Chaos and the Anti-Thread

**Dreamtimer** · 12th December 2018, 14:00

The false parallels with the left are where I start to laugh, or perhaps cry. Both-siderism is very unhealthy.

Not only has there not been anything parallel here from the left, there simply isn't anything parallel. There is no left-wing equivalent of the Q stuff.

Take a look at Ammon Bundy.

The moment he looks at the migrants with compassion he's called a Soros shill. The knee-jerk reaction against him is sad but not surprising. It's sad because those who are part of his tribe, his family, his church, turned against him on a dime.

What does that say about their beliefs?

No-one has been stopped from consuming as much Q as they want. This just isn't the right platform.

**Chris** · 12th December 2018, 14:12

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

The false parallels with the left are where I start to laugh, or perhaps cry. Both-siderism is very unhealthy.

Not only has there not been anything parallel here from the left, there simply isn't anything parallel. There is no left-wing equivalent of the Q stuff.

Take a look at Ammon Bundy.

The moment he looks at the migrants with compassion he's called a Soros shill. The knee-jerk reaction against him is sad but not surprising. It's sad because those who are part of his tribe, his family, his church, turned against him on a dime.

What does that say about their beliefs?

No-one has been stopped from consuming as much Q as they want. This just isn't the right platform.

That may be true in a US context, since the US does not have a political left to speak of. Hillary Clinton would be considered far-right in Europe on most issues. Bernie Sanders is centre-Left at best. Viktor Orban is to the left of him on most issues. However, there are plenty of places in the world where the Left engages in the same sort of paranoia and baseless (although sometimes well-founded) conspiracy theories about US and EU imperialists. The Corbynistas in the UK would certainly qualify. Then there are the Chavistas in Venezuela the Maoists in China, Nepal, India, the communists in Cuba and North Korea etc…

**Fred Steeves** · 12th December 2018, 15:51

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

The false parallels with the left are where I start to laugh, or perhaps cry. Both-siderism is very unhealthy.

Not only has there not been anything parallel here from the left, there simply isn't anything parallel.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwFzOW2tZf0

**Dreamtimer** · 12th December 2018, 20:04

It's a matter of scale. Like the neighborhood analogy. The guy with a pistol is nowhere near the same kind of threat as the guy with an arsenal. Calling them the same is misleading and that's just the start.

The left in America has nothing like the history/infrastructure of the right. It's comparing apples and garlic.

The right likes to boast about this on a regular basis.

**Emil El Zapato** · 13th December 2018, 00:18

Originally posted by Chris

That may be true in a US context, since the US does not have a political left to speak of. Hillary Clinton would be considered far-right in Europe on most issues. Bernie Sanders is centre-Left at best. Viktor Orban is to the left of him on most issues. However, there are plenty of places in the world where the Left engages in the same sort of paranoia and baseless (although sometimes well-founded) conspiracy theories about US and EU imperialists. The Corbynistas in the UK would certainly qualify. Then there are the Chavistas in Venezuela the Maoists in China, Nepal, India, the communists in Cuba and North Korea etc…

Problem with that perspective though...is for the most part they might be identified or self-identify as leftists but they aren't. They are in it for themselves and are unabashed authoritarians. Very different animals.

**Emil El Zapato** · 13th December 2018, 00:23

Originally posted by Fred Steeves

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwFzOW2tZf0

See, Fred...the WSJ (lame-stream media) hires actors to stage fake leftist violence.

Milo is a serious jackass (no joke) but violence has always been the sole path to social power for the masses of the left and there are many reasons for it...but this kind of thing is not really representative (we've seen the violence comparisons between the left and the right). More likely there were 3 or 4 social forkups (bored rich kids) that wanted some action and found a worthwhile (yes worthwhile) outlet. In other words, same old same old.

**Fred Steeves** · 13th December 2018, 02:25

Originally posted by Chris

That may be true in a US context, since the US does not have a political left to speak of. Hillary Clinton would be considered far-right in Europe on most issues. Bernie Sanders is centre-Left at best. Viktor Orban is to the left of him on most issues. However, there are plenty of places in the world where the Left engages in the same sort of paranoia and baseless (although sometimes well-founded) conspiracy theories about US and EU imperialists. The Corbynistas in the UK would certainly qualify. Then there are the Chavistas in Venezuela the Maoists in China, Nepal, India, the communists in Cuba and North Korea etc…

Originally posted by NotAPretender

Problem with that perspective though...is for the most part they might be identified or self-identify as leftists but they aren't. They are in it for themselves and are unabashed authoritarians. Very different animals.

