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    The following was originally added to a prior post. I have moved it here to make it a new post.

    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    How can people in this community not the see that the ruling class - the bastards that be want division in society and people are doing their work for them by getting into conflict with each other all the time! For example, what happened to Occupy Wall Street? Why is Gitmo still standing? Why only very few people seem to care about people like Julian Assange? Why do people still believe the lies that get them and their countries into endless wars over oil and cheer for that?

    The real problem of this planet, the "elite" will just be laughing on their way to the bank and meanwhile all the Joe Sixpacks and white & blue collar-people keep on slaving away in a land of confusion "thinking" that they are free while they are brainwashed. Divide et impera.
    This is precisely my view and in effect, precisely as I stated above. I will have more to comment about this down the road.

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    Good move. I could continue the list for a few paragraphs...

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    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGfTPqOnqh8


    Right now I'm in a rest phase, and I don't really have the energy to go through the details of the Project Avalon debacle in detail.Maybe posting every 2-3 weeks might be better. I think, Aragorn, that it would be more productive of us to discuss Unix/Linux in the GNU thread, as I believe that is the best way to heal, move forward and do something creative. I'm trying to drop this issue for now, or maybe forever. Waking up and seeing replies to my posts stirs up thoughts and feelings, and I feel obliged to respond.

    So I will try and make this my last post on the subject, for now, at least. I will park my thoughts in neutral and move on.

    I actually signed up at the old PA board in 2009.I contributed to the New Project Avalon Library for over 7 years, and while I am trying to tell myself "who cares, it's just a board." I feel very strongly about what happened there. So this letter lets out 10 years of thoughts. Avalon was one of the greatest healing libraries in the world at one point. It still is, but the foyer is trashed and littered with broken glass.

    QUOTE FROM SAM:

    ***
    Would your opinion equally apply to [my words to follow]

    ...delusional faux-leftism. i.e. are certain posters allowed to have the run of the site and continually test limits. because they have donated?
    ***

    Yes it would. We just happen to be in a faux-right 8 year cycle. I am aware of the artificial political "divide" and the pointlessness of mudslinging. Thanks for bringing that up.

    I remember when the "Obama-will-save-us" psy-op caused similar damage to message boards in 07/08. So it is not a partisan issue, as you point out, Sam. What we have is loudmouth, self-absorbed, moneyed first-worlders bullhorning the rest of us with their "opinions" and causing multiple message boards to be sucked into a world of boredom, rancor and animosity. I tried to rise above it, but sometimes you have to call it out.

    DNA even admitted that he "supported Obama" and was "wrong". Uhhuh, OK. Yeah. So Obama is the man_on_the_horse in 2007, and DNA supports him. Here's one of his posts:

    http://projectavalon.net/forum4/show...ama#post257994

    Turns out Obama_on_a_horse is false. Now DNA switches sides and supports Trump. OK. Uhhuh. Really? There's a pattern emerging here. It's not right vs left. What we have is delusionals vs pragmatists, for want of better words.

    I believe most Avalons to be peaceful people, focused on healing, music, nutrition, meditation, new ways of living. etc. The PA board started off well. A leafy glade in the forest had been found, a library was set up. A campfire was lit.

    Now a tour-bus pulls up, and a bunch of red faced, braying loudmouths waddles into the glade... and we endure years and years of Amero-centric political bullhorning, crotch thrusting, and esoteric fear porn, from BOTH sides of the mental ward.

    Obama will save you.
    BRICS will save you.
    Putin will save you.
    WWIII is coming from Syria/Iran etc.
    Trump will save you.
    Sea levels will rise.
    Q will save you.



    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbmBgeK14-k


    What we have here... leaving the money question aside.... is a sustained, pre-meditated, calculated abuse of trust, time and human energy. Not from the "left", not from the "right", but from aggressive, self-absorbed sophists selling us faux-freedom in a silly, sanctimonious pseudo-intellectual shell-game.

