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    Alt-world books you must have in your library:

    Ok, I’m building a library of alt-world books and I wanted to start a thread of the books TOT folks think are “must have”. As I’m kind of a newbie, I thought I’d throw it open to what books you folks think I need to have.
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    I haven't gotten it yet, but there's a really interesting one called Giza Template by Edward Nightingale. I was thinking about getting it for my Dad.

    Edward Nightingale writes for the layperson as well as the adept. His books are written from the point of view of ancient architects, astronomers, and mathematicians faced with a daunting task. They were charged with constructing a repository of scientific data and encoding it within the architectural design. The design had to withstand both natural and man-made cataclysmic events for more than 600 generations into the future. Based on his hypothesis, the author presents a compelling case. He outlines precisely the geometric, mathematical model that the original architects used to design the Giza Plateau.
    Here's a piece Edward wrote for Graham Hancock's site. It has illustrations in it.

    That's the first one that pops into my head.

    (He just released the second book on this topic so there are two books available now. He interviewed with Jimmy Church).
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    I found some comments by a math guy:

    Jocelyn Godwin, in Harmonies of Heaven and Earth, states “Albert von Thimus (1806-1878), a polymathic researcher into ancient harmonic theory, …” called Plato’s Lambda (from Iamblichus) the Lambdoma. “Thimus developed the Lambdoma into a square diagram, which he called the ‘Pythagorean Table’ … Both von Thimus and his spiritual heir, Hans Kayser, believed that this was the fundamental diagram of the lost ancient science of Harmonics, hinted at by Plato … as the culmination of all learning, but never revealed publicly.
    What Edward has done is to demonstrate von Thimus to be correct, and has opened the way to further discovery on the Great Pyramid itself. Laird Scranton reminds us of the Hermetic axiom, “As above, so below. As within, so without.” The Great Pyramid is as Manly P. Hall stated a scale model of both the microcosm and the macrocosm. The precession of the equinoxes for earth is an analog for the precession of the electron in hydrogen. Herodotus reported that the Great Pyramid was a “wonder of physics.”

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    Yet to read it, We the Skythians and the precursor, here > Beaumont > https://jandeane81.com/showthread.ph...-The-Skythians

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    There are also some good books in here https://jandeane81.com/forumdisplay.php/57-Literature
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    In the interview with Jimmy Church at 1:16 hr. point Ed talks about Ophiucus.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Ok, I’m building a library of alt-world books and I wanted to start a thread of the books TOT folks think are “must have”. As I’m kind of a newbie, I thought I’d throw it open to what books you folks think I need to have.
    Ok, Mr Dumpster, after some thought, I came to the ONE book that YOU should absolutely have...Drum roll please!

    hmm, I can't think of the name of it, oh yeah...The Urantia Book
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Ok, Mr Dumpster, after some thought, I came to the ONE book that YOU should absolutely have...Drum roll please!

    hmm, I can't think of the name of it, oh yeah...The Urantia Book
    You are a cruel man.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    You are a cruel man.
    I admit I feared it might prove too painful...yeah really. But then he can surely just put it down...
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    I admit I feared it might prove too painful...yeah really. But then he can surely just put it down...
    He can have mine. A two thousand page book, it takes up unnecessary room. Although, it would provide toilet paper in an emergency.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    He can have mine. A two thousand page book, it takes up unnecessary room. Although, it would provide toilet paper in an emergency.
    I kept mine for ongoing curiosity. In the event anything happens that coincides with the book. Whether unlikely or not...
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    Umm. Hmm alt world section of the library?
    Is that with all the Whirled Alt world media vigaheads?
    Bit scary to be reminded of just how little I read off of paper, 'these days'.
    Certainly not non fiction so much. Though, my book shelf is predominantly non fiction so who knows.
    Art, atlas, How Things Work 1 and 2.

    Those David Icke books are meant to be good, but I have never read them.
    Half the titles I start to remember would really be ones from the philosophy and psychology sections.
    How about Arthur C Clarke ? :-P

    To be serious, 1984 would be a must have.
    On the sixth day of Hate Week, after the processions, the speeches, the shouting, the singing, the banners, the posters, the films, the waxworks, the rolling of drums and squealing of trumpets, the tramp of marching feet, the grinding of the caterpillars of tanks, the roar of massed planes, the booming of guns – after six days of this, when the great orgasm was quivering to its climax and the general hatred of Eurasia had boiled up into such delirium that if the crowd could have got their hands on the 2,000 Eurasian war-criminals who were to be publicly hanged on the last day of the proceedings, they would unquestionably have torn them to pieces – at just this moment it had been announced that Oceania was not after all at war with Eurasia. Oceania was at war with Eastasia. Eurasia was an ally.
    ..he was not troubled by the fact that every word he murmured into the speakwrite, every stroke of his ink-pencil, was a deliberate lie. He was as anxious as anyone else in the Department that the forgery should be perfect […] A mighty deed, which could never be mentioned, had been achieved. It was now impossible for any human being to prove by documentary evidence that the war with Eurasia had ever happened.
    "I betrayed you," she said baldly.

