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    Some people have theorised that The Beatles were the first of the 'fabricated' boy bands. Over time many others following on, such as The Monkees and many others.

    As for ensuring that young people found thier way to drugs and sex and rock and roll - well - the evidence is surely all around us now??? Yes/No/Maybe???

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    Dave McGowan in ‘Weird Scenes inside the Canyon’ claims that The Monkees were held in high musical esteem by fellow musicians in Laurel Canyon.

    ...maybe it was not music they were considering.

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    The tall, dark-haired one was a real musician. The others learned along the way. That's my understanding, anyway.

    I've always struggled with the dynamic of liking rock and roll and liking to party, as in have fun, and having people assume that if I'm into that I'm into drugs, etc.

    Don't get me wrong, I like beer and wine and weed. But I was never a hard partier and certainly not loose. Unfortunately, that's another assumption people like to make. Sex and drugs and rock and roll. I like rock and roll, therefore I must want to have sex with a bunch of guys.

    I really liked the Monkees as a kid. They were fun and cute.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    The tall, dark-haired one was a real musician. The others learned along the way. That's my understanding, anyway.

    I've always struggled with the dynamic of liking rock and roll and liking to party, as in have fun, and having people assume that if I'm into that I'm into drugs, etc.

    Don't get me wrong, I like beer and wine and weed. But I was never a hard partier and certainly not loose. Unfortunately, that's another assumption people like to make. Sex and drugs and rock and roll. I like rock and roll, therefore I must want to have sex with a bunch of guys.

    I really liked the Monkees as a kid. They were fun and cute.
    Well, I was a read dud. Never did drugs, hardly ever drank (now totally off alchohol as I’ve enough evidence it is essentially poison as is caffeine and now off tea, coffee, and mostly chocolate), wasn’t much for parties. I thought hippies were anti-American, but was ok with the lifestyle so long as they didn’t foment riots and social disturbances. I’ve always been a live and let live sorta guy so long as you stayed away from controlling behaviors.

    I think my mother having lived through WW II on the German side gave me a real sense of danger.

    I thought the Monkees were goofs, but liked several of the songs.

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    Live and let live. With books, food and tools. Good stance.

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    What's Wrong With The Beatles?

    I have been having a read through this rather long blog full of interesting symbolism related to the work and imagery of The Beatles. Some of it is quite compelling in my opinion.

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    Wow. I just looked through that blog. It's one thing to cherry pick. This seems like another.

    I'm trying to understand the general plot, so to speak. The hidden system in plain sight is sun worship. The goal is socialist/marxist/oligarchic NWO. Cruelty is kindness, I guess this is part of climbing the ladder?

    Other than making people uncomfortable, I don't understand the gender bending concerns. It's not a new thing for humans. Humanity has not always been rigidly divided gender-wise. That's a cultural thing that manifests in many different ways.

    Throughout most of history men have had long hair and it's associated with strength and masculinity. It's more normal for men to have it long than short, big picture.

    The writer is concerned mostly about people being turned away from belief in God and Jesus. And the choices that lead to ending up in heaven or hell.

    I don't get how sun worship is connected to NWO. How is enlightenment having enslavement as it's goal? Is this yet another thing that's been stood on its head?

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Wow. I just looked through that blog. [...] The goal is socialist/marxist/oligarchic NWO.
    Then the author of said blog doesn't know first thing about socialism/Marxism, because an oligarchy is the exact opposite of that.

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    The writer is concerned mostly about people being turned away from belief in God and Jesus. And the choices that lead to ending up in heaven or hell.
    And that is probably why he doesn't understand politics. He has obviously been indoctrinated.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Wow. I just looked through that blog. It's one thing to cherry pick. This seems like another.

    I'm trying to understand the general plot, so to speak. The hidden system in plain sight is sun worship. The goal is socialist/marxist/oligarchic NWO. Cruelty is kindness, I guess this is part of climbing the ladder?

    Other than making people uncomfortable, I don't understand the gender bending concerns. It's not a new thing for humans. Humanity has not always been rigidly divided gender-wise. That's a cultural thing that manifests in many different ways.

    Throughout most of history men have had long hair and it's associated with strength and masculinity. It's more normal for men to have it long than short, big picture.

    The writer is concerned mostly about people being turned away from belief in God and Jesus. And the choices that lead to ending up in heaven or hell.