    Dennis is right to point out the huge amount of time suckered into this fiasco. What could have been done if we'd focused on building something useful? And I think that is the point of this all... to distract, deny, degrade and distract again. I'm actually kind of flattered that someone is making such a huge effort to bring the Avalon Mission down.

    *

    Why does this annoy me so much? Because if humanity does not get its act together, then we will waddle/shuffle into cashless global government and never get out. Avalon was one of the nodes that could have resisted cashless tyranny, and been a beacon of sanity and light in the coming years. And now it's overrun. I think Avalon was deliberately targeted.

    So, yes, I'm a little stressed from over-work. But this is not just forumite gossip. Q's support of an Iran attack proves there's something serious afoot.

    Now, I'm not actually as sensitive as people make out. But if I ask a question on Avalon like "Hey {POSTER X}, are you paid to be here?... why are you always here?" ... then passive-aggressive hell breaks loose, several plain-clothes posters take off their tie-dyed T-Shirts, and underneath their hippy garb, we see they are dressed in full-on Nurse Ratched regalia. I would like to talk situations like this out, but threads get locked quick if you talk back to an inner-circle poster. These posters are very much protected, despite the occasional show-banning, in ways that are difficult to discern, but still tangible. The Avalon razor-tripwires are hard to find, but they are sure there hidden in the grass. A lot of people agree with me. A lot. They're just too scared to say it out loud.

    Now I do respect Bill, but I'm sorry, I do not see him as the innocent "Im-staying-out-of-this" neutral that he makes himself out to be. Bill's annoyed? So am I. The "damage"... (Bill's words) I caused to Avalon took 2 weeks. Bill's took ten years.

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    Someone is making a huge effort to control the forums. That tells me a lot.

    Now there's a price to pay for all this high-volume politiking, "folks". The price is... creative people with brains, hearts and options are just going to flat out leave boards that have been overturned. I did. So did a ton of others. What now? Our "passionate political pundits" are going to be left bullhorning in a black, empty deserted isle (deserted aisle?). We will go to places where they cannot find us. I don't want to be suckered into a political whirlpool for two years, then be lectured about how we should "work together" by the very people who caused the problem. More than anything else, it's mind-numbingly boring. You may want to ask yourselves why my posts were allowed to stand on 6/6. Mods were fully aware of them. Ponder that.

    Please no one make out I am some basement dweller who doesn't do anything else but walk around arguing on the net, hahaha. I am plenty active outside the boards, and do good things with good people at the weekend. My post count on Avalon and The One Truth is comparatively low compared to many. But one facet of my life has to be spent online. I come on the net cos I think it's a good way to learn with people. I have found life saving health info here. I spend time on the Middle-Earth boards cos I'm learning programming or drumming online, and I need something esoteric to offset those fields of study. I see a lot of people offline, my job is highly social... but one pre-requisite of success is hours of semi-solitary self-study. They call it the Woodshed, right? Charlie Parker transformed himself in the woodshed, so did Zed Shaw and Sonny Rollins. Avalon helped me through the self-study I needed to get good at programming and guitar. I don't have enough money to go to a coding bootcamp.

    I'm not going to string this out now I've vented. Thanks for letting me get this off my chest. I've actually blown off less than most in this thread. All of you have said plenty of things in this discussion... so plz everyone allow me my time to talk things out, without being overly censorious or stifling. You all went through this exit-rant-phase too. I'll get through it. I process emotions quick.

    *

    Here's an apology letter I wrote after an exchange with a calm and kind mod. I sent it to them after they initiated a conversation, and was told "thanks for the letter," The agreement was I would tidy some of my dumber posts, and we would find a place to post it. My account was then suddenly locked without warning and I could no longer post this letter. So Bill has not actually told any straight up untruths, but he sure does omit a lot. And the buck does stop with him, even though he pretends it doesn't.

