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    guarantee of outcome equality is a false premise...not sustainable in our current state of culture and not maintained by anyone with a smidgeon of intellectual or philosophical honesty or understanding. That is for the future. But we can argue it now, of course. but it is totally academic.

    I'm going to get hooked listening to this guy for all the wrong reasons. but wait...he's just telling his truth...oy vey! He's looking at things in one skewed way, though. It is that he is not considering the 'pressure' that mainstream society places on itself. It is what creates the 'box' we all live in...one that I've enjoyed jumping out of my entire life.
    Like the time my daughter and I kept an inflatable swimming pool in my 2nd floor apartment's living room. Now that was fun! Or the other times when I would wheel my 3-year old in the baby's carriage part of shopping carts. It was hilarious...people would freak including my ex but my daughter and I would have a great time pretending she was a baby and couldn't talk. Everytime she would say something, I, would in effect, coo at her and tell her she couldn't talk because she was a baby. Crazy, yes...but it was a blast! It's all b.s.
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    Jordan doesn't believe in equality of outcome, if that's what you're saying. He's explicitly against equality of outcome.

    What he supports is equality of opportunity. He lays out how nature demonstrates that there is no equality of outcome. A huge tree in the forest dominates, etc.

    He's also utterly opposed to and gravely concerned about social marxism and neo-marxism and he makes his case pretty clearly.

    In addition, the conversation with Bret Weinstein, as in stein of beer, on Rogan's show was a great debate with no fighting.

    He says people should read the Gulag Archipelago. He recommends it highly.

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    In #1070 at 10:21 Jordan discusses the Pareto distribution, or the 80/20 principle.

    According to Wikipedia,
    Mathematically, the 80/20 rule is roughly followed by a power law distribution (also known as a Pareto distribution) for a particular set of parameters, and many natural phenomena have been shown empirically to exhibit such a distribution.
    So he's saying it's natural that some will end up with more. But poverty upsets the balance and brings everyone down so we need, at least, equality of opportunity.

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    Whoa, didn't know the Trump's 13th wedding anniversary was last month.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Jordan doesn't believe in equality of outcome, if that's what you're saying. He's explicitly against equality of outcome.

    What he supports is equality of opportunity. He lays out how nature demonstrates that there is no equality of outcome. A huge tree in the forest dominates, etc.

    He's also utterly opposed to and gravely concerned about social marxism and neo-marxism and he makes his case pretty clearly.

    In addition, the conversation with Bret Weinstein, as in stein of beer, on Rogan's show was a great debate with no fighting.

    He says people should read the Gulag Archipelago. He recommends it highly.
    No, I agree with that completely, what I mean to say is that to argue against it and maintain that guaranteed outcome is what is driving certain social movements is a false argument and a very narrow issue to tackle in any other way but academically.

    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    In #1070 at 10:21 Jordan discusses the Pareto distribution, or the 80/20 principle.

    According to Wikipedia,

    So he's saying it's natural that some will end up with more. But poverty upsets the balance and brings everyone down so we need, at least, equality of opportunity.
    sure, but Peterson is flailing at windmills, to paraphrase Cervantes
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    Yeah, sit back and enjoy the rollercoaster ride...perhaps, even hold your hands up to show ‘em you have no fear...

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    Question

    Is there anyone else here who is just as baffled as I am that we are once again wasting our time discussing a YouTube talking head and pulling in US-centric party politics?

    Come on guys, we can do so much better than this.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Is there anyone else here who is just as baffled as I am that we are once again wasting our time discussing a YouTube talking head and pulling in US-centric party politics?

    Come on guys, we can do so much better than this.
    Is your bafflement is accompanied by nausea?
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Is there anyone else here who is just as baffled as I am that we are once again wasting our time discussing a YouTube talking head and pulling in US-centric party politics?

    Come on guys, we can do so much better than this.
    Is your bafflement is accompanied by nausea?
    I'm not sure, but my stomach does feel weird.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Is there anyone else here who is just as baffled as I am that we are once again wasting our time discussing a YouTube talking head and pulling in US-centric party politics?

    Come on guys, we can do so much better than this.
    Thank you...

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    Thanks for the Wonderful Chaos video, Wind. It was fun and informative.

    We must be like water. (as Bruce Lee says)

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    but, but, this is the Chaos and the Anti-Thread thread
    “El revolucionario: te meteré la bota en el culo"

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    Indeed.

    So...we farm using the equality of opportunity method: GMO seeds, kill as many weeds as possible, acres of the same crop with expectations of maximization...

    N'est pas?

    (don't know how that applies to societies of people, 'cause we're not clones)

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