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    Yes and a great one it is! You should watch it.
    I'll start tonight ...
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    "Coincidence" was that my brother mentioned to me tonight how he liked the actor for Moriarty in that series. Wait until you see it.

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    I'm learning some very interesting things in my current book about the neuroanatomy of the noggin'. One thing grabbed my attention and that is the fact that 'Consciousness' is a synthesis of many balancing competing drives. In short, a Duality. Hormones, for example, like serotonin and dopamine are in balance to mediate between the 'urge to act' and the need to modulate 'impulsive actions', Oxytocin, more abundant in females but present in males modulates the drive for independence and the need for security (oversimplified), Vasopressin, more abundant in males but also present in females, balances the urge for 'going it alone' and 'pair bonding' (oversimplified). There is a cold zone, so called because the 'dorsal' brain portions indulge in cold cognition and perhaps surprisingly sympathy. The hot zone forms part of the emotional system which is situated closer to the front-lower portion of the brain, this area is what provides a sense of empathy (it is also part of a larger network which is termed, the mirroring complex). They by design work together in the normal fully mature brain. One, perhaps surprising characteristic of this brain aspect is that one can draw a distinction between 'cognitive empathy' and 'emotional empathy'. Emotional empathy would likely more commonly referred to as 'sympathy'. As Rodney Dangerfield would say to one of his client families during a family portrait op, Mother: "He has my eyes", Father: "He has my hair", Rodney: "He has my sympathy".

    So here is where it gets more relevant in my estimation. "Theory of Mind" in zeitgeist fashion concerns consciousness, but a purely psycho-anatomical view denotes "Theory of Mind" and the maturation process of the human child. It is in progressing phases that a child comes to recognize that he/she has feelings, desires, drives, and goals, but in typical brain dichotomous fashion, he/she comes to recognize that others do as well, and they are not of necessity the same.

    Here comes my latest hypothesis, actually it is more than a hypothesis because for all intents and purposes it is self-evident. These brain processes are what engender the mystical projection that is so ubiquitous. The area that is at the juncture in the non-dominant hemisphere called the 'temporo-parietal junction', another node in the mirror complex, processes how one perceives the intentions, morals, and ethics of others. This area works in conjunction with the 'orbital cortex' in the frontal lobe which processes one's own intentions, ethics, and morality (the first part located in the posterior and the second in the anterior of the brain). In a 'balanced' brain things work for the most part ok, but one would expect some serious problems in the 'mutated' psychopathic brain. All things being non-equal but more of a matter of gradations one would expect projective behavior across from the extremes of the spectrum of brain/psychological health.

    There is a distinction between what is considered a mutation and what is called a 'Single nucleotide polymorphism'. There is a cutoff point around 2% frequency in the population when a gene is considered a mutation to when it is considered a SNP. As aberrant behavior is seemingly so common that it is possible to recognize a pattern of failure in the brain 'balancing' characteristics that resulted in the "Golden Rule", it is not hard to fathom that 'something' has changed. Personally, I think that enough SNP's in a genome could ultimately result in a 'different brain'. Science traditionally has viewed an accumulation of genes and brain anatomy as motivation to designate a new subspecies. Aha! I wonder if 30% of a population evidencing aberrant behavior is good enough for a new designation?
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    Are we mutating? Is the next in the line of homo- ready to appear soon? Will we be more telepathic? Will we recognize our ability to see ahead of events?

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    The following article is from a website called politico.com, and it's an excerpt from the book "Forward: Notes on the Future of Our Democracy", written by Andrew Yang, a former US Democratic presidential candidate.

    However, this article itself is not about politics; it's about neuropsychiatry, and specifically, it explains how it's not only the psychopaths and sociopaths who seek (and end up in) positions of power, but also how being in a position of power desensitizes people and basically turns them into something resembling a psychopath. It's a very interesting read.





    Source: POLITICO


    When I Ran for President, It Messed With My Head

    We should worry about what the modern campaign process is doing to all of our leaders.





