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    Seriously, he missed his true calling, he should have been a speech writer ...
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    Brave men. Then again, if you only had a pistol, would you go against someone who has an AR-15?


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lQf-DB5yZ5Y


    I really wonder what might be the solution. I doubt that just singing kumbaya together will work.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSTmnjdK1jc

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Brave men. Then again, if you only had a pistol, would you go against someone who has an AR-15?
    I'd like to think so.

    I'm wondering if that isn't a mistake. I'm thinking that the police were in and around the building and the ones that are being accused were 'managing' the PARENTS. Even at its worst, you wouldn't expect that kind of cowardice from 'alpha' males.

    There were 'rumors' that some of the cops on the scene were rescuing their own kids ONLY. This is why Chester loves his state.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    Brave men. Then again, if you only had a pistol, would you go against someone who has an AR-15?


    I really wonder what might be the solution. I doubt that just singing kumbaya together will work.
    Unfortunately, the kinds of things I look for and saw in this case, the cop I saw that was holding back the parents was a big white dude. But there were also Hispanic cops strutting back and forth with their chests out, like big fucking yellow chickens.

    I went to school with a big white dude, not really a bad guy but a big sissy. Just wasn't athletic so he was made fun of, probably mostly behind his back, I suspect. He extended his penis after high school by becoming a cop.

    My idea was to eliminate all public institutions or turn them into all prisons.
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    It's the same drivel. More guns!!! More security and cops!!! Teachers should be armed and trained!!! Only one door with an armed cop at it!!!

    That last one is Ted Cruz. One door. Because everyone knows just how safe a building with only one door would be. And of course schools are just leaving all their doors unlocked.

    They're not. Schools are quite secure and Ted Cruz gets about three times as much money from the NRA as any other elected representative. So we can see who it is he really cares about.

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    It's weird, I wonder if all top Texas politicians are inbreds from the Bush family. I'm seriously wondering about that.
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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    That's a silly video on a couple of fronts, and accurate on one front.

    - It's accurate in that there should be more training to get a gun. I've taken the conceal course, and it should be more than a written test and a quick trip to the range to pop off a few rounds into paper. But then again, how much training is required to drive a car? A written test, and a quick demonstration of the most basic of driving skills.

    But here's where the reasoning falls apart: the "student" is told he should get more gun training, and that's correct; however, that's the same thing we all do with our freshly printed driver's license, we go out there and continue our training. Another way to look at it is who wants to get operated on by a surgeon who just got their license, and you're the first one? Even though they really have gone through extensive training, we all still naturally prefer someone with 20+ years under their belt.

    - It's silly in the scenarios. A shooter scenario seldom involves being in a room with several doors, with the shooter poised behind one of them to jump out and bang bang shoot you real quick. That's not very realistic, and I'd like to see how often trained cops fail that one too.

    - This will be described as a right wing talking point, but I've yet to have someone adequately explain its inaccuracies to me. The skit pokes fun that the training is woefully inadequate, but also pokes fun that nothing will be done to take the gun away from the bad guy, inferring that the answer is obviously right there but the gun will never be taken from him.

    How do you make sure the bad guy never gets a gun? If you make them illegal, does that make all 390,000,000 guns out there disappear? There's a black market for everything else, but there wouldn't be for guns? Now every law abiding citizen has been disarmed, making criminals who have no regard for the law in the first place, the only ones who would be walking around with them.



    This good guy with a gun, did okay against a bad guy with a gun, and he used (gasp) an "assault rifle" to do it with. Now what if the good guy didn't have that gun because the 2nd Amendment had been abolished?
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    In my opinion that the logic doesn't really hold up, it is just rationalization. Guns only represent the primal fear of the right and the cluelessness of the left. ALL people like guns for the thrill of the bang pop, but any sane person doesn't like innocent children slaughtered like animals. So the people that God gave a heart, soul, and brain get drowned out by all the f*ckups. People like the NRA and politicians that sell their souls for reasons that are below what any other human being would consider human dignity may be evil or not, but there is surely something lacking in their human spirits. Actually, they may be showing the animal spirit in all of us left unfettered by the heart and soul (i.e. a subspecies left behind by evolution or at the very least an offshoot branch of homo sapiens).