    What we have in Avalon is a media arm of a nascent technocratic feudal state. Those pesky globalists are trying to build a 5G control grid in China. Bless them They sure do work hard! Take a look at Sesame Credit. It's technocratic tyranny. That's not cool, it's not edgy, it's not fun for friends or family. There are factions that want to expand China's control system worldwide. Piecemeal propagandists are swarming like mechanized locusts all over the discussion boards, and it goes way beyond left/right/left/right/left/right arguments.

    https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...4WYY4wAPQ/edit

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    Avalon has become a propaganda-by-distraction arm of those who seek to incrementally bring in bourgeois techno-fascism. Imagine if VoiceFromTheMountains was your supervisor, and could automatically fine you for "dissent". That's already happening in China. Why are we being distracted with this Q/Trump "intel"? Wake up, Neo. Wake up and walk away.

    There's way more under the surface, which I am obliged to hold my tongue about out of respect for other's privacy and safety. God, if only you knew. God protect us all.

    Writing that up took 2 hours, but it's better that these swirling thoughts are on paper than in my head. If we all let this go for now... I'll go play drums, walk in the woods, swim, code, watch comedy, and get my Epiphone SG fixed. If I read another post quoting me, I'll probably just let it slide. Please no more questions. Thanks in advance for that. I really, really do believe in creating positive space, but sometimes, if you see black mould in the corner, you have to scrub it. Otherwise it'll grow.

    Aragorn, we are best off in the Unix thread. We have some interesting info to exchange which may benefit others. I don't think another multi-quoted exchange on board politics would help either of us. I understand that you or anyone else may want to respond to these posts, that's cool. But I will probably just leave it there regarding replying here, and not answer any more questions. We all have things to do offline, and you could help me do something really positive, creative and useful for the world if you gave me some pointers on Unix.
    Thanks for reading,

    Daozen

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    Now...

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    Part of this ever repeating pattern of lather, rinse, repeat that we see with the revolving door Daozen, based on my experience beginning 2010 with the advent of now hidden "Charles, Rulers of the World Material", is how members who begin to see through the oh so subtle technocratic control mechanisms steering general membership behavior and thought patterns that are in place, and dare to start describing what they are beginning to "see', are duly phased out of the machine's rear end even as the new wide eyed recruits are arriving to begin the cycle all over again with the typical rah rah go team!

    I don't really blame it any more, it's like blaming a machine for doing what it does. It's cold and impersonal, like don't go feeling around under the lawnmower for a loose bolt while it's running, results for fingers involved are predictable.

    I think however what always gets lost in this type of conversation is that said problem is never isolated to one lone "Project", it's systemic, with this one particular "Project" in question being only one tiny spoke amongst many other spokes supporting a grand spinning wheel over great periods of time.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Quote Originally posted by The Reader View Post
    Hi Silly Wabbit!

    Thank you for the clarification on the auditing, very helpful. Are you able to comment on the after-effects on the members that did have the auditing process? It looks like that when the members returned to PA after the meet-up, there seems to have been quite a bit of negativity swirling abound and around, some members even have accounts retired or whatever the correct euphemism is.

    Was it good fun at the meet-up? What was your overall take away from it? I suppose people are people are people are people, whenever and wherever we may be from.

    Thanks for your ensight.
    I was not one of those that had the auditing done, so I can't tell you if there were lasting benefits from those that had it done while we were there. I never asked those members if the effects lasted? That's a good question actually.

    As far as the negativity? I can only speculate. I can tell you when I came back from the event. I was overwhelmed. I had just experienced a lot of energy all at one time. many personalities for 9 days and 8 nights non stop. Plus two days of driving and flying, and waiting at airports. I was exhausted. Physically and emotionally.

    But to try to even touch what each member was feeling or thinking would be speculation on my part. And while I may have some opinions, they're just that, so I will keep them to myself. And not add to the gossip pile.

    My take away from that event? Was that I have 20 new friends. I honestly believe that people have some opinions about others that really would be changed if they did have the opportunity and the resources to make it to one of these events, so that they truly got to know the people that they're communicating with online.