    It’s your birthday. Imagine going into a room and finding dozens of people have gathered together to see you. They toast your arrival. There is much excitement. They ask you to give a speech. You are very flattered. You give a speech that speaks to how touched you are that they are there for you. You talk about the occasion that has brought you all together. You want it to be genuine. Not so short that it seems perfunctory, but not so long that it seems self-indulgent.

    Your birthday speech goes great. People want to talk to you and congratulate you. You are happy to see them. You shake hands and greet the people you know. There are many people you don’t know, perhaps because your friends brought their friends. It’s that kind of party.

    Now imagine if that happened to you every night. Not just every night but several times during the day as well. And in addition to it being your birthday every day, you periodically visit television sets to talk to a TV personality. The host greets you in the greenroom, and you find yourself studying a face that you have seen many times before. You are surrounded by people at all times. They theoretically work for you, but most of the time they are directing you, saying, “You have to be on the road in ten minutes” or “You have a call with this person in five.” And you are on the road four days a week away from your family. You get back to the hotel room, and your face is tired from smiling or making expressions.

    That’s a bit of what it feels like, running for president. And it should worry us that all of our leaders are subject to it.


    ***


    In early 2019, still in the thick of the presidential campaign, Zach Graumann, my campaign manager, said to me, “We need to give you a different haircut. And update your wardrobe.”

    I said, “No one cares what I look like. Bernie looks like the scientist from ‘Back to the Future.’ The point is just to stand for something. People know what I stand for and don’t care about my hair.”

    Zach shook his head and said, “That’s not true. Bernie’s old. You’re young. People care that you’re wearing a weird button or a suit that doesn’t look quite right. I’m going to set you up with a hairdresser and tailor.”

    I went along with it. I already had to get used to wearing makeup for television appearances that I often kept on for the rest of the day. The most irritating thing was using hair product again after taking a 20-year break from it. Apparently, “hair gel” was upgraded to “hair wax” at some point, which seemed like an improvement from my old Studio Line gel from L’Oreal.

    Imagine relearning how to groom yourself in your mid-40s. People talk about running for office or running for president as an act of leadership. I’m not so sure about that. I actually think that in many respects running for president requires qualities that would make you a terrible leader.

    When I was the CEO of Manhattan Prep, a test prep company, I would often teach classes or conduct events without identifying myself as the CEO. In that case, it was better for the company if people didn’t think of me as anything other than a random instructor. The more it was about me, the less it was about the company.

    In my experience, if you see a CEO chasing press, that person’s company is probably headed for trouble. The energy spent burnishing your image could almost always be better spent managing your people, ferreting out problems, clearing obstacles, honing processes, talking to customers, selecting vendors, recruiting team members and working on new initiatives. With Manhattan Prep, the most important thing was to do a good job for each student. The most powerful growth driver would be a satisfied student telling his or her friend, “Hey, this company did a great job, you should give them a try.” That is the way most businesses operate: If you do a good job and make people happy, then the business grows.

    In the context of presidential politics it was the opposite. The job was simply the seeking of attention. You would seek press virtually all of the time. Interviews and press — or an in-person event that hopefully would attract press — were the job. When I wasn’t on the road, I would wake up on a typical day and head to a television studio first thing in the morning, go to the office to film some digital ads, do several interviews and then head to a grassroots fundraising event that night.

    On a presidential campaign you make the big initial hires. But then as the campaign grows, it adds people quickly, often people who played a similar role for another campaign. It was jarring for me to show up to the office in New York or an event in New Hampshire and meet someone, only to be told, “This person is now working for you as a field organizer/digital outreach specialist/advance team/new role.” I would thank the person and be genuinely grateful, but it felt strangely impersonal. When I ran my own company, I made sure to interview anyone we hired at any level, because hiring seemed like one of the most important aspects of leadership.

    In national politics, it turns out, you’re not as much the CEO as you are yourself the product.

    The first time I was noticed in public I was taken aback. I was in a convenience store with one of my sons in March 2019. A hipster-looking guy in his twenties said to me, “Hey, are you Andrew Yang?”

    “Yes, yes, I am.”