    The 2nd amendment has never meant to represent what it has been twisted to represent. It is a programming that has been shaped in the last century and glommed onto by those that either live in fear of 'the other guy that has a gun or the desire not to protect themselves from the government but to allow themselves to fantasize that they are a threat to the government. The real question is, "Why does the other guy have a gun". We don't live in a primeval society, we are not threatened by lions, tigers, or bears unless we wish to be and in that event, I say give the damn fool a gun and let Darwin take his course.

    Read the statistics and see what millions of guns do to any culture. Countries at war have the highest rates of all forms of domestic violence. The U.S. has been at war for decades, is society so naive as to believe that has no psychological impact on how it will adapt to the ever-present fear and dread? If the gun supply was managed it would be a limiting factor for the supply of black marketeers and would make them an easier 'target'. Even if only the bad guys had guns I suspect that the statistical edge for safety would be greatly enhanced. The end result would be that the U.S. would join the rest of the world on their ride on the 'Cosmic shooting gallery'. That one is statistically much more certain, you will die but it won't be by gun violence, but rather, age, accident, or even a meteoritic impact.

    I think an addendum to the 2nd amendment is overdue and that doesn't scare me in the least. If Woe vs. Wade can be f*cked with impunity so can the 2nd.

    American society has to grow up or eventually die from spiritual, emotional, psychological, and intellectual stagnation. It is no longer 1776 and to fantasize that it is, is just infantile. Proof that we can't handle ourselves and need the government to do it for us.
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    Well said.

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    Quote Originally posted by Chuckie View Post
    Read the statistics and see what millions of guns do to any culture. Countries at war have the highest rates of all forms of domestic violence. The U.S. has been at war for decades, is society so naive as to believe that has no psychological impact on how it will adapt to the ever-present fear and dread?
    Now we're talking. Violence is the answer our gubmint shows us so. We're always at war, we arm othes to go to war, and we cheer it on every time so that must be true, right?

    Top 10 Countries with Highest Gun Ownership (Civilian guns owned per 100 people):

    1. United States - 120.5
    2. Falkland Islands - 62.1
    3. Yemen - 52.8
    4. New Caledonia - 42.5
    5. Serbia - 39.1 (tie)
    6. Montenegro - 39.1 (tie)
    7. Uruguay - 34.7 (tie)
    8. Canada - 34.7 (tie)
    9. Cyprus - 34
    10. Finland - 32.4
    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...hip-by-country

    The U.S. may be way out in front of other countries in gun ownership, but that doesn't mean other countries don't still have comparatively large numbers of gun owning citizens themselves, why don't they have the problems with violence that we do?
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Now we're talking. Violence is the answer our gubmint shows us so. We're always at war, we arm othes to go to war, and we cheer it on every time so that must be true, right?


    https://worldpopulationreview.com/co...hip-by-country

    The U.S. may be way out in front of other countries in gun ownership, but that doesn't mean other countries don't still have comparatively large numbers of gun owning citizens themselves, why don't they have the problems with violence that we do?
    yes, that is a good question.
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    Try to imagine why people would own a gun in those other countries..
    Most American gun owners do not own one for hunting or sports.

    And somehow through Hollywood and Marlboro commercials y'all think you're goddamn cowboys.
    That and a media that feeds nothing but fearporn perhaps? for way way longer than the media pushes the fear agenda in those other countries..

    Something like that I think

    Not an idea from my own mind, But what if you subject all wannabe gun owners through the same hell. A Young pregnant woman wanting an abortion has to go through in the states?

    Only one place per state that sells them.
    Go through a crowd of angry mothers that lost sons through gun violence yelling you're a murderer.
    Have an unpleasant and judgemental mental and physical exam.
    MAybe that would help a little?
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    The governor of Texas was rolling past President Biden and Biden patted him on the back, Abbot acted as if he wasn't even there. What a total and complete scumbag. Total and complete. Gawd I hope Beto O' Rourke kicks his worthless ass. I despise that f*cking lowlife.

    And no, it's not because I love Biden, it's because that reprobate Abbot can't even find the internal dignity to acknowledge a moment like that. That's the essence of people like him.
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