    And they will realize that we all are human. We all have flaws, we all can be misunderstood, and for the most part, we all try our best to "Get it right"..
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Part of this ever repeating pattern of lather, rinse, repeat that we see with the revolving door Daozen, based on my experience beginning 2010 with the advent of now hidden "Charles, Rulers of the World Material", is how members who begin to see through the oh so subtle technocratic control mechanisms steering general membership behavior and thought patterns that are in place, and dare to start describing what they are beginning to "see', are duly phased out of the machine's rear end even as the new wide eyed recruits are arriving to begin the cycle all over again with the typical rah rah go team!

    I don't really blame it any more, it's like blaming a machine for doing what it does. It's cold and impersonal, like don't go feeling around under the lawnmower for a loose bolt while it's running, results for fingers involved are predictable.

    I think however what always gets lost in this type of conversation is that said problem is never isolated to one lone "Project", it's systemic, with this one particular "Project" in question being only one tiny spoke amongst many other spokes supporting a grand spinning wheel over great periods of time.
    That is very accurate Fred. Yes I don't blame anyone. It is what it is. I'll go edit the more over-the-top sections of my post out now. I just needed to splurge that out. Thanks for listening everyone.
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    I can relate to Daozen's long post. Perhaps he needs this as a bit of therapy after the way he was treated over there. It took me quite a long time to get over the way I was treated as well. It is not pleasant to be excluded from a community for simply being who you are.

    It is the online equivalent of the village deciding you're a troublemaker and forcing you to go into exile into the wilderness. I was only a member for a month or so, but it was painful enough. I can imagine it is far worse after being part of a community for a decade. I do think that many of these forums abuse the ban button a bit too readily. Unless someone is genuinely behaving in a threatening or disruptive manner, their right to free speech and having an opinion of their own should be respected.

    I have noticed that both the quality and quantity of posts has gone downhill over at PA lately. I used to check in regularly, but there's barely any interesting discussions going on right now. It is perhaps a sign of the times that serious discussion forums are in decline whereas superficial social media BS is on the rise.

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    Cheers Chris. Yeah, just got to get all those dusty feelings out in the open. In California, when they want to de-stress, they go hit pillows and scream, I heard. I prefer to just write it out. To be clear, I did ask to leave. Did it very quietly and dignified at first. But they refused, said they'd "consider my decision", then baited me. It's all in the Google Doc I linked, post by post. No point going over it again, it'll just bore you all. So I asked to leave. But the way it was done... accepting an apology letter then banning me before I could post anything. Ooooosh. Executive privilege was used again and again. There's no rulebook there. No accountability, no oversight. It's all just dark, autocratic decisions from behind the scenes. I just, literally feel as if parts of my soul are tied up there, and I need to extricate them somehow. And yes, it's like a bizarre Stepford village if you break the many, many unspoken rules. There are good mods there, some of them. I won't embarrass them by naming them. But they know who they are.

    But oh well. That's life. At least they are hosting our content, and we all contributed to a great library of knowledge. So it's all good. And it's a sunny day. So who cares anymore? Life goes on and you learn. It's all just a learning journey.

    So no hard feelings Bill.

    P.S. Bill. The Earth is flat. Flat as a pancake.

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    Quote Originally posted by Daozen View Post
    P.S. Bill. The Earth is flat. Flat as a pancake.
    Please tell me you're not serious about that.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Chris View Post
    ... I do think that many of these forums abuse the ban button a bit too readily. Unless someone is genuinely behaving in a threatening or disruptive manner, their right to free speech and having an opinion of their own should be respected.

    I have noticed that both the quality and quantity of posts has gone downhill over at PA lately. I used to check in regularly, but there's barely any interesting discussions going on right now. It is perhaps a sign of the times that serious discussion forums are in decline whereas superficial social media BS is on the rise.

