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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yeah, but in spite of its name, that's not actually a Belgian beer. As you can read here, it's actually brewed and bottled in the USA.
    they didn't even bother to steal the ingredients?
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yeah, but in spite of its name, that's not actually a Belgian beer. As you can read here, it's actually brewed and bottled in the USA.
    they didn't even bother to steal the ingredients?
    Nope, they just copied the recipe of what we call "witbier" and then adapted that to the US market.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Nope, they just copied the recipe of what we call "witbier" and then adapted that to the US market.
    well that's bogus...witbier ... that sounds like a pejorative...Well, I like it but what would you expect from someone that gets most of their meals from MacDougal's

    Would you believe I can't get to a site explaining the qualities of the bier...crazy!
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    well that's bogus...witbier ... that sounds like a pejorative... [...]
    The term "witbier" literally means "white beer", because many of the beers brewed in Belgium are rather dark in color. The most famous Belgian "witbier" is Hoegaarden. It's quite bitter in taste.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    The term "witbier" literally means "white beer", because many of the beers brewed in Belgium are rather dark in color. The most famous Belgian "witbier" is Hoegaarden. It's quite bitter in taste.
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    Well, all American beer is copied from the European beers...and then the ‘Mericans finally fingered out folks like differing beers to taste and will pay for it (just like in Europe for the last several centuries) and the American “craft beer” industry started and the sales of Budweiser tanked.
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    Weird thing about the Joes. My parents and brother don't think average or regular is much to write home about. They think the people that matter are the ones that stand out. They always wanted to be with the special people or in the clubs or in some way exclusive.

    The average Joe is being used by the politicians and business types.

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    Joe Six Pack reduces many people who work with their hands down to a stereotype. I didn't go to university and when I did work it was always at jobs that were so damned difficult. Hard on the nerves, hard on the body, and hard on the ego.

    Not fun. I think it's important to understand that one of reason that many blue collar people are sensitive about stereotypes is not just 'hurt feelings,' it could be an underlying sense that they're beimg targeted for elimination, or at best the liberal elite will default to inaction or inappropriate actions that will further threaten them.

    Survival threats, like conditions of despair in the heartland, where people are dying of fentanyl overdoses, where greed and govt ineptitude following the last economic crisis, created a situation where people couldn't get mortgages. Houses were purchased for cash by those with means, into a vast customer base of former owners forced into default, who were then forced to rent. Strong demand forced rental prices sky high. More despair hitting "Joe Six Pack" disproportionately.

    Woven into the fabric of hopelessness and loss of purpose that underemployment engenders are threads of contempt from those in prosperous coastal regions who are well educated (formally). So discussing Joe Six Pack as almost a separate species is alarming indeed.

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    That's probably true and that's a deeply embedded result of very effective programming.

    The liberal elite merely want to see Joe, Josephine, Juan, Juanita, Jomo, and Jonice all treated equally and that apparently is a problem for Joe, Josephine, Juan, Juanita, Jomo and Jonice. The otherside would just as soon see them all go away with the exception of Joe and Josephine. They've relied on that demographic group to vote themselves into oblivion for over 50 years.
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    How come people don't complain about the Conservative Elite?

    They're pretty darn elite. I know 'cause I've seen it first-hand.

    Religious elite, economic elite, social elite.

    Logically, it's rather ludicrous to have that label attached to liberals.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    How come people don't complain about the Conservative Elite?

    They're pretty darn elite. I know 'cause I've seen it first-hand.

    Religious elite, economic elite, social elite.

    Logically, it's rather ludicrous to have that label attached to liberals.
    I understood that NotAPretender was talking of politicians and power brokers who call themselves "liberal", as in "US Democrats" — e.g. Barack Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden, George Soros, the late David Rockefeller, et al.

    I don't think NotAPretender was talking of the real, grassroots liberals.
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    The liberal elite perhaps want to see people treated equally along racial lines, or at least this appears to be the case. And as the coastal cities are great examples of economic apartheid, it's an ideal that is easily talked but not necessarily 'walked' They are perfectly happy with class divisions though and sneering, frowning and referring to Trump supporters as 'deplorables.'

    Don't get me wrong, I am not a Trump lover!

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    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    The liberal elite perhaps want to see people treated equally along racial lines, or at least this appears to be the case. And as the coastal cities are great examples of economic apartheid, it's an ideal that is easily talked but not necessarily 'walked' They are perfectly happy with class divisions though and sneering, frowning and referring to Trump supporters as 'deplorables.'

    Don't get me wrong, I am not a Trump lover!
    No, I"m with you...but if you haven't noticed...Trump's crowd are decidedly deplorable...I don't know why that statement was never clarified...just another reason to lose the election I guess.

    Quote Originally posted by Octopus Garden View Post
    The liberal elite perhaps want to see people treated equally along racial lines, or at least this appears to be the case. And as the coastal cities are great examples of economic apartheid, it's an ideal that is easily talked but not necessarily 'walked' They are perfectly happy with class divisions though and sneering, frowning and referring to Trump supporters as 'deplorables.'

    Don't get me wrong, I am not a Trump lover!
    But really, there are all kinds of forces pulling to and fro and the final deciderer is "Who really has the power to move the economy!"
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    NotaPretender,

    The Hillary crowd just as deplorable. Most of is are pretty deplorable, aren't we?

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    I have a family member who tried to take some inheritance from another. This person thought they deserved more or could use it better or whatever excuse they had. They lied to other family members about what they were doing.

    When they were caught, they doubled down and just kept trying to get away with it. They only stopped once lawyers were involved. Not because they decided to do the right thing.

    The doubling down on wrong is at the heart of what's deplorable. You know you're wrong, you don't give a crap, and you just do it more, stronger, harder. You 'stay the course' because you don't give a crap.


    It's not a 'both sides' thing, imo.

    When a woman goes to a rally wearing a shirt saying 'He can grab my ***** anytime', that's deplorable. It has no place in family values or making America great.

    When Evangelical leaders are supporting a guy who is the polar opposite of their values, then they've sold out and that's deplorable.


    The neo-nazis, in this country, have a very long history of organization and bringing forth social change, or stopping it. There is no equivalent on the left. There is no such parallel drive on the left. There is no parallel KKK.

    The Southerners were Democrats when I was a child. That was long, long ago. They've all gone to the right.

    The South is the source and heart of the KKK. Neo-nazis aren't liberal.

    If we're talking about left-wing extremism, we're most certainly not talking about liberal.

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