Alt-world books you must have in your library:

**enjoy being** · 13th April 2018, 04:39

Originally posted by Dumpster Diver

Cool, this hits me right in the Batcave...but I do think there is a lot to it.

Found a "redIce" interview with him. https://archive.org/details/Christop...odsWearSpandex

so far from a quick look, I think some of the 'free' pdf links to be found, are bogus.

**Emil El Zapato** · 13th April 2018, 12:39

Originally posted by Maggie

That is a super dooper keeper book. It is just such deep thunking no matter where it arose. But I find it disconcerting that Jane Roberst had severe physical difficulties. To me that is representative of an old paradigm of suffering. Speaking of suffering and redemptive features, One of the most touching books for me was
"The Education of Little Tree".

Forrest Carter I think was a bitter man but there is a sweetness and lovingness in this book and its loss may have been why he felt sour?

Here is a quote from an article about Carter.

In CHANNELING, if the channeling (what we are receiving) is high level, and what i mean is broader and larger than local contexts, there is reconciliation and direction to healing. The biggest reconciliation is in our own psyche. I cannot help but FEEL and think that suffering is unreconciled differences within. It is being pulled in more than one direction. Then paradox is needed and inner peace and it LOOKS like Carter was working to inner coherency and wrote a beautiful fictional take of wisdom CHANNELED through his life.

that's a remarkable history...

**Emil El Zapato** · 13th April 2018, 18:30

Originally posted by Nothing

Found a "redIce" interview with him. https://archive.org/details/Christop...odsWearSpandex

so far from a quick look, I think some of the 'free' pdf links to be found, are bogus.

I think you can appreciate this:

Or all of the examples are paying homage to art history. Something that humans are motivated to do dating way way back. "Need for a savior figure"...Holy kpow, another reference to Desmond Morris. One has to go much deeper than that for answers.

To use a very dated analogy: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

**Emil El Zapato** · 13th April 2018, 18:53

Originally posted by modwiz

"The Nature of Personal Reality" by Jane Roberts. A Seth book.

Ok, I bought it...she had a couple of other books regarding dreaming and while I was drawn to those, I went with your suggestion. I know I must have read at least one or two but I can't really remember. It is possible that at the time I felt channeling was 'demonic' and so stayed away from them. On the other hand, Montgomery was sort of about the same thing, except she was doing automatic writing, which I do remember reading about. To me, that was less threatening because auto writing was something you had to opt-in, where as channeling was more like something just grabbed you...I didn't like that at all. We shall see...

**GraceKB** · 13th April 2018, 18:53

Originally posted by Nothing

Found a "redIce" interview with him. https://archive.org/details/Christop...odsWearSpandex

so far from a quick look, I think some of the 'free' pdf links to be found, are bogus.

That was 11 yrs ago when Red Ice still had interesting guests and before Henrik went to the dark side. Even his voice sounds different. Pretty amazing.

**enjoy being** · 13th April 2018, 20:27

Originally posted by NotAPretender

I think you can appreciate this:

Or all of the examples are paying homage to art history. Something that humans are motivated to do dating way way back. "Need for a savior figure"...Holy kpow, another reference to Desmond Morris. One has to go much deeper than that for answers.

To use a very dated analogy: Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.

Nope I couldn't understand what that was meant to mean or how it related to my throw away comment about the pdf availability.

**Dreamtimer** · 13th April 2018, 22:12

I first heard of Jane Roberts via Robert Moss. Nice to know your experience, Modwiz.

I listened to an interview of the author of Our Gods Wear Spandex. Sounds like a good one.

**GraceKB** · 13th April 2018, 22:25

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

I first heard of Jane Roberts via Robert Moss. Nice to know your experience, Modwiz.

I listened to an interview of the author of Our Gods Wear Spandex. Sounds like a good one.

He's been on The Higherside Chats many times and also Gordon White's Rune Soup...one of my favorite magicians (White)

**Emil El Zapato** · 14th April 2018, 00:43

Originally posted by Nothing

Nope I couldn't understand what that was meant to mean or how it related to my throw away comment about the pdf availability.

I listened to it!?

**GraceKB** · 14th April 2018, 14:26

Originally posted by NotAPretender

Ok, I bought it...she had a couple of other books regarding dreaming and while I was drawn to those, I went with your suggestion. I know I must have read at least one or two but I can't really remember. It is possible that at the time I felt channeling was 'demonic' and so stayed away from them. On the other hand, Montgomery was sort of about the same thing, except she was doing automatic writing, which I do remember reading about. To me, that was less threatening because auto writing was something you had to opt-in, where as channeling was more like something just grabbed you...I didn't like that at all. We shall see...

I'm leery of both. You never know what you're opening yourself up to.

**Emil El Zapato** · 14th April 2018, 14:34

yeah, I agree, I certainly never tried it, automatic writing that is but it was interesting to learn about. Channeling in my opinion is very dangerous. I'm forgetting, is it the Pentecostals that speak in tongues. I was taking a religious based class and there was some discussion about it and my comment was "I'd rather not!"

**Dumpster Diver** · 14th April 2018, 16:28

Ok, I’ll post one of my favorite alt-world books:

I’m about to buy this:

https://www.amazon.com/Complete-Calv...vin+and+hobbes

**palooka's revenge** · 14th April 2018, 19:29

maybe the guy who kicked the ball down the rabbit hole for me 'n a whole lotta other folk back in the day is worth a spot...

WILLIAM COOPER

**Dreamtimer** · 15th April 2018, 13:07

Just discovered Charles Mann published a new book. The Wizard and the Prophet. It’s about humanity reaching 10 billion and the rammifications/implications.

The Wizard is Norman Borlaug and the Prophet is William Vogt. They had diametrically opposed ideas on how to deal with the issue and both have shaped society.

Charles wrote 1491 and 1493.

On phone now so can link to more later.

**Dreamtimer** · 1st June 2018, 17:02

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