This is making excuses for all leftist misbehavior, and communism to boot. If the above example were right wing oriented, you would be all over it and attacking like stink on shit.

Originally posted by NotAPretender

See, Fred...the WSJ (lame-stream media) hires actors to stage fake leftist violence.

When it's righties doing it they're out of control and taking over the world; when it's lefties doing it it's hired actors or some other tribal excuse.

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

The false parallels with the left are where I start to laugh, or perhaps cry. Both-siderism is very unhealthy.

Not only has there not been anything parallel here from the left, there simply isn't anything parallel.

Originally posted by Fred Steeves

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwFzOW2tZf0

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

It's a matter of scale. Like the neighborhood analogy. The guy with a pistol is nowhere near the same kind of threat as the guy with an arsenal. Calling them the same is misleading and that's just the start.

The left in America has nothing like the history/infrastructure of the right. It's comparing apples and garlic.

So far the democrats historical involvement with the KKK doesn't count, the Bernie Sanders fan who tried to single handedly murder the entire republican membership of congress with a rifle during baseball practice doesn't count, and Antifa doesn't count: Did the Weather Underground, with actual exploded bombs count?

On January 29, 1975, an explosion rocked the headquarters of the U.S. State Department in Washington, D.C. No one was hurt, but the damage was extensive, impacting 20 offices on three separate floors. Hours later, another bomb was found at a military induction center in Oakland, California, and safely detonated.

A domestic terrorist group called the Weather Underground claimed responsibility for both bombs. Originally called the Weatherman or the Weathermen, a name taken from a line in a Bob Dylan song, the Weather Underground was a small, violent offshoot of Students for a Democratic Society, or SDS, a group created in the turbulent ‘60s to promote social change.

When SDS collapsed in 1969, the Weather Underground stepped forward, inspired by communist ideologies and embracing violence and crime as a way to protest the Vietnam War, racism, and other left-wing aims. “Our intention is to disrupt the empire ... to incapacitate it, to put pressure on the cracks,” claimed the group’s 1974 manifesto, Prairie Fire.

By the next year, the group had claimed credit for 25 bombings—including the U.S. Capitol, the Pentagon, the California Attorney General’s office, and a New York City police station.

https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-c...round-bombings

**Aianawa** · 13th December 2018, 03:06

Other members have said this, if you are left you are not one so who won.
If you are rite you are not one so who won.
There is onely one middle.

**Dreamtimer** · 13th December 2018, 12:25

There is all of us, together. That's what there is.

The left right divide is: a) stupid, b) unnecessary, c) a distraction.

Divided We Fall.

The more the left/right paradigm is pushed, the weaker we become as a nation.

**Elen** · 13th December 2018, 12:32

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

There is all of us, together. That's what there is.

The left right divide is: a) stupid, b) unnecessary, c) a distraction.

Divided We Fall.

The more the left/right paradigm is pushed, the weaker we become as a nation.

I like it....

**Emil El Zapato** · 13th December 2018, 16:58

you can leave out the Weather Underground because they were shooting blanks and bombing empty buildings...nice people, really.

**Fred Steeves** · 13th December 2018, 21:20

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

There is all of us, together. That's what there is.

The left right divide is: a) stupid, b) unnecessary, c) a distraction.

Divided We Fall.

The more the left/right paradigm is pushed, the weaker we become as a nation.

Now we're talking!

Originally posted by NotAPretender

you can leave out the Weather Underground because they were shooting blanks and bombing empty buildings...nice people, really.

That *was* rather nice of them to give evacuation warnings before their bombings. Should the cards play out that one day a fringe group needed to blow my house up to further their aims, I hope they would either give me a courtesy warning as well, or at least wait until I head off to work.

Perhaps we could hoist a beer or two after, discuss what favorable ways the political winds may shift as a result.

Seriously though, it's interesting that Saul Alinsky penned his "Rules for Radicals" in 1971 because he thought relentless agitation to be more effective than the violent tactics he was seeing.

**Dreamtimer** · 14th December 2018, 00:00

Thanks, Fred. And...I have said that several times before, in case you didn't see.

**Fred Steeves** · 14th December 2018, 01:46

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

Thanks, Fred. And...I have said that several times before, in case you didn't see.

Of course I have noticed DT, just haven't seen it actually demonstrated for any length of time yet.

**Dreamtimer** · 14th December 2018, 12:54

It would help if you don't read into what I say.

Such as assuming I expect some group to sweep in and save the day.

I make observations and speculate, that doesn't mean the things I speculate are necessarily my beliefs.