    “I’m a big supporter of yours. Keep it up.”

    “Thank you.”

    This was particularly surprising to me because I was wearing jeans and a hoodie. The fact that people recognized me out of my campaign uniform of a blazer and dress shirt was shocking to me. My favorite was when a young woman came up to me and said, “Are you Andrew Yang? No, no, you’re not,” and then walked away.

    Things began to change over the course of 2019 as my public profile grew. After raising only $642,081 through all of 2018, our campaign raised $1.7 million in the first quarter, $2.8 million in the second quarter, $10 million in the third quarter, and a whopping $16.5 million in the fourth quarter. I remember in the fourth quarter we raised half of what Bernie raised, and I ran around yelling, “We’re half a Bernie!” We had come a long way since the previous year. On New Year’s Eve 2018 we had held a fundraiser party in New York that had actually lost money. Someone asked for their money back. That’s not a good party.

    Our media exposure had grown in tandem with our fundraising. We had graduated from podcasts to television. At first it was political comedy shows like “The Daily Show” or “Patriot Act with Hasan Minhaj” or “Real Time with Bill Maher.” Then it was “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert,” “The View” and “Late Night with Seth Meyers.” Then eventually it was Ellen DeGeneres and Jimmy Kimmel. Jimmy and I compared notes on playing Ted Cruz in basketball, because Ted had recently accepted a challenge from me before thinking better of it, and Kimmel had scrimmaged with him, too. Stephen Colbert joked that I went from “regular guy Andrew Yang” to “famous guy Andrew Yang.” In many cases I went on a show more than once—like “The View”—and the first time I was on, the interviewers were a bit dubious. There was an undercurrent of “Who the heck are you?” But the second time around there was much more openness and even warmth.

    We started spending money to increase my support in Iowa and New Hampshire, bombarding the airwaves in both states for weeks. We spent $6.6 million on television ads in Iowa and $3.9 million in New Hampshire alone. The TV ads were something else. The first ad had a lot of imagery of planet Earth. I joked with my wife Evelyn that the voice-over for the ad should go something like this: “He arrived on this planet from a land far, far away. Andrew Yang—EARTH PRESIDENT 2040.”

    Recording political ads required hours. There’s a lot of line reading and looking at a camera. The words have to be precisely measured to be exactly thirty seconds or sixty seconds. After you’re done with a take, a producer will say something like “Hey, that was 28 seconds; can you drag it out a little further?” or “Great, give it a more somber downbeat take.” Recording those ads would typically take half a day because they would record multiple ads at a time with a full film crew. And it meant more time in makeup.

    The fact that there were hundreds of campaign workers spending millions of dollars all in an effort to make you look good is a positively bizarre feeling. I joked with the digital team that they must have pictures of me emblazoned in their brain when they go to sleep at night.

    It was enough to go to one’s head. I’d been a CEO and founder of a company, but running for office was a different animal. The people around me treated me as either a celebrity or a product that hundreds of staffers were focused on selling, and everyone in my orbit started treating me like I might be a presidential contender. I was getting a crash course in how we treat the very powerful — and it was weird.

    But it was more than just a head rush. There are psychological consequences to being treated this way for months on end.

    The historian Henry Adams described power as “a sort of tumor that ends by killing the victim’s sympathies.” This may sound like hyperbole, but it has been borne out by years of lab and field experiments. Dacher Keltner, a psychology professor at UC Berkeley, has been studying the influence of power on individuals. He puts people in positions of power relative to each other in different settings. He has consistently found that power, over time, makes one more impulsive, more reckless and less able to see things from others’ points of view. It also leads one to be rude, more likely to cheat on one’s spouse, less attentive to other people, and less interested in the experiences of others.

    Does that sound familiar? It turns out that power actually gives you brain damage.

    This even shows up in brain scans. Sukhvinder Obhi, a neuroscientist at McMaster University in Ontario, recently examined the brain patterns of the powerful and the not so powerful in a transcranial-magnetic-stimulation machine. He found that those with power are impaired in a specific neural process — mirroring — that leads to empathy.

