What Motivates Bill Ryan of Project Avalon Community Forum?

[Aragorn]

I'm not so sure the ground is barren. This kid seems to have a head on her shoulders, just not very long in the tooth life experience wise. I know what that's like. If she's smart as I think she might be, she'd at least hear your side of the story out in an objective manner.

Perhaps that matter should then best be handled via private messages.

As an aside, might moderation consider a time limit for Gio's ban on this thread? He's one of the few battle hardened veterans still around, and if the last offensive post in question was on par with the others that got deleted, it can't have been all that egregious to warrant a permanent.

It wasn't so much the post in and of itself, but rather the deliberately trollish intent behind it, and the fact that it was a verbatim copy of one of his earlier posts on this thread. It was trolling for the sake of trolling. He had already made his point earlier ─ ad nauseam, even ─ and there was no need for him to keep tooting that same horn over and over and over again. We heard him the first time.

[sourcetruth]

This isn't the first time ad hominem attacks were an issue on the forum.

I don't doubt the intelligence side, it's the attitude that forms a bar to any discussion.
If it was any thicker, even Vader couldn't get through it with his lightsabre...............

I know what you mean. She has a long history, and some of that is with me.
In the past, she has followed me to multiple forums and platforms to argue against me wherever I went. She has never acknowledged any points that I make. She has also made several as hominem attacks on this forum before, including to myself, and got reprimanded for it.
She is defensive of Project Avalon and Bill Ryan. Ever since she followed me there to my thread and I got banned from there, she has grown quite fond of the forum, especially after I started criticizing it.

[Aragorn]

sourcetruth has now also been banned from this thread. He has already shown on multiple occasions that he's only opportunistically seeking to fan the flames due to the fact that he was unsubscribed from Project Avalon, and the fact that Malisa was trying to talk sense into him both over there and here at The OneTruth ─ as we all were, to no avail.

[Malisa]

sourcetruth has now also been banned from this thread. He has already shown on multiple occasions that he's only opportunistically seeking to fan the flames due to the fact that he was unsubscribed from Project Avalon, and the fact that Malisa was trying to talk sense into him both over there and here at The OneTruth ─ as we all were, to no avail.

I also would like to note, just this time, that it's not true that i never addressed his claims, i did in a very throughout way, to the point he was unable to reply and instead started attacking my person, saying insults like "you laugh like a donkey" and plenty other things such as "you are hedonist" because i had a healthy relationship with my gf, so what does that matter at all? He went from losing arguments to directly insult me and then he claims i was doing ad hominen attacks on him

This is all documented on Out of Mind forums and on Twitter, but once he was exposed he deleted his Twitter and youtube accounts and started using other accounts to attack people around

He also constantly made sure to remind me that as a woman, i was "lesser" than him, and acted in misogynist ways around me, basically calling me "impure" for just being me and having a gf at the time, he dislikes women very much, and i was attacked online because of it. Originally i tried talking to him but he rejected any attempt, i even offered to buy him some books he wanted to read on Amazon, but once he new i was a woman he rejected the offer, this is crazy wrong. And i can totally see he's still going with the hate

This is off topic so i'm going to stop now, but just wanted to clarify that i never failed to address his claims, he just was unable to figure out his own agenda and deleted all the evidence. I see he continues to pretend none of that happened, and that's sad and troublesome to see

[Chris]

Just for the record, I don't really have a problem with the fact that Bill supports Donald Trump, because I know why Bill believes that Trump would be the better choice. I think that Bill is being naive in this matter, and that, in this naiveté, Bill has also completely forgotten that there are still alternatives beside the US Democrats and the US Republicans.

Bill's motivation for supporting Donald Trump is not driven by what Trump truly stands for ─ i.e. nationalism, corporatism and both personal and cultural narcissism. No, Bill supports Donald Trump because he believes that the alternative would be even worse, because Joe Biden is after all a candidate from within the corrupt corporatist-globalist establishment.

So Bill's outspoken support for Trump, even if I don't agree with him in that, was definitely not why I left Project Avalon. There were several different reasons why I left, but I guess you could say that most of them boil down to the insanity of a very vocal group of members ─ some of whom are quite arrogant, others are quite disdainful and cynical, and yet others are blinded by a frothing hatred for anything perceived as left-wing. Just as Joseph McCarthy would have wanted it.

