Chaos and the Anti-Thread

**Wind** · 2nd February 2021, 15:00

I wonder if I could fully agree with this.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9Qws_J99hQ

**Emil El Zapato** · 2nd February 2021, 19:55

Interesting ... he would have to say a whole more than he just did to convince me. Really, I tend to think that creation/cosmos is good and it takes a willful choice to reject it.

**Octopus Garden** · 2nd February 2021, 22:43

Uncertainty, polarization and fear are a part of life. You can work to reduce them but not eliminate them. And often they are imposed upon us, not freely chosen by us. If you live in a 'shithole' country with gangsters for political leaders, it's not up to you to meditate it away, or change your thinking about it. It is objectively real and you have to deal with it, often by fighting fire with fire. And yes, that means you risk becoming more like 'it' yourself. But them's the brakes.

There is nothing right wing politicians would like more than for everyone to "accept personal responsibility" for their 'negative emotions' and polarized views.

These gurus have their place, but 50% of what they say, seems to be blown right out of their ass and not applicable to the real mundane world as people live it, as they have to live it. Self improvement gurus are such a scam. He's or was a lovely human being, but....

I say that without watching the video, so I may be mistaken. I guess I will watch it now!

Okay, watched it. People deal with fear by becoming more materialistic or identifying with something they consider good, like a structured religion. Problem is, there are many emotional factors that have people adopting this behavior. They are not always coping strategies. What about the seven deadly sins--like pure greed? Fear based? Sometimes, not always.

Identifying with a religion can be status seeking, which may or may not be fear based. The underlying emotion could be a desire for power which is also not always fear driven. It can be driven by pure aggression.

Ram Dass equates neuroses with our attitudes. But this is not clearly correct. Speaking in pathological terms, it is people on the aggressive narcissistic continuum that are most prone to destruction.

Neurotics, who are fear based, are often conscientious and guilt and shame based. Guilt and shame are uncomfortable but there for a damn good reason and if you have ever been around anyone who did not or could not experience this state of being, it becomes evident just how important they are for a civilized society.

**Emil El Zapato** · 2nd February 2021, 22:51

Didn't change your mind it seems ... I once asked my Ethics teacher if any of 'those' people were normal and he just laughed and said, "We teach and learn the extremes"

**Octopus Garden** · 2nd February 2021, 23:01

Originally posted by NotAPretender

Well, OG, as I once cautioned a moderator here ... You have to stay out of those barroom brawls.

Yeah...but you should have seen the other woman!

**Emil El Zapato** · 2nd February 2021, 23:04

lol ... jolly good show ...

**Dreamtimer** · 3rd February 2021, 10:05

Confession time

I'm laughing with schadenfreude. I just can't help it.

**Wind** · 3rd February 2021, 18:50

Originally posted by Octopus Garden

Speaking in pathological terms, it is people on the aggressive narcissistic continuum that are most prone to destruction.

It wouldn't be so bad if they were only on the path of self-destruction, but those kind of pathological people tend to take many down with them, even whole nations. All you actually need is one narcissist to do to that. What about thousands of them, or sociopaths and psychopaths? I do think they're essentially evil as their actions are too. You are your deeds.

Here NAP's favorite Canadian psychologist talks about the concept of evil.

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPfFqFl31ZI

**Dreamtimer** · 4th February 2021, 07:45

Evil is much too easy to find, imo. Thank goodness there's so much goodness. I mean that sincerely.

Goodness and love are the counterforce to evil.

It's way to easy to fall victim to ego and anger. This is why evil is weakness and not strength. Love is where strength lies.

**Wind** · 4th February 2021, 20:03

God is good & love and those forces are my guiding stars until the end of time.

**Elen** · 5th February 2021, 05:20

Originally posted by Dreamtimer

Evil is much too easy to find, imo. Thank goodness there's so much goodness. I mean that sincerely.

Goodness and love are the counterforce to evil.

It's way to easy to fall victim to ego and anger. This is why evil is weakness and not strength. Love is where strength lies.

**Wind** · 9th February 2021, 02:55

Stupid or evil?

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaHIZxKubbM

**Dreamtimer** · 9th February 2021, 10:30

He's playing Trump's game of, "Micheal Cohen? Who's that? Never heard of him. I'm sure he's a nice guy..."

**Dreamtimer** · 17th February 2021, 00:01

My sister-in-law likes to say that our two political parties are like a married couple. The Republicans are the husband, the Democrats are the wife.

For some time now, I've been seeing how that is an abusive relationship. The husband plays the typical, she-made-me-do-it victim game.

It's funny and a little weird to see someone else whom I don't know at all say what I've been thinking:

It’s easy to understand why they [now] blame Biden if you look at the language of the abuser. “She made me angry, so it’s her fault I hit her” easily translates to “He won the election, so it’s his fault we had to riot. He made us do it.”

**Dreamtimer** · 17th February 2021, 23:10

I forgot that Rush Limbaugh did this:

On most good days, I just forgot he existed.

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