    I have been visiting less as well lately, although, honestly, the original reason I would go back to PA were threads which were originally started by Gio. They were always interesting and informative and had conversations going on.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Part of this ever repeating pattern of lather, rinse, repeat that we see with the revolving door Daozen, based on my experience beginning 2010 with the advent of now hidden "Charles, Rulers of the World Material", is how members who begin to see through the oh so subtle technocratic control mechanisms steering general membership behavior and thought patterns that are in place, and dare to start describing what they are beginning to "see', are duly phased out of the machine's rear end even as the new wide eyed recruits are arriving to begin the cycle all over again with the typical rah rah go team!

    I don't really blame it any more, it's like blaming a machine for doing what it does. It's cold and impersonal, like don't go feeling around under the lawnmower for a loose bolt while it's running, results for fingers involved are predictable.

    I think however what always gets lost in this type of conversation is that said problem is never isolated to one lone "Project", it's systemic, with this one particular "Project" in question being only one tiny spoke amongst many other spokes supporting a grand spinning wheel over great periods of time.
    An associate of mine indirectly led me to this book a few months ago -

    The System of Antichrist: Truth & Falsehood in Postmodernism & the New Age

    Don't be put off by any mention of "Christ" or "Antichrist" for that matter as the book deals with exactly what your post, Fred, pointed to.

    The associate I mention is named Jasun Horsley and at this time his review and commentary on this book is found at this link here.

    His post starts with -

    When the student is ready, the master appears” is the saying. When the reader is ready, the book appears. Or so it was for me.
    EDIT ADDED: @Daozen - So much of your posts (but particularly the few above) coupled with what comes across as honest and with a humbleness in your expressions (as best as anyone can do, especially considering the circumstances) has moved me in such a strong way I had to say, "Thanks." Truly, you and your posts are truly appreciated.

    I hope folks are able to so each of us as works in progress. I ask this not pointing at others, but pointing at myself. I would not want to go through what others have (and I have before) in relation to these forums. Its why I disabled PMs and have chosen to remain an active member at only one forum of this nature, this one.
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    Hello Denise - welcome to ToT

    A few questions:

    • Were you in the room at the same time that the Scientology(TM) processing happened?
    • Did you watch it or hear it happening?
    • Was it video'd and then presented to the whole world?
    • How large was the group that witnessed the processing?
    • Who exactly was processed and give us an example of some of the questions that they were asked?
    • Were the people informed that they must be well fed, well rested, feeling safe and secure, understand what the scientology processes would be done to them ?
    • Lastly, how many people were banned, or unsubscribed (WeRone/Elizabeth for instance whom you stayed with), or put on 1 month or more leave (punishment)?



    You probably don't know but in Scientology, on the boats, they would punish people the same way for the slightest infraction about questioning the old man..

    People realized soon enough the terror that was lain in should they say or even THINK for themselves or question the doctrines coming down.


    Quote Originally posted by Silly Wabbit View Post
    I was not one of those that had the auditing done, so I can't tell you if there were lasting benefits from those that had it done while we were there. I never asked those members if the effects lasted? That's a good question actually.

    As far as the negativity? I can only speculate. I can tell you when I came back from the event. I was overwhelmed. I had just experienced a lot of energy all at one time. many personalities for 9 days and 8 nights non stop. Plus two days of driving and flying, and waiting at airports. I was exhausted. Physically and emotionally.

    But to try to even touch what each member was feeling or thinking would be speculation on my part. And while I may have some opinions, they're just that, so I will keep them to myself. And not add to the gossip pile.

    My take away from that event? Was that I have 20 new friends. I honestly believe that people have some opinions about others that really would be changed if they did have the opportunity and the resources to make it to one of these events, so that they truly got to know the people that they're communicating with online.

    And they will realize that we all are human. We all have flaws, we all can be misunderstood, and for the most part, we all try our best to "Get it right"..

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    Quote Originally posted by Bob View Post
    Hello Denise - welcome to ToT

    You probably don't know but in Scientology, on the boats, they would punish people the same way for the slightest infraction about questioning the old man..

