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    Quote Originally posted by Nothing View Post
    See to me, there is no need to reconcile old manuscripts, and progressive revelation (by what it looks to be defined as), is easily a mechanism of control. I find no reason to have what seems like apologetics and an attempt at constructive reasoning in order to explain away any variations between the Enoch revelation and the New Testament revelation. That in itself is to me a fingerprint created as a result of the Roman bastardisation and hijacking of the 'story'.

    Though that is already getting too far into the tangle of it all for me, and I'm not really interested in it enough to debate any further than that. But it would be maybe interesting to hear others discuss it.
    possibly, but it makes sense to me that Abraham's God wasn't in to telling humanity that same-sex marriage while contrary to procreation does have an altruistic basis. Same-sex couples provide resources for siblings children. Same-sex couples believe in love, for each other. Are you ready to hear that from a truly authoritative (i.e. not authoritarian) voice? Progressive revelation, we get what we need when we need it. Creation, sorta works that way.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    possibly, but it makes sense to me that Abraham's God wasn't in to telling humanity that same-sex marriage while contrary to procreation does have an altruistic basis. Same-sex couples provide resources for siblings children. Same-sex couples believe in love, for each other. Are you ready to hear that from a truly authoritative (i.e. not authoritarian) voice? Progressive revelation, we get what we need when we need it. Creation, sorta works that way.
    Huh? lol. Anyway, not my cup of tea. That all just sounds like religious dogma turning inside itself to me sorry. That to me is not anything of the words you used. So many grey areas on the choice of words. Love, for a start. Creation secondly. Revelation - jargon. And then the whole topic of what one's opinion on how same sex love has evolved.
    I'm trying to back out slowly but feel the need to run fast and scrub myself. Each to their own.

    And sorry it is really late and I get blunter with my honesty the later it gets! lol night all.
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    Well, my view is: same sex “love” happens when folks change sex from one incarnation to the next, but that person clings to his/her’s inclinations of the last incarnation(s).

    Anyway, I think it better than damning them as an abomination in the sight of God per many of my bible-thumping “Christian” friends.
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    Quote Originally posted by Nothing View Post
    Huh? lol. Anyway, not my cup of tea. That all just sounds like religious dogma turning inside itself to me sorry. That to me is not anything of the words you used. So many grey areas on the choice of words. Love, for a start. Creation secondly. Revelation - jargon. And then the whole topic of what one's opinion on how same sex love has evolved.
    I'm trying to back out slowly but feel the need to run fast and scrub myself. Each to their own.

    And sorry it is really late and I get blunter with my honesty the later it gets! lol night all.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Well, my view is: same sex “love” happens when folks change sex from one incarnation to the next, but that person clings to his/her’s inclinations of the last incarnations.

    Anyway, I think it better that damning them as an abomination in the sight of God per many of my bible-thumping “Christian” friends.
    That's a fair view for some of the cases. Though I don't think that applies to all incidences. It matters me not, and to point fingers is not the intention, and perhaps because of what happened to me as a child the topic triggers me a bit.
    But in my view there are cases like you mention, but I am also of the opinion, with a reasonable amount of insight, that some, mainly men, are not 'gay' from birth, but become that way via a few paths (and you probably wouldn't describe them as gay anyway), mainly from forms of sex addiction and mental disorders centred around sex. I know that isn't the case in the 'conventional' sense, but also know that not all of it is 'natural'. But yeah, I'd say most of those types wouldn't be getting into loving relationships with the same sex. One size does not fit all, and that topic seems almost taboo these days to suggest that some are indeed 'possessed' in some interaction with 'their' demons. Just like some people turn into 'demons' when they drink alcohol or are tempted by various treasures.
    Hence what I was intending last night while overly tired, which was to say that the example offered had so many debatable aspects and loop holes that it was going to turn any rebuttal into a very large merry-go-round.
    I have massive aversions to when people start talking about the characters in their chosen 'scripts' in a way which infers that they own certain concepts, like evolution or creation or care for the Earth mother. To me it all sounds like indoctrination. Especially when you watch someone go from being sorta 'normal' to using the 'speak' of their religion.
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    Quote Originally posted by Nothing View Post
    T[...] But in my view there are cases like you mention, but I am also of the opinion, with a reasonable amount of insight, that some, mainly men, are not 'gay' from birth, but become that way via a few paths (and you probably wouldn't describe them as gay anyway), mainly from forms of sex addiction and mental disorders centred around sex. I know that isn't the case in the 'conventional' sense, but also know that not all of it is 'natural'.[...]
    If I read you correctly, then I think you would be talking about omnisexuality, which is not really a sexual orientation, but rather an attitude that one can have sex with anyone regardless of their gender, or — as in some cases — with anything, including animals.

    I happen to have known a couple of people like that, but I strongly disagree that this would be mostly a phenomenon among men. In fact, if you look at the porn industry — and I happen to know a few ladies who have been employed in that sector in the past — then you will see this phenomenon mostly among women. And that's because the porn industry urges even perfectly heterosexual women into having sex with one another — it sells better — which these women then initially consent to for the same reason as why they've entered the porn industry in the first place, i.e. for the money — in essence, the porn industry is actually an extended form of prostitution. But because they are getting aroused during those acts, they then automatically start thinking that they are bisexual. And some of them will of course genuinely be, but I reckon that the vast majority of porn actresses would actually be straight.

