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    yeah, AI may reach 'singularity' but they will remain essentially empty shells in terms of morality, nothing or no smarts will inject sentience into metal. On the other hand, ala, mycellium might be a route that some might pursue to instill 'organics' into the steel. The conduits targeted needn't be steel though, start with an organism and make it smarter. But would that be called 'AI'? hmm, who knows?
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    😦 the hell is going 🔛 ... this is a 💯!

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    The tensions are arising, yes?

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    very much yes...it's the breaking point for at least part of American...I don't suppose you have any relatives or friends in Finland do you? I have a cousin there it seems...
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    You mean in America? Not that I'm aware of. All my relatives live in Finland.

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    sheeit, man...I gots relatives all over America... no, I meant Finland...I'll post the name for you to see if it rings a bell...they might be an emigre...you will be able to tell I suspect...

    Kristian Love is the name...weird huh?
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    This is listed as a family surname: Eerikäinen
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    This is listed as a family surname: Eerikäinen
    That's quite common, I've been seeing that name. Many Finnish last names have the letters "nen" at the end. My family's name too.

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    Attachment 2448

    I think this might be him...has a twitter account...saw some ads targeted for neo-nazis...I guess i better not say hi to him...
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    Sure looks like a Scandinavian.

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    Half American-Half Finnish his twitter page says...

    Is that a neo-nazi haircut?
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    Lol I don't think so, just a typical modern haircut.

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    ok, that's good...he's about 20...same age as my daughter... speaking of generation X ... They are raising hell on American streets...I hope they keep focus and don't devolve into a mob...they like mobs...I haven't seen any automatic weapons as yet...
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    They are raising hell on American streets...I hope they keep focus and don't devolve into a mob...they like mobs...I haven't seen any automatic weapons as yet...
    Fred's not going to like me saying this, but it has to do with the nature of the protests. This is a protest against racism, police brutality and unwarranted violence. Unless there are opportunistic troublemakers or even agents provocateurs among the protesters, this will be an outcry for human rights and against violence. That makes it a more egalitarian and thus (truly) left-wing protest.

    The protests against the lockdown whereby automatic weapons and other paramilitary equipment ─ including full battle dress uniforms and masks that were worn for anonymization rather than for protection against the coronavirus ─ were ostensibly being shoved into everyone's face were a testosterone-driven and clearly right-wing manifestation, whereby the individual's freedom was believed to extend beyond the freedom and safety of others, and whereby the protesters were showing their willingness to kill, even though no shots were fired. It was the typical kind of cowboy diplomacy and posturing that the US is so well known for on the international scale.

    And just before Fred gets the heebie-jeebies again over my mention of left-wing and right-wing, the context of left versus right that I'm talking about here doesn't have anything to do with what the average US American considers left or right. This is about the real left (i.e. the humanitarian and egalitarian perspective) versus the real right, (i.e. the "my interests are more important than your interests" perspective).

    I don't care much for what US Americans call "the left" ─ i.e. the DNC and their pseudo social-justice-warrior nanny state ─ but I am a real progressive. I am all for equal rights, for mutual respect, for human dignity, for peace, and vehemently against racism, capitalism and monetarism. I am not a communist, but I do think socialism ─ the real kind, not the corrupted kind where "some animals are more equal than others" ─ is a good start for a better future that will (and must) eventually transcend the importance of the economy and economic interests on society.

    Am I naive? No, I don't think so. I think my idea of the perfect society would be quite viable, but I also realize that mankind is by far not ready for that yet, and especially not if morally corrupt geopolitical entities ─ most notably the USA, the UK, the EU, Israel, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China and Russia ─ are going to keep on dominating the choices made by mankind on account what the future should look like.

    But the cleanup should either way start with the USA, because (1), it is and has for a long time already been a fascist empire, and (2) culturally, the USA is still stuck somewhere in between the middle ages and the Wild West, while the rest of the world has at least moved on. And it is this stagnation in cultural evolution that is causing the US American left-wing to be just as retarded as the US right-wing. They are the two wings of a single bird, and for that matter, a bird that has dropped out of school and bumped its head in the process.

    And the reason why the USA hasn't evolved culturally is simply that, as the greatest military power in the world, they can afford to bully other nations and inflict their will upon the world. They don't need to abide by evolution, because they have the firepower to force the rest of the world into following their lead.

    Just look at Trump's decision to leave the WHO. Yes, the WHO screwed up, but I don't think it's up to Trump to point any fingers at them when he himself is the biggest screw-up to have ever lived in the White House ─ he makes even Dubya look like a genius, and that is saying a lot.

    And yes, I've already alluded elsewhere to the refusal of the US to adopt the metric system. I can understand that there are culturally historic reasons for remaining with traditional measurements in the context of artisans, as for instance in Japan when it comes to the art of sword-making. But other than that, the whole world has already adopted the metric system a long time ago ─ even the UK, despite some nationalistic and insular objections at first, because the UK was once also an empire, and many within the US government are still feeling nostalgia over the glorious days where "Britannia ruled the waves". But here's this country of some 320 million people in North America that, as the only nation in the world, refuses to adopt a measurements system that actually makes sense, and that has also been standardized among the other 7.1 billion people on this planet. And even then still, the American measurements system isn't even consistent with the historic British imperial system, because an American gallon is bigger than a British gallon.

    So, now that I'm feeling a little combative ─ which, in light of the ideological aggression displayed by a certain member on another thread, isn't even such a bad thing ─ I'm going to throw it all out on the table, with my apologies to the good and open-minded US Americans, but in my personal opinion, the USA qualifies as a developing nation. There are countries in Africa and South America ─ traditionally labeled as "the third world" ─ that are more civilized and intellectually more developed than the USA. And yet, US Americans are the most vocal denizens of the entire internet.

    And before anyone feels compelled to point out that it was the USA that "invented" the internet, yes, I'm aware of that, just as I'm also aware of the fact that the internet began its life as a US military computer network. I rest my case.





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    Why are we still so obsessed with talking about the U.S., a mere developing country?
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