    I’m a parent, and one thing you find very consistently with kids is that they reciprocate what you do. You smile, they smile. You laugh, they laugh. Among the powerful in various settings, their impulse to reflect what they are being shown emotionally has been numbed. They similarly lose the ability to put themselves in another person’s shoes.

    Lord David Owen and Jonathan Davidson called it the “hubris syndrome” — a disorder of the possession of power held over years and with minimal constraint on the leader. Its clinical features include contempt for others, loss of reality, recklessness and displays of incompetence. Lack of empathy is part of the package.

    Perhaps most distressing is that in lab settings the powerful can’t address this shortcoming even if told to try. Subjects in one study were told that their mirroring impulse was the issue and to make a conscious effort to relate to the experiences of others. They still couldn’t do it. Effort and awareness made no difference in their abilities.

    Susan Fiske, a Princeton psychology professor, has argued that this change in attitude is adaptive and meant to aid efficiency. If you become powerful, you have less need to read other people because you have command of resources. The need to demonstrate empathy is behind you.

    One behavior that did help some people relate to others was to recall a time when they felt powerless. Perhaps this is why so many of our leaders seem to recount their humble beginnings, because we sense that if those experiences are deeply ingrained enough, they can counteract their becoming progressively out of touch. It also may be why leaders — for example, women — who were perpetually marginalized in some way may be perceived to be more sensitive even after rising to positions of power.

    On the campaign trail, I could clearly see how politicians become susceptible to growing so out of touch. You spend time with dozens of people whose schedules and actions revolve around you. Everyone asks you what you think. You function on appearance; appearance becomes your role. Empathy becomes optional or even unhelpful. Leadership becomes the appearance of leadership.

    The process through which we choose leaders neutralizes and reduces the capacities we want most in them. It’s cumulative as well; the longer you are in it, the more extreme the effects are likely to be over time.


    Source: POLITICO
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    I haven't read this yet but one can look at Senator Kirsten Synema. She's done complete backflips and essentially left her initial following in the dirt as she has become beholden to the Golden God of corporate moolah.

    She, like Candace Owens, just couldn't resist the siren song. And both have turned their back on their origins and people in economic plights.

    Golden handcuffs are very hard to get out of. Money seems to make psychopaths.

    What did Bush say after 9/11? Go Shopping!

    The money mantra.

    Tough spell to break.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Are we mutating? Is the next in the line of homo- ready to appear soon? Will we be more telepathic? Will we recognize our ability to see ahead of events?
    According to one neuro-anatomist, believing one is telepathic is a brain chemical mix that makes one believe such. Personally, I'd say what the f*ck does a functioning psychopath know. I think it is completely possible.
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    We will go crazy, batshit insane, if we have telepathy now. We're way too spiritually and emotionally immature. Humanity is.

    Maybe in a few more centuries.

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    If we still have a civilization then.

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    Now who would have thought that, companies only think about money instead of ethics and integrity?


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    Tik Tok is next in line for 'sludge rising to the top'.

    I don't use Tik Tok, but I like this description.


    “For You” is the front page of Tik Tok. Because it is not based on personal relationships like Facebook, you are not opening the page to your Aunt’s latest bundt cake recipe, then scrolling, then seeing the part where “patriots” complain about President Biden’s choice of tie. You don’t have to open notifications of groups you interact with to see what they are up to. No. The front page of TikTok is content based on your history. The algorithm does not just feed you access to everything based on your history, it shoves it in your face. It is like mainlining bias. It is like snorting all of your social vices.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Tik Tok is next in line for 'sludge rising to the top'.

    I don't use Tik Tok, but I like this description.
    When my bio-sister visited me in June, during conversation I found out that both she and my daughter pay attention to that. When I first heard them say that, I was a little worried for my daughter but I don't really know anything about it.
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    I was just reading about a 'challenge' that was allowed to remain for some time before being taken down where children in school are slapping their teachers, ambush style.

    It's out of hand.

    I've been quite shocked at how easily parents let their kids use so much social media.

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