    One of the now former porn actresses whom I know did indeed describe herself to me as bisexual, but I do not believe that she would be, even though she has indeed had sex with women — or at least, she had during her "career". But in my opinion, she's simply way too feminine to be bisexual. But in the meantime, it has been more than ten years since I've last seen her. She was a waitress at a café-restaurant that I used to regularly have dinner at, and that place doesn't even exist anymore today. It went bankrupt, then it was taken over by somebody else under a new name, then it went bankrupt again, and then it was ultimately torn down, now about two years ago. So I don't know what has become of her, or whether she's in a stable relationship now. At the time she was in the middle of breaking up with a guy who was gambling all of her money away on slot machines.

    I also know a woman — once again somebody whom I haven't seen in a long time anymore, and now we're talking almost twenty years, even — whose boyfriend insisted on a threesome with her and another woman, and in order to placate him — because she was (and to the best of my knowledge, still is) madly in love with him, even though the guy is a certifiable loser — she agreed to it. When I confronted her with that — in a gentle manner — so as to make her realize that her boyfriend was only using her for his sexual gratification and that he didn't really love her, she told me that "she wouldn't necessarily do that again, but it was not a bad experience."

    Lastly, there are various rumors from different sources that my first ex-fiancée was also omnisexual for a while, and some of those sources are quite credible. I'm not saying she's still like that, but she did turn out to have an — in my personal opinion — excessive interest in all things ado with sex while she and I were living together. I think she was probably still experimenting at that stage, because she has always been what you could call "wild and adventurous". She was certainly highly hedonistic, materialistic, looking for self-gratification and hungry for attention — especially from men. I would even go so far as to say that there may have been a fair degree of psychopathy involved.

    But of course, there are men like that as well. For one, I have heard — from someone who is a member here at The One Truth — that Simon Parkes not only sends nude pictures of himself to women, but also to men, even though he's straight. And I personally know a guy — he owns (or at any rate runs) a very well-known restaurant here in town — who, even though he's definitely a heterosexual, used to have romantic relationships with drag queens, even though he stated that he did not actually have sex with them. (Ewwww! )

    I have also once seen a man and a woman in an erotic embrace — French-kissing and all — while the guy was actually strictly gay and the woman was actually strictly a lesbian. That was weird too. Maybe it was some kind of role reversal game.

    But so anyway, yes, the phenomenon does exist. But again, I disagree that it would be mostly men who "swing that way". But women tend to be more physical with one another in their social contact than men, so it's likely to stand out more whenever a man does that sort of thing.
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    your likely correct Nothing....the demon thing...prison folks for example...that is a 'classic' example and would likely be considered sinful...lust of any kind so qualifies... so saith the bible ...

    Progressive Revelation is something 'my religion' would have me flogged and walking around in an 'ash bag' for even thinking such thoughts.

    I would agree with Aragorn on the prevalence of 'skewed' sexual behavior.

    A 40-year study indicated that women tend to lean a little across the hard heterosexual line by biological predisposition.
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    Lean across the hard heterosexual line...as in women are more likely to be heterosexual? I find that believable. Men seem to have a stronger drive/stronger need to have sex regularly. If that's the case, filling in the gaps w/men kinda makes sense.

    I'm no scholar on the subject. I'm having my 26th anniversary this year and I don't screw around. I've never been with or even fantasized or dreamt of being with a woman. Just not my thing.

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    lean across as in crossing the street, Dreamtimer ...
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    Mrs. Dark Knight keeps me on a tight leash so I haven’t the faintest of what you guys are talking about.
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    This is a story about a personal encounter at an airport.

    A man was waiting at a gate and another man told him a compelling story.

    “I met the most amazing man one Sunday at our church; please, can I tell you about him?”

    “I play in a band at our church. This man came into our service as we were playing the pre-worship. I noticed he had a tee-shirt with the blue-marble earth photo all blended into it. I thought, real cool. Also, he was a little darker skinned than most people who worship with us. We are open to everyone, but we do not have much diversity. I got back into my riffs; we rock in the pre-service.

    We try to maximize the worship experience, allow everyone that awe moment. I suppose I shouldn’t even have noticed this man, but he was something of a misfit. I noticed he listened very intently. During the prayers he didn’t reach up or anything; he seemed in meditation focused within himself. I noticed him because I look up from prayers to keep the service flowing. I have to be ready for the transitions. When you are part of the show or the performance, it isn’t always just worshiping. I do relish the moments when everyone seems so connected.” He continued, “After service a couple handed our misfit, a newcomer kit, and said they hoped he had received a blessing today. As they left he looked at me carrying my guitar. I looked at him, I couldn’t look away.”