    "I betrayed you," he said.

    She gave him another quick look of dislike.

    "Sometimes," she said, "they threaten you with something you can't stand up to, can't even think about. And then you say, ‘Don't do it to me, do it to somebody else, do it to So-and-so.’ And perhaps you might pretend, afterwards, that it was only a trick and that you just said it to make them stop and didn't really mean it. But that isn't true. At the time when it happens you do mean it. You think there's no other way of saving yourself, and you're quite ready to save yourself that way. You want it to happen to the other person. You don't give a damn what they suffer. All you care about is yourself."

    "All you care about is yourself," he echoed.

    "And after that, you don't feel the same towards the other person any longer."

    "No," he said, "you don't feel the same."
    Goldstein discusses the pyramidal shape of society, which consists of the High, who wish to remain high, Middle, who wish to change places with the high, and Low, who wish to develop a society based on equality among all men. When the Middle works to overthrow the High, it enlists the Low to achieve its goals, and then pushes the Low back to their place. Thus, the Low are always trod upon, with no hope of true change or progress. This pattern became clear in the nineteenth century, when Socialism began to gain popularity. The socialist movements among the superstates turned into totalitarian rule, which eventually evolved into Ingsoc, Neo-Bolshevism, and Death-worship, and worked directly towards developing "unfreedom and inequality." The purpose of these systems was to stop progress and "freeze history at a chosen moment." Rather than moving forward, society moved backward, embracing concepts such as "imprisonment without trial, the use of war prisoners as slaves, public executions [and] torture." Goldstein blames the invention of the television for the complete loss of privacy and the drastic increase in domestic spying. The television and propagation of print media allows superstates to develop and maintain complete uniformity in opinion... Goldstein defines the four dangers to a ruling regime as being conquered from without, suffering from inefficient government leading to revolt, permitting a strong and independent Middle Group to develop, or losing self-confidence and willingness to govern. The main danger lies in the growth of liberalism. To address this, the government works efficiently to mold consciousness. As such, the infallible, all-powerful Big Brother sits at the apex of Oceanian society, as a representation of the Party to its country and the world, and "a focus point for love, fear, and reverence, emotions which are more easily felt toward an individual than toward an organization." Next lies the Inner Party, numbering approximately six million, less than two percent of the population. The Outer Party follows, filled with workers who allow the Party to maintain society, and finally come the proles, the "dumb masses" and non-Party members consisting of eighty-five percent of the population. Membership in these groups is defined by heredity, and each is monitored closely by the Thought Police to weed out any independent thinkers.

    Goldstein goes on to discuss the advent of Newspeak, the total lack of privacy demanded by the Party, and the central notion of the mutability of the past. Goldstein focuses specifically on the Newspeak word "doublethink," which means "the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them." Goldstein notes that the Party tends to embrace contradiction, "constantly linking opposites - knowledge with ignorance, cynicism with fanaticism," peace with war, truth with lies, plenty with starvation, love with torture. In this way, the Party has abandoned every basic principle of Socialism and turned its back on the original goals of the Revolution.

    Winston stops reading and realizes that Julia has fallen asleep. He lies down next to her, noting that he still has not learned the "ultimate secret." He knows how, but not why. He knew all of these things before, but reading Goldstein's words showed him that he was sane. He falls asleep murmuring, "Sanity is not statistical."
    I'll have to keep thinking.
    Is this for a physical library or a virtual one?
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    As far as Science Fiction goes, I have a two thousand volume collection in my library now. I have almost all of Arthur Clarke’s published works. Yup, 1984 is in there too.

    I checked out the Urantia book, but it didn’t resonate with me. But if Wizzy wants to be rid of his, I’ll certainly pay postage just to have it as possible reference.
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    Here is one for referencing: "back to eden" by Jethro Kloss. It's a classic guide for herbal medicine.
    Whatever is true. Whatever is noble. Whatever is right. Whatever is lovely. Whatever is admirable. Anything of excellence and worthy of praise. Dwell on these things. Jesus Christ (I agree)

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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    As far as Science Fiction goes, I have a two thousand volume collection in my library now. I have almost all of Arthur Clarke’s published works. Yup, 1984 is in there too.

    I checked out the Urantia book, but it didn’t resonate with me. But if Wizzy wants to be rid of his, I’ll certainly pay postage just to have it as possible reference.
    It companions well with both old and new testaments and the book of mormon, if that kind of cosmology is your thing. It will end up in your hands.
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