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    The Law of Both

    Both means this AND that. Definitely not this OR that. Instead of just choosing one and not the other, instead of rejecting one over the other, it means trying to accomodate both. Fit it all in, somehow. Let both sides win.
    It is the path of unification, without creating uniformity.
    So we can live in a Bothy or we can live in a Bothané, and still be neither condescending nor envious. We accept both life styles.


    Chateau de Bothané:


    Bothy:

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    Humility and free choice are the keys and yes we can accept both lifestyles and have enough resources world wide to facilitate such. What I am saying is totally acceptable IMO when one is not begotten at the expense of the other.

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    There is a habit to have an ideal which excludes alternatives. Sometimes just by being caught up in having an ideal can tread on the toes of others. When given the question, "If you were ruler for a day what would you do?" few can resist doing something, to toil and try and make it how you think it should be... yep the reason behind many a war.
    Half the time I think it could be helped purely by the awareness of the dynamic and the watchful eye. That it is most dangerous in its seeming invisibility.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nothing View Post
    There is a habit to have an ideal which excludes alternatives. Sometimes just by being caught up in having an ideal can tread on the toes of others. When given the question, "If you were ruler for a day what would you do?" few can resist doing something, to toil and try and make it how you think it should be... yep the reason behind many a war.
    Half the time I think it could be helped purely by the awareness of the dynamic and the watchful eye. That it is most dangerous in its seeming invisibility.
    Not a bad legacy, having gone down in history as the ruler of non-interference.

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    Wonder how Mahatma Gandhi would have seen that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gale Frierson View Post
    Wonder how Mahatma Gandhi would have seen that.
    It is up to the oppressor nation to make the changes where all people can receive the education to use the law of both. Unless they volunteer those rights the normal procedure is revolution. Gandhi was the exception.

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    Like this, the so called mind parasite will have problems lol.

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    While I understand the concept - I wonder how homeless People would feel. Let's ask them shall we?

    On another level - my first thought, when looking at the photographs was this: Imagine the housework. The dusting et cetera .... I guess that is when Servants and servtitude enters the scene ....

    Thought provoking but at what cost to the freedom of either/both the lifestyles in question???

    Much Peace - Amanda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda View Post
    While I understand the concept - I wonder how homeless People would feel. Let's ask them shall we?

    On another level - my first thought, when looking at the photographs was this: Imagine the housework. The dusting et cetera .... I guess that is when Servants and servtitude enters the scene ....

    Thought provoking but at what cost to the freedom of either/both the lifestyles in question???

    Much Peace - Amanda
    I have been a servant, and also had many servants. Even as an employer I was still giving service to others.
    The highest station in life is to be of service.

    One homeless guy I once knew always found a roof over his head, even if he didnt know from one day to the next where this was going to be.
    He is now the fashion director for Vanity Fair magazine. Vogue editors scrambled to have him stay in their spare room. He never rented or owned a place of his own.

    A person who has their inner act together never needs to worry about the above issues. They serve by giving their all, and they enjoy being served.
    Transcending societal programming is possible that if alternative ways of thinking are presented.
    Then the ups and downs of life will be seen for what they are- fleeting mirages.

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    I like the law of both. I have friends from both sides of the aisle. I like to know both (all, really) sides of an argument. I like fantasy and science fiction.

    The large house is beautiful. I personally don't want to have a house I have to staff. I don't have any services in terms of cleaning. All the cooking, cleaning, shopping, etc. is done by me. My husband does do his own laundry. And appliances are certainly helpful.

    The law of both means: two heads are better than one, and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts.

    We even have a symbol for it:

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    If service and serving is of importance - then ideally we should/could all be in service to each other - yes? Maybe then no one would be homeless or without essential needs. As for the person who bed hops - as long as he is happy that is all that matters. Personally being able to lay your bones in your bed each night is of comfort to many people.

    If everyone had what they needed/wanted, be it a large home or a small dwelling then there would be no one in need. That is the society that will benefit everyone - yes/no/maybe??

    Much Peace - Amanda

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amanda View Post
    If service and serving is of importance - then ideally we should/could all be in service to each other - yes? Maybe then no one would be homeless or without essential needs. As for the person who bed hops - as long as he is happy that is all that matters. Personally being able to lay your bones in your bed each night is of comfort to many people.

    If everyone had what they needed/wanted, be it a large home or a small dwelling then there would be no one in need. That is the society that will benefit everyone - yes/no/maybe??

    Much Peace - Amanda
    You got it, Amanda.
    I believe that even a so-called lazy person has something to offer as long as they are doing inner work, like meditators, and who strive for inner peace. Because that peace will radiate out, and have a positive affect on their environment.

    So it would be worthwhile to consider a society where no one is shamed for being humble, living a humble life style, and not being an achiever type.

    However, I would still have issues with their opposite, people who are excessive thrill seekers. People who feel dead unless they live on the edge. Maybe someone can help me with that. I would like to find an angle where I can become 100% inclusive.

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    I was trying to find a webpage on Service vs Servitude. It was one I found quite a good number of years ago. It had a few good examples or analogies on service vs servitude. From memory, the one I may be able to relay was the one in which one person is disabled, in a wheelchair, and another person who is close to them, starts doing lots of things for the disabled person. They do it out of love and pity and the goodness of their heart. They can sometimes do it partially out of some form of guilt. Yet when you step back, the person is helping the disabled person too much, making them reliant, making them believe they can't do things on their own. Between them they have created a bond of servitude where it is entirely unhelpful for each person.

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    Dear Paloma,

    Maybe your are inclusive and it is the thrill seeker type that does not want to be included...not enough buzz for them!!

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    Interesting, Nothing. We would worry that my Dad's wife was doing too much for him when he should be doing for himself. She's always doing things for people and her daughters worry that she doesn't relax enough herself. Over time, my Dad's decline has been more about health issues than her helping him and she does take time for herself.

    She just happens to be a go-go-go type, which served her well when she was a teacher of sixth graders for 25 years!

    I can say from personal experience that I get thanks and positive feedback for being a positive and kind person. People will compliment me, observing that I never speak badly of people. That's a great compliment to receive and it's the result of something that can't be measured and planned and weighed. It's just about how someone lives their life.

    No doubt I think some sh!t about people, but I keep my Grandaddy in mind who taught me, if you don't have something nice to say, say nothing.

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