    “I asked what his plans were today. He said, ‘I had hoped to talk with James.’ (our minister) ‘he has asked me to come so often.’ (the minister had already left)

    My misfit added, ‘I will walk over to the beautiful area.’ There is a marvelous nature preserve on the other side of the highway. I said, "I will take you, if you don’t have a car. You can’t walk across the highway." He nodded. I felt compelled to protect him, he had such depth to his eyes. He seemed curious of my car and the highway, as he serenely soaked it all in. When we got there he asked, ‘will you walk with me?’ I texted to our after-service group I would not meet them for pancakes. I warned he would need to be careful in those sandals, he smiled. We began a leisurely ascent. This trail climbs to a spectacular overlook of the river valley. He would pause occasionally being very still. The birds, butterflies, and small animals seemed to pause, as well. He was so in tune with the natural world. I followed silent as possible. I almost forgot the lack of pancakes. We got to the overlook area a level space with benches. He observed, smiled, then sat in prayer. I did too. I fell into a deep timeless meditation. It was the most worshipful love of God experience I had ever had. When I rejoined this world, I walked to stand beside the man as he looked over the valley. He said, ‘in every search the only end is love.’ I immediately knew I should return to my home. Visions of the people there sparkled through my thoughts.

    I asked did he enjoy our service this morning. He replied, ‘Yes, he enjoyed his visit. Your band really kicks?’ I said “rocks?” He nodded and continued, ‘Rocks, if a little too loud. I experienced the connection of worshipping souls, it is always powerful. Your church seems to have no connection to the world. The world is so beautiful.’ He stretched out his hand, ‘now the demons run loose, but in the message those who oppose them were mocked. James called them, Tree Hippers?’ I corrected, Hippie Tree Huggers. ‘I think all those who save, not defile, God’s creation should be exalted.

    The woman who gave the update on your Right to Life mission troubled me. There was no concern for the real world and practical steps to heal people’s lives. She was followed by a man. He invited your people to give to your ministries. He was so dismissive of needy people in his comments. The motivation sounded hard, not loving. He worships a rule-based theocracy. I do not understand these divisions, for all are insufficient. The righteous are like those they condemn. The devils of this world are present in everyone. Your people believe, but they cannot hear, see, or feel love for the needy. Your church is a wondrous marvel for video and audio, but no one can walk to your church. I see your church running from the real world not serving it. As the widow offering her mite gave the greatest gift, a person serving even one other person is great in the eyes of God. If they serve with love, without judgment, generously meeting their need it is pleasing to God, more pleasing, than all your celebration and outreach. When I hear the prayers of the people they are paupers of Spirit. In their own image of themselves they are adorned on par with angels. It is as cloying and choking as a room filled with incense. I do not know these people. I enjoyed your service, but I find your people needing to graduate to the real world. You cannot live in the Kingdom of Heaven by separating yourself from the ills of the world. Healing the world is your mission. Many who say they are assured of salvation are only fooling themselves. They are not listening; really listening.’

    He threw me with his next demand. ‘You must talk to Pastor James, tell him my fears, ask him to refocus his ministry on all people. Exorcise himself from demons that turn his healing away from the needy.’ I was stunned. I barely know the pastor. I am to convey a message from this itinerant preacher?

    He stated, ‘Go find your true self, and all things will find you.’ He walked over and sat in prayer again. I did as well. I felt many things, I thought many things. I felt an assurance of my next page in life. I arose looked around; it was later in the day. I was alone. Where the itinerant preacher had gone I didn’t know. I paused to soak in the beauty of the world from this overlook one last time, and then hiked back down. I almost convinced myself I had invented an imaginary friend, but when I got in my car the visitor welcome bag was sitting on the floor of my car. “

    I contacted a classmate, who has been rebuilding her parents’ business. I always thought she was too smart and beautiful to talk to me. Sue seemed glad I was coming back. She set up my job interview. I would have thought she would have little time for me, but we have been in touch almost daily. Sue says she is looking forward to seeing me in person. I am still in awe. I will take it slow, but I have hope. “



    I felt compelled to ask my companion at the gate: “Did you talk to your pastor?” He smiled, “Yes, I did. I had to give notice I would be leaving the band. He had seen the man at the service. He said, ‘I didn’t know him. I was probably someone he had met at a conference. I don’t remember ever asking him to come to church, but it is possible.’ I told Pastor James, he wanted us to refocus our ministry to heal all people. We needed to heal the needy. Pastor replied ‘Another social justice do-gooder, I hope you are not following him to play at coffee houses for the homeless. You are far too talented for that.’ I told him I was planning on going back home and picking up my life there. He said, we have made a real impact and we would likely have tours & videos in our future. Our country was finally getting traditional values, our nation was protecting Christian freedoms, and our church would be in the forefront of the Renewing America Agenda. He believes I am running away to a backwater wasteland. He thought the criticisms of our church were just relativist theology from a whiny liberal. A person from a segment of the larger church pushing Christianity on a slippery slope to no moral standards. I gave him my written notes of my experience on the overlook. I said, it was too bad he had not had the chance to pray with this man. He asked, ‘What was his prayer?’ I laughed, I didn’t know; it was silent. He wished me well.
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    This is interesting. I like researchers who go back to the original as much as possible.


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