    People realized soon enough the terror that was lain in should they say or even THINK for themselves or question the doctrines coming down.
    Hi Bob.. Thank You for telling me about Tot. I never thought I would get to speak to the members that left PA once they were gone. I promise I am not following you.

    [LIST][*]Were you in the room at the same time that the Scientology(TM) processing happened?

    Yes.. I was there when the demonstration started, to the time that it finished.
    [*]Did you watch it or hear it happening?

    I heard most, if not all of it, I was sitting in the back of the room... It was a small room and we sat in a circle... I heard what the auditor said, and I heard MOST of what the members said, but their backs were turned to me, as they were facing the auditor. So I did miss a few comments that they made, as I have poor hearing in one ear... I saw MOST of it..

    (I have to add here, that towards the end of the auditing, I had to close my eyes, as I was experiencing a strange phenomenon. I spoke to Bob about this... And I think this may be why he is asking these questions. And I am very curious as to what everyone else has to say about this.. So I am truly glad he is approaching the question. )

    In short, the entire time the auditing was happening I was receiving images in my mind.. A hummingbird and a heart, they would alternate, and this happened for an hour or more. I finally had to close my eyes in hopes of tuning the images out. I did ask Bob what he thought that was.. He suggested that perhaps it had something to do with the auditing. For the record I was NOT audited.
    [*]Was it video'd and then presented to the whole world?

    No.. There were members that wished to remain private. They did not want their names known, they did not want their details to be known, and as such there was no recording of the auditing, to respect their wishes.
    [*]How large was the group that witnessed the processing?

    I am fairly certain that most, if not all of the members stayed for the auditing demonstration. If anyone left, from my memory, it was to use the restroom, or perhaps make a phone call. Perhaps someone may have left for a flight out? But if memory serves me, we had a full house.
    [*]Who exactly was processed and give us an example of some of the questions that they were asked?

    I would like to respect the privacy of those that had the auditing done to them. They volunteered under the premise that their identities would not be shared outside of that room.. And the members present respected their personal wishes. I believe 3 members were audited. 2 males, and one female however. If anyone else had it done, I have forgotten about it. A LOT happened over the course of those 9 days.

    As far as the questions? They were basic questions such as, "is there something that you want to talk about?" (There was already the understanding that we were seeing them try to release charge about things that they were carrying around with them, so the question was in regards to those things). It was assumed.. As per the description of what the equipment does.
    [*]Were the people informed that they must be well fed, well rested, feeling safe and secure, understand what the Scientology processes would be done to them ?

    I don't recall anything being said about any preparations for such things. But I may have missed that? I do not believe that people were told that they generally must prepare for anything with any special considerations.

    There was a short presentation as to what auditing is, how this gentlemen got involved in the field of auditing, what the equipment did.. And what the needle movements meant.. And some demonstration as to what was a floating needle, and what was a charge, and what it looks like on the equipment. One could liken it to a description of what is going to happen when they have an ultrasound..

    "We are going to put this cans in your hands.. When the needle is here it is registering a charge, when it is here, it is floating, etc..." it was a very basic description of how it works..

    I still don't understand what the Scientology "processes were" that were apparently done to them. To me it seemed more like a placebo affect, and yet I do believe that placebo's do work for those that believe in them. In my honest opinion, one could get the same result by talking to a trusted friend, as sometimes it is nice just to let something go, by sharing it.

    Aside from the holding of the cans and talking, and hearing the auditor ask questions? I didn't see any "Processes". As far as I could tell that was the "process..." Meaning there was nothing being done to them that was visual, just them holding those cans.
    [*]Lastly, how many people were banned, or unsubscribed (WeRone/Elizabeth for instance whom you stayed with), or put on 1 month or more leave (punishment)?

    I would have to go back to the PA site and count. To be honest here, that is really none of my business, and if those members chose to confide in me any of their own personal feelings, it would be a breach of their trust in me, to suggest anything openly. I do not wish to perpetuate gossip.