A large contingent of these people has been completely hypnotized by Donald Trump and the Q phenomenon, and they are embracing fascism without knowing that they are, because they don't even understand what fascism really is, just as they don't understand what socialism is.

Another contingent exhibits Pavlovian knee-jerk reactions on account of anything mainstream, in favor of both unproven and disproven pseudoscience. Among other things, we're talking of incessant Covid-19 denial, paranoia regarding 5G, the belief that autism would be caused by vaccines ─ coupled to the vehement defense of Andrew Wakefield, who was barred from every practising medicine again ─ and more anti-truth.

There is a significant overlap between both of these contingents ─ albeit that it's not a one-on-one match ─ and there is most definitely intellectual dishonesty among the both of them. If you present them with the facts, then it's like you're suddenly speaking another language and they can't understand a single word you're saying, with as a result that they'll simply flat-out ignore what you just said.

What makes everything worse, however, is that Bill is protective of both of these groups of people and has as such allowed Project Avalon to degrade into merely an echo chamber for the alt-right and the truth-deniers. Yes, when it comes to hard science, Bill still puts his foot down, and in the battle against the Covid-19 deniers, we stood side by side as hard-scientists. But that is not enough, and it backfired, because then we got to see reactions from members who couldn't tell our personal opinions and knowledge apart from the Project Avalon leadership and "party line". Anything we said was interpreted as an almost dictatorial intervention on account of the members' freedom of speech.

There were a couple of other reasons as well on account of why I had to leave Project Avalon, among which (but not limited to) the fact that I was still suffering from a second Covid-19 infection ─ which, like the first time around, has long-term consequences that I'm still battling with ─ and the fact that I'm a very busy man. I'm also still the administrator here, and I'm a moderator at the Manjaro Linux forum. But the most significant factor in my decision to leave Project Avalon was without any doubt the amount of lunacy from those two very vocal and entitled contingents, and the fact that Bill is allowing these people to bring down the quality of Project Avalon.

I was literally feeling embarrassed to still be a member there, let alone a staff member, and I've told Bill. It all became too much to bear, and something had to give. It had been brooding in my mind for quite some time already, and it was a serene discussion in the Project Avalon mod room ─ not an argue, but a very serious and somewhat intense discussion ─ that prompted me to bite the bullet and leave.

But that said, I don't hold any grudges against Bill. In fact, I sent him an interesting article regarding Covid-19 ─ which I've posted on a pertinent thread here ─ via email only yesterday, and he posted it as a new thread at Project Avalon, crediting me in the process. So it's not like we're not on speaking terms anymore. We parted as friends, and I still respect the man. But it was obvious that I, being who I am, don't belong at Project Avalon.

So there you have it.

Hmm, quite an interesting turn of events.

Can't say I blame you, without wanting to offend anyone's delicate sensibilities, that forum is unfortunately becoming a shit-show for some reason, attracting crazy, paranoid types.

It has been infested by what JH Kunstler calls Corn-Pone Nazis, a unique type of home-grown (and corn-fed) fascist that thrives on paranoid conspiracy theories.

I still find some of the material posted there interesting, where it concerns alternative views and information regarding things like UFOs and spiritual topics, but I don't think I could stomach having discussions with those kind of paranpid conspiracy and Qanon types that seems to dominate the forum these days.

I am starting to think that some other forums have bans on certain types of discussions for good reason.

Spiritual forums (if it can be recovered, that is), has a ban on political topics and discussions. Actualized.org has a ban on conspiracy theory-type dicsussions. I think that is quite a smart policy.

For what it's worth, I think Project Avalon should have a more narrow focus and concentrate on topics that are actually pertinent and relevant to the alternative community. I must admit that I have always found the general atmosphere of paranoia and groupthink there to be off-putting.

I recall, that within days of joining up there I was accused of being an intelligence asset with an MK ultra handler who was sent to infiltrate the community...

[Dear Reader]

At this stage of the game, what is it's (PA) purpose?

And to some extent, this forum right here??

This is just my very humble observation, and to some extent, point of view.

