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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    Corey and I primarily communicated off of any forums, and we spoke about lots of things, but never about the alleged Secret Space Program. Or at least, not beyond that one question that I asked him once regarding the weapons technology used by the SSP and their enemies when both he and I were still members at Project Avalon. Everything else we talked about were down-to-earth matters, even though he was certainly enthralled with the idea of going on TV with David Wilcock.
    When you say “spoke,” I’m assuming you’re talking literally that you’ve heard his voice. And I accept that this is your personal testimony about him based on experience. I will file it away as a piece of the puzzle of what’s really going on in this world.

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    In addition to that, whether you believe it or not, I happen to have the credentials and the experience to cast such a diagnosis — tentative as it may be.
    I have little confidence in mainstream psychiatry.

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    Based upon what, exactly?
    His work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeepTrying View Post
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    Corey and I primarily communicated off of any forums, and we spoke about lots of things, but never about the alleged Secret Space Program. Or at least, not beyond that one question that I asked him once regarding the weapons technology used by the SSP and their enemies when both he and I were still members at Project Avalon. Everything else we talked about were down-to-earth matters, even though he was certainly enthralled with the idea of going on TV with David Wilcock.
    When you say “spoke,” I’m assuming you’re talking literaly that you’ve heard his voice. And I accept that this is your personal testimony about him based on experience. I will file it away as a piece of the puzzle of what’s really going on in this world.
    Actually, no, I had not heard Corey's voice until I saw a couple of the videos in which he was talking to David Wilcock.

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    In addition to that, whether you believe it or not, I happen to have the credentials and the experience to cast such a diagnosis — tentative as it may be.
    I have little confidence in mainstream psychiatry.
    I'm not just talking of my knowledge (and understanding) of psychiatry, but also of my experience with people with various psychiatric afflictions, and how those afflictions affect their consciousness and their thinking.

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    Based upon what, exactly? The fact that he has written a few books?
    His work.
    And what exactly would then constitute "his work", in your opinion? Collating rumors without a shred of evidence and bundling them into a narrative that he himself feels happy believing in? Because that's about all there is to "his work".

    If you want to hear about real research, then look into Richard Dolan. He's a scholar — he's a trained historian — who can back up anything he says with hard evidence, and if he doesn't know about any particular thing, then he will also say so.

    There is research, and there is woo-woo. Richard Dolan is a researcher. Michael Salla, David Wilcock, Alfred Lambremont Webre, Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy are in the woo-woo business. Think "science documentary" versus "science fiction movie".
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    Since Donk says I have to screw up every thread, I'll say,

    "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."

    "Capitalism is the product of money based economy, a money based system will tend towards fiat money."

    "Money is the root of most evil."

    "Small societies tend towards socialism. Large societies tend towards capitalism."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    Furthermore, it needs to be said out loud that what Acronymian political culture calls "left-wing" — i.e. the US Democrats — is still very much to the right of the vertical center line of the political horizon when compared to other nations, and very much above the horizontal line between authoritarianism and libertarianism. Both the US Democrats and the US Republicans are in the top right corner of the political compass. And therefore, they also both feel inclined to refer to what would be on the vertical center line as "the far left".
    And both sides are shameless world champion defenders of free speech, so long as it is speech they approve of.

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    In having spoken to many mainstream US Acronymians in the past, I have also learned that the vast majority of them doesn't even understand what socialism or communism are. They merely have this vague idea, completely and utterly based upon Cold War anti-communist propaganda. And of course, countries like North Korea aren't exactly exemplary of what true socialism was meant to be. They've tried to go so far to the left that they've come full circle and exited the tunnel again on the far right.
    Yep, when Left and Right take it to the extreme, they wind up rounding the far turn and holding hands on the courting swing again.
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aragorn View Post
    . . . my experience with people with various psychiatric afflictions, and how those afflictions affect their consciousness and their thinking.
    I agree that that is valuable.

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    And what exactly would then constitute "his work", in your opinion?
    His investigations and well thought out articles on his website, along with his perspective as demonstrated in interviews and roundtable discussions.

    The secret space program is not going to be uncovered by the work of people such as Richard Dolan without the input of people like Michael Salla, who listens to whistleblowers and uses his education and life skills to evaluate and connect dots.

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    ...they wind up rounding the far turn and holding hands on the courting swing again.
    I'm in love with this phrase. It's coming full circle but with such beautifully romantic language. I recall as a kid being confounded by how if you went to either extreme end of the scale you got some kind of dictator. It's a mind frack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Since Donk says I have to screw up every thread, I'll say,

    "do unto others as you'd have them do unto you."

    "Capitalism is the product of money based economy, a money based system will tend towards fiat money."

    "Money is the root of most evil."

    "Small societies tend towards socialism. Large societies tend towards capitalism."
    Fiat money is the only money that makes sense. It is transitional to a system that actually is morally sound.
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    And both sides are shameless world champion defenders of free speech, so long as it is speech they approve of.



    Yep, when Left and Right take it to the extreme, they wind up rounding the far turn and holding hands on the courting swing again.
    Those not leftist due to programming believe in free speech that is not counter-productive to the progress of civilization. Civilization is comprised of individuals that are in a natural two-way bind, in some sense it could be equated to quantum entanglement. What one does has an impact on the other, the question is do we believe in a higher morality that impels us to serve the greater 'good'? If so, then we are bound to support speech that is geared toward that goal. It doesn't matter if that speech precipitates conflict but it must be in harmony with the natural law of altruism as a win/win survival mechanism.

    It only makes sense!

    I was watching a CG video last night and I was getting impressions of organic brain disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Those not leftist due to programming believe in free speech that is not counter-productive to the progress of civilization. Civilization is comprised of individuals that are in a natural two-way bind, in some sense it could be equated to quantum entanglement. What one does has an impact on the other, the question is do we believe in a higher morality that impels us to serve the greater 'good'? If so, then we are bound to support speech that is geared toward that goal. It doesn't matter if that speech precipitates conflict but it must be in harmony with the natural law of altruism as a win/win survival mechanism.
    Thank you Adam, for demonstrating so perfectly what I was pointing out how the Left, will squash speech it considers "inappropriate" every bit as quickly as the Right will.

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    Hey Fred,

    So we shouldn't worry about Hate speech not being free...it takes a toll on so many innocents? Don't we have a social obligation to support the dignity of all humans? I, for one, choose to be on the side of those that would shut up those whose deepest impulse is to destroy not build. That is an easy one for me. I'll take that badge of dishonor.

    The constitution be damned God/nature/spirit doesn't exist to destroy, it exists to create...ostensibly beauty in its course to perfection. Would you not agree with that?

    The moral difference is exceedingly clear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Fiat money is the only money that makes sense. It is transitional to a system that actually is morally sound.
    Money doesn't make any sense at all, and fiat money only makes the rich and powerful more powerful, while the poor and powerless get poorer and even more vulnerable.


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    I say we do it...
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    And I always laughed at Bizarro Superman...he should have been my hero...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotAPretender View Post
    I, for one, choose to be on the side of those that would shut up those whose deepest impulse is to destroy not build. That is an easy one for me. I'll take that badge of dishonor.
    That's no badge of dishonor, it's simply and honestly telling us how you would run things in a "moral" fashion, by shutting down those who you deem to be "immoral". You may consider that a Left wing utopia, I consider it textbook tyranny.

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    The moral difference is exceedingly clear.
    No, it's not...
    The unexamined life is not worth living.

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