    As far as We-R-One? I will speak to this, as I know people are aware that we were roommates in Laughlin. I believe that We-R-One was going to remove herself from PA anyway. She had suggested to me as much, prior to our return from Laughlin.. I think I am not breaking any trusts here, as she was very vocal about her opinions about PA, and her place there. I do not speak to the mods about such things, and while me and We-R-One had our own falling out? I NEVER asked the mods to address it, it happened while we were in our room, and it had nothing to do with the gathering or those that went to it. We simply had two very different ways of seeing life that clashed traumatically. Nothing more.. There were many who heard about our falling out as We-R-One told people, and I was given some massive support while I was there. I do not want to turn that into something ugly.

    I DO NOT believe that this was the reason that We-R-One was removed, but if it was? I will take the heat for that. Just to stop the gossip.. It is apparent everyone knows SOME of the details.. So yes, it happened. We worked through it..

    I have nothing to do with what happened between any of these members and their own situations with their self imposed breaks, their removals, of their vacations given by the moderators. To do so would be me sticking my nose into where it doesn't belong. And only perpetuating more gossip, as the best I could do is share opinions I have. Sharing hearsay without all the details, I think that is dangerous.

    While I may at times discuss my opinions, they're just that.. And I try very hard to make sure everyone knows it is an opinion, not something they should take as their own truth. I tend to notice many do share their opinions on these sites as the ultimate truth, and I think that is where a lot of the controversy starts.

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    [*]Was it video'd and then presented to the whole world?[*]

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    No.. There were members that wished to remain private. They did not want their names known, they did not want their details to be known, and as such there was no recording of the auditing, to respect their wishes.
    Hi Denise,

    I thought I recalled watching Jim do that auditing demonstration back then, so to make sure I wasn't imagining things I went over to Target's YouTube channel and sure as shit, there it was. There was even live commenting enabled off to the right side as it went out live to the open internet. I'm pretty sure I saw you in the back there just as you said.

    He must be a sneaky devil with that camera, I had a grandfather who was good like that as well when filming the kids and grandkids.

    Anyway, the opening presentation begins at about 16 minutes in, and the first volunteer to be audited presents himself at about 38 minutes in.

    Oh, and again glad you're here!
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    [*]Was it video'd and then presented to the whole world?[*]



    Hi Denise,

    I thought I recalled watching Jim do that auditing demonstration back then, so to make sure I wasn't imagining things I went over to Target's YouTube channel and sure as shit, there it was. There was even live commenting enabled off to the right side as it went out live to the open internet. I'm pretty sure I saw you in the back there just as you said.

    He must be a sneaky devil with that camera, I had a grandfather who was good like that as well when filming the kids and grandkids.

    Anyway, the opening presentation begins at about 16 minutes in, and the first volunteer to be audited presents himself at about 38 minutes in.

    Oh, and again glad you're here!
    Thank You Fred.. I am happy to be here. It is nice being able to meet everyone in the community. I thought I never would meet those that moved on. This video should clarify a lot, thank you for checking. I hadn't realized that this was filmed. I actually thought it was deliberately not filmed. (After a while you forget the camera is even there.) Most of the filming that was done, was done with the camera in the center of the circle. If you look at the other videos you will see that they're filmed almost from the perspective of my chair... When I came back into the room, I didn't see that camera on a tripod there, so I assumed (Wrongly) that it had been turned off and moved aside. My mistake.

    Apparently I did walk out and use the ladies room during his introduction, but my description of what I remembered is still accurate. No mention of having to prep for a session? Unless I missed that? That was me walking back into the room at the 36:42 mark. At which point he spoke about the equipment and then started the auditing.

    (My profile image was taken that evening while we were at dinner. I was wearing the same shirt, so you should be able to see I was there for the record, and I still had on my neck tag "thingie.") I had a great time while I was there.
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