I get the tag-line, "where science and spirituality meet", yeah I get that, but beyond that it has just morphed into one giant echo-chamber with factions that have split-off viciously defending their corner of said chamber. In the past annuls of time, in the early days it was a breath of fresh air, to meet like-minded kiff and kin, to talk about the subjects that one wouldn't necessarily speak to friends or family about, there was a real kinship amongst the few...... Bit of drama here and there, some oddballs appearing every so often, there were things to be learnt, new info to chase, decrement to practice and sharpen, hell, there was even a monthly 'News Letters' sent out, a compilation of what Bill thought was that months most interesting and pertinent information. Good stuff all round.

But now..........

Yep, we all grow, if you've been around for any length of time no doubt there's not a huge amount that will shock any more. We know how the grand game is played, and as Icke is fond of saying, "know the destination, know the journey". I understand the value of forums such as these for the people who have only just had the veil lifted, it's value lies in it's halls of content, and with half-decent researching skills one could have a wonderful time digging through the info that best interests them. Above and beyond that now................ I'm not so sure. Sitting around endlessly talking about sh*t and not actually doing anything about that sh*t ain't the most productive way to be spending one's time, no? Sitting around endlessly talking about sh*t and not actually doing anything about that sh*t, does that make you a better human being? Does that elevate you intellectually in some way?? No, thought not. Maybe that should be explained to a few members over yonder.

I've seen Bill a lot recently trying to 'steer' the tone of the topics on the main-facing page by bumping thread after thread from the depths of the vault, instead of letting the forum organically present what it is that it's members are talking about, which shows that he knows that it ain't quite right, and to me, if you are artificially trying to present your forum to the world as one thing, when in reality it is another thing completely, well, say it ain't so Joe.

Yoo's folks here are a different kettle of fish though. I do read here every day, and you seem to be a tighter bunch, I understand that many here have had similar experiences from elsewhere before coming here, so there is a shared kinship there, I get that, but I get the feeling that here, you ain't trying to 'be' something, you just 'are'........ If ya catch ma drift.

Anyway, as I said, It's just an observation, no harm done.

As you were.

[Aianawa]

Mmmff feels good being an ARE , feels strong and forward, ta.

[Chris]

@Dear Reader

As Aragorn is fond of saying, the entire so-called alternative community has disgraced and discredited itself by its association with and support of the currrent US administration. They have clearly been co-opted and it is a sickening sight, not to mention that the Alex Jones types are now effectively in power not just in the US, but in many other parts of the world where the "populist" revolution is overturning the old liberal order.

[Dear Reader]

@Dear Reader

As Aragorn is fond of saying, the entire so-called alternative community has disgraced and discredited itself by its association with and support of the currrent US administration. They have clearly been co-opted and it is a sickening sight, not to mention that the Alex Jones types are now effectively in power not just in the US, but in many other parts of the world where the "populist" revolution is overturning the old liberal order.

I couldn't agree more Chris,

but wanted to refrain from Politik-Think for the simple reason that the known observable universe isn't big enough to contain my written thoughts on The Grand Game.

[Wind]

As Aragorn is fond of saying, the entire so-called alternative community has disgraced and discredited itself by its association with and support of the currrent US administration.

This is something that has been very disturbing for me to witness during the past few years, of course it didn't start with the Orange Man but it sure got worse with him. I had my illusions about this community and they were shattered completely. I'm amazed that people look up for politicians to save them and to lead them to some kind of salvation. If that isn't mindless herd-mentality then I don't know what is.

[Chris]

This is something that has been very disturbing for me to witness during the past few years, of course it didn't start with the Orange Man but it sure got worse with him. I had my illusions about this community and they were shattered completely. I'm amazed that people look up for politicians to save them and to lead them to some kind of salvation. If that isn't mindless herd-mentality then I don't know what is.

The most disturbing aspect is that this has happened once already, in 1930's Europe.

Various far-right movements on the continent thrived on paranoid conspiracy theories and it got really ugly when they actually seized power. Another parallel is a polarisation, where people are now either far-right or far-left, with very little in between. That is why we are now seeing pre-civil-war conditions in a number of countries, chiefly the USA. I'm afraid this election will bring considerable amounts of actual violence, no matter who wins. Neither side will accept the results, they will be contested and actual civil war battles might be fought on the streets. That BTW, is very reminiscent of the chaos in Weimar Germany or pre-civil-war Spain.

[Aragorn]

The most disturbing aspect is that this has happened once already, in 1930's Europe.

