wind?
    On me, regards Mercury retrograde you mean?

    I googled about that and it said that people who are born during it are very shy in childhood. Prince was born during one too.

    I was very shy at times, I couldn't even look some people in the eyes and it took me time to get comfortable in certain surroundings or situations. I always hated looking people in the eyes, but I finally started to do that somewhere in my mid 20's because I wanted to seem normal and get rid of my limitations. Only when I started to get closer the age of 30 I finally started to get "more" comfortable with social interactions, but I wouldn't say that I am even now really comfortable with them.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    I was very shy at times, I couldn't even look some people in the eyes and it took me time to get comfortable in certain surroundings or situations. I always hated looking people in the eyes, but I finally started to do that somewhere in my mid 20's because I wanted to seem normal and get rid of my limitations.
    I doubt whether that would be astrological. It is however one of the traits of autism. I've got difficulty with it too, and I have known people on the spectrum who could never do it.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I doubt whether that would be astrological. It is however one of the traits of autism. I've got difficulty with it too, and I have known people on the spectrum who could never do it.
    Well yes, I am aware of that. Astrology just shows thing about us, it's like a map. It doesn't make us that way.

    My astrologer said that Mercury being retrograde at my birth means my communication skills are considerable and I see things differently to most people, from a different perspective and I see things other people miss. I am very detail-oriented and analytical and I always have wondered that why some people fail to see certain things, but I have to think about my communication skills. I don't consider myself a talker and if I was in a public room with people who aren't close or related to me then I would probably be the most quiet person there. I still probably would be the most quiet person even in my own family. It's easier for myself to express myself through writing or if I am really interested in some subject then I might more easily talk to someone about one-on-one. It can be a bit difficult for myself to verbalize my thoughts so I always think a lot about what I'm going to say. I admire people who have the gift of speech though, meaning the likes of people who can impactfully and even poetically say the things they mean and use words in a powerful way.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Well yes, I am aware of that. Astrology just shows thing about us, it's like a map. It doesn't make us that way.

    My astrologer said that Mercury being retrograde at my birth means my communication skills are considerable and I see things differently to most people, from a different perspective and I see things other people miss. I am very detail-oriented and analytical and I always have wondered that why some people fail to see certain things, but I have to think about my communication skills. I don't consider myself a talker and if I was in a public room with people who aren't close or related to me then I would probably be the most quiet person there. I still probably would be the most quiet person even in my own family. It's easier for myself to express myself through writing or if I am really interested in some subject then I might more easily talk to someone about one-on-one. It can be a bit difficult for myself to verbalize my thoughts so I always think a lot about what I'm going to say. I admire people who have the gift of speech though, meaning the likes of people who can impactfully and even poetically say the things they mean and use words in a powerful way.
    For sure I would agree with that.

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