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    Dreamtimer, I hope that kid never gets her hands on power. That anti male rant is no less divisive than the Baptist preacher man next town over who proudly sports a sign at the front of the hardware store he owns stating: "No gays allowed". It's the same state of mind.

    Both mentalities cause me concern, and I want neither of them with a hand anywhere near the vicinity of power levers.

    This is a good example of the head on collision I'm looking at as a distinct possibility in this country, and I'm seeing very few people advising to maybe put the brakes on just a wee bit and think this thing through.
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Both mentalities cause me concern, and I want neither of them with a hand anywhere near the vicinity of power levers.

    This is a good example of the head on collision I'm looking at as a distinct possibility in this country, and I'm seeing very few people advising to maybe put the brakes on just a wee bit and think this thing through.
    We are going to need a miracle in order to avoid a catastrophe.


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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Did I get you right Fred? You said the country is coming apart at the seams and it's deliberate?

    I really hate to say it but I'm afraid you're right. (In spite of my optimism)
    Well Chomsky did say that the Republican party is the most dangerous political group in the history of mankind...that would explain some of it I suspect. If he was a religious man, he would probably cite Samson's political brethren as a strong second.
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Dreamtimer, I hope that kid never gets her hands on power. That anti male rant is no less divisive than the Baptist preacher man next town over who proudly sports a sign at the front of the hardware store he owns stating: "No gays allowed". It's the same state of mind.

    Both mentalities cause me concern, and I want neither of them with a hand anywhere near the vicinity of power levers.


    This is a good example of the head on collision I'm looking at as a distinct possibility in this country, and I'm seeing very few people advising to maybe put the brakes on just a wee bit and think this thing through.
    I share your concern Fred!
    If people are focused on retaliation against perceived foes in almost a vendetta like passion, the real work of assessing and addressing real serious MUTUALLY important civil action is smashed up by the frenzy.

    My vision:
    A sober, nonpartisan, apolitically motivated group of broad thinking people come together. They are all respected because they JUST ARE RESPECTABLE. They who can present the plan FOR peace, For egality, equality, fraternity and lead us in consensus is my expectation for government. We could so easily be a country that can handle all the upheavals because we have a common goal....

    What could be a central uniting goal? Maybe no one ever asks that question because they are in constant crisis and emotional upheaval.
    This emotionality is being mightily manipulated on all sides.

    Dispassionate practical necessities that make it possible to have peace and prosperity should be evident to any one.
    One example:
    All want to have employment in rewarding work... the needs and concerns of working people is needing REAL representation.
    Free enterprise is IMO not about being controlled by corporate structures.

    Business driven by profits for investors ignores human and planetary well being.
    Business exists FOR ITSELF. It is up to US to protect ourselves by uniting FOR well placed enlightened business and local manufacturing and real jobs.
    This could even look like socialism but its not necessarily the wrong move to have local government sponsored public utilities include businesses.
    There is a Cooperative movement in Spain. i see us making end runs around the sick system we dislike.

    Mondragon, a cooperative in Spain. ... The fundamental premise of the cooperative movement is a faith in people's natural capacity to improve themselves economically and socially through mutual self-help in democratically- controlled economic organizations.

    The Mondragon cooperatives in Spain’s Basque region are perhaps the most famous example of democratic worker-owner industrial enterprises that have continued to grow and thrive for almost 50 years. These cooperatives were initiated soon after World War II by a young priest named Don Jose Maria Arizmendiaretta. Due to acute poverty in this region, most of the youth were migrating in search of livelihood. Don Jose Maria was convinced that it was possible to make a success of a humanistic cooperative business within the capitalist world.http://base.d-p-h.info/en/fiches/dph...-dph-7537.html
    Serving corporations (for perks and campaign donations) leads political leaders to undermine what people really desire and deserve!

    I will continue feeling that no matter what the "collective is doing", I am not thwarted in my own life.
    i feel nostalgia for something I know could absolutely be the case for us as citizens: thriving.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    They vote for themselves really - their future - and their potential to use the system in a different way than it has been. That may not be realistic to us, but to them it most certainly is. That's what the young folk are for, making the change that we no longer can.

    Here's another video about voting and "scary time for boys"

    Great song, sweet girl and motervated for some 'balance and justice'...my daughter would scoff because of the blond hair...but I'll cut her some slack (b.t.w some of my daughter's best friends are blond)
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    Massive civil disobedience may just happen.

    But I don't really think the young generation sees voting as the one answer. I think they're going to get themselves into office, like young woman from the Bronx who's freaking out the right. Heads are really exploding over her.

    I don't get what you're saying about the girl singing the song, Fred. She's singing a song about rights and urging people to vote. She's using a good bit of sarcasm. I find your reaction very strange.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    We are going to need a miracle in order to avoid a catastrophe.
    It's interesting though that the more I see the eye wall of this storm approaching, the more infinite potential I see possible. FOR PROPERLY MOTIVATED AND PREPARED INDIVIDUALS THAT IS, not for general society as a whole.
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    I just found out about an evangelical organization which is going around the country and actually promoting care and compassion for all people.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I just found out about an evangelical organization which is going around the country and actually promoting care and compassion for all people.
    There is some hope for them...they likely will be ostracised and end up forming their own denomination...true Christians will not be tolerated under any circumstances.
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    It's going to be 78.5 degrees this afternoon. By tonight it will be 25 degrees cooler and then even cooler overnight on the weekend.

    I got my wish for cooler weather. Also, the trees are gonna turn like mad when it happens.

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    I had a facsimile dream about the Soyuz problem the other night but didn't bother to mention of it...lack of time ...

    I wonder if this describes the scene at all.

    A space age shuttle looking craft was acting very wobbly just above the treeline and then fell to earth. It was weird because the pilots two of them came out of the craft as it crashed and rolled down a rocky hillside but relatively unhurt. The craft now out of control veered over some nearby homes and then crashed into a house with a tremendous explosion...sort of like an apocalypse of fire and thunder. Lights have been acting weird around me again...I think I'm going active again... or crazy....
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    I used to have dreams regularly of jets and planes crashing. And also people on highways suddenly veering into jersey walls and crashing.

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    As the southeastern United States continued to deal with the devastation of Hurricane Michael, Trump spent his morning calling in to Fox News to rant for the better part of an hour — prompting one of the hosts to remind Trump to go do his job.
    “We know you’re probably running short on time,” co-host Steve Doocy gently prompted Trump after about 34 minutes of this.

    When it was finally over, Doocy signed off by telling Trump, “Go run the country.”
    This isn't the first time this has happened.

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    This ad mentions 'average Joe' and is about the tax cuts:


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    I just heard something hilarious on the radio:

    A republican congressman from Alabama was testifying at a hearing on global warming. He is a member of the Science, Space, and Technology committe which is why he was there. He made this suggestion:

    "The ocean levels rising might not be due to warming, it could be rising because of all the rocks falling in it"... lol! Yes, he actually said that.
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