Various far-right movements on the continent thrived on paranoid conspiracy theories and it got really ugly when they actually seized power. Another parallel is a polarisation, where people are now either far-right or far-left, with very little in between. That is why we are now seeing pre-civil-war conditions in a number of countries, chiefly the USA. I'm afraid this election will bring considerable amounts of actual violence, no matter who wins. Neither side will accept the results, they will be contested and actual civil war battles might be fought on the streets. That BTW, is very reminiscent of the chaos in Weimar Germany or pre-civil-war Spain.

My thoughts exactly, Chris. My thoughts exactly.

[Dreamtimer]

"Corn-Pone Nazis" That term is funny. The reality of it isn't, of course.

"In the past annuls of time, in the early days it was a breath of fresh air, to meet like-minded kiff and kin, to talk about the subjects that one wouldn't necessarily speak to friends or family about, there was a real kinship amongst the few...... Bit of drama here and there, some oddballs appearing every so often, there were things to be learnt, new info to chase, decrement to practice and sharpen, hell, there was even a monthly 'News Letters' sent out, a compilation of what Bill thought was that months most interesting and pertinent information. Good stuff all round."

Those were the days, huh? I was never a member but I did lurk quite a bit. I don't any longer.


Why is it that 'populist' revolutions are never really about the people?


"...the known observable universe isn't big enough to contain my written thoughts on The Grand Game." Well, at least you won't have to worry about it all being lost due to tech difficulties.


I'm in the midst of this 1930s craziness. I still can't believe it. And I don't know what to do.

Actually, in part, the craziness of my country is what brought me here. I started just being interested in alternate theories. I've always been independent in my thinking and the way I live. And I wanted to know what was motivating folks on the right who seemed to be quite immersed in the alternate world.

Understanding hasn't brought much in the way of peace. I believed that I could communicate with people and help achieve greater understanding between folks.

But, beginning with Bsbray, and going on from there I mostly got attacked. Pretty viciously and yet nothing compared to what some folks undergo.

It's pretty sad.

[Emil El Zapato]

a Russian psychic has been predicting this for years, perhaps a little biased, perhaps even helping (confirmation bias) but it could happen. Lefties have guns, too ... they just keep them in their closets. Brother against brother ... My older brother has had an arsenal for years and has always been a 'gun' fanatic. I wouldn't shoot but he might. He, after all, is a strong advocate of the Golden one. I think he is the last in the family. lol! My nephew and I have already made a pact, a couple of years ago, that when it all goes to sh*t, he's got my back. We even have a rallying cry!

No, it's not "Brazos", it's "I'm coming in hot!"

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oFzxV_pmwI

Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XR-qN44En0

[Chris]

The dialectic trick is in the escalation. Both sides take it so far, that after a while, neither is willing to back down.

The fascist takeovers of the the 1920s and 1930s were preceded by violent attempts, sometimes successful, by the far-left to seize power and overturn the existing social order.

The very first such fascist takeover was in Hungary in 1919. It was preceded by the short-lived Hungarian Soviet Republic, whose leadership was mostly Jewish and it perpetrated what was subsequently called the "Red Terror". When the Hungarian Soviets were defeated (Soviet Russia was fighting a civil war at the time and was unable to help), a fascist, irredentist regime, led by a former Admiral in the Austro-Hungarian navy, took power.

The Horthy regime then proceeded to "restore order" which mostly meant the targeted killing of Jews, who were either involved, or in many cases, weren't, in the previous failed Soviet experiment. The first openly anti-semitic laws, aimed at restricting Jewish participation in academia and leadership positions via a quota system, were introduced in 1920.

A parallel process occured in Germany years later, except the Boklsheviks were unsuccessful in their attempts to overturn the Weimar Republic and Hitler seized power with the express aim of wiping out what he saw as "Jewish Bolshevism". That is when all the paranoid conspiracy theories about "Rotschild control" "International Jewry", the protocols and whatnot started. The hysteria around this whole issue was really very similar to what we are seeing now with pizzagate, Qanon, Demonrats, the Satanic Panic and all assorted topics.

Of course, there are conspiracy theories on both side of the debate (and sometimes, they are true), but the relentless paranoia and panic about an NWO Satanic Paedophile takeover is now really confined to one side only.