    I don't get how sun worship is connected to NWO. How is enlightenment having enslavement as it's goal? Is this yet another thing that's been stood on its head?
    Yeah the writer is pretty extreme in his identification of things which are 'non-christian'. Had to laugh where he talks about Yoga being a non christian eastern influence and that aerobics and having quiet time is a perfectly acceptable thing rather than yoga or karate.
    Aside from the obvious extreme old school christian views that seem to distort some of their findings. I was reminded that at the time, such things as drug taking, sexual promiscuity, androgyny, homosexuality etc, were much like this person, and what I see is the symbolism being used to begin chipping away at the 'moral fibre' of people of the time.
    This sort of symbolism is rife in pop music today, so here we have it in the early stages of use, and The Beatles being involved with it. Everything else than the occult symbolism I ignored.
    There's research out there showing the same symbolism employed today. Definitely a change in music presentation starting in the 60's and that is proof that The Beatles were not excluded.
    Google Images as a taste of what I am referring to.

    And try that search phrase as a standard search rather than images.
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    I threw the marxist/oligarchy labels together, not the blogger. It's one form or another of dictatorship, imo. But I didn't mean to make it look like the blogger said that.

    If the crowds were initially fake, that's a new one to me. I have heard of claquers, people who come to shows to cheer and laugh and clap. Others then follow. It happens in entertainment and politics.

    I'm trying to understand the big picture of this belief system that's enslaving us, the illusions we're under, the different kinds of mind control, and the ultimate goals. If people want to become Gods, why do they think they have to do it at the expense of other people? People can become Gods all on their own. I think they are the ones who have it backwards.

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    Occult is “hidden knowledge”. So TOT is an Occult forum.

    Deal with it.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I threw the marxist/oligarchy labels together, not the blogger. It's one form or another of dictatorship, imo. But I didn't mean to make it look like the blogger said that.
    True socialism is not a dictatorship. It is the opposite of that. It is a form of responsible libertarianism. It just so happens to be that historically, even truly socialist revolutions have always been usurped by narcissistic psychopaths and oligarchs. The Soviet Union was a fine example of that. China and Vietnam aren't all that much better. North Korea is not really a socialist nation — it's a militarily protected dictatorship.

    True socialism automatically precludes dictatorship.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    If the crowds were initially fake, that's a new one to me. I have heard of claquers, people who come to shows to cheer and laugh and clap. Others then follow. It happens in entertainment and politics.
    True. Whenever you're watching a comedy on TV and they remind you at the start of the show that "[...] was recorded before a live audience", then you can rest assured that there's a guy standing off-camera with signs that read "Laugh", "Applause", "Boooo!", and things like that.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I'm trying to understand the big picture of this belief system that's enslaving us, the illusions we're under, the different kinds of mind control, and the ultimate goals. If people want to become Gods, why do they think they have to do it at the expense of other people? People can become Gods all on their own. I think they are the ones who have it backwards.
    Here's the thing: there is no such religion, or at least, not among the select few who are in control. They invented that, and they use it as a means of controlling and manipulating their lesser members by justifying their actions and orders through that religion, in the same way as that the Roman Catholic Church uses its "secret connection with the divine" for justifying their own commands onto their audience of believers.


    "Such and such is God's Will, and you cannot ask why, because you are not an initiate, and it would be too hard to explain to you. Only the initiates know that it is God's Will, because they were chosen by God and they have been inundated into the secret knowledge of the divine."
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    Occult is “hidden knowledge”. So TOT is an Occult forum.

    Deal with it.
    ...Yeah well chose another word then. I just stumbled across that blog with the Beatles involved in using the same hand signals and symbols that are used constantly in modern pop culture, of which lots of people have written about, after seeing you guys talking about The Beatles in this thread.

    Y'know this sort of stuff.


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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    True socialism is not a dictatorship. It is the opposite of that. It is a form of responsible libertarianism. It just so happens to be that historically, even truly socialist revolutions have always been usurped by narcissistic psychopaths and oligarchs. The Soviet Union was a fine example of that. China and Vietnam aren't all that much better. North Korea is not really a socialist nation — it's a militarily protected dictatorship.

    True socialism automatically precludes dictatorship.
    I'll agree that socialism is not the equivalent of dictatorship but, at least to my mind, it is incompatible with volunteerism (unless all involved agree of course). I may be misreading you here but it almost seems you're approaching the "we don't know if socialism works or not because there's never been true socialism" which may be technically true but I still have a bit of a problem with it (no true Scotsman fallacy).

    Don't get me wrong, if I could choose to live in my ideal world people would more or less engage in socialism, but the voluntary part is the key.

    (hope this didn't come across as disrespectful)
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    I've heard Anarcho-Syndicalism described as a system where the means of production are controlled by federated trade unions called syndicates. It is said to have manifested in Catalonia just before World War Two. Society was collectivized and functioned without capitalism or money. Catalonia provided health care for 2.5 million people, had a growth in wealth and production, absence of poverty, built more schools, and had better public services. They also had a military which was constantly protecting them from Spanish Nationalists.

    George Orwell visited and said, "It was the first time I had ever been in a town where the working class was in the saddle. ... This shows you what human beings are like when they are trying to behave as human beings and not cogs in the capitalist machine."

    It is practiced now in Chiapas Mexico.

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