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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Bill is way too intelligent to indulge in the vilification of an entire population. He always treats every person as an individual, and he'll also always try to approach everyone with equal amounts of respect.
    Erm, no.
    One of my most infamous moments was taking him to task over doing exactly that about all white australians, for things the brits were mainly responsible for.
    I had something like 75% of the active members on my case for 24 hours straight and bill would never admit he was wrong.

    Quote Originally posted by Malisa View Post
    So, the idea that he has some things going on beyond that are ridiculous because i am the very proof of it not being true
    You have no idea.
    There used to be so much more going on that what you see on the forum.
    Much of what you say is only surface observation.
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    As the saying goes LS ...

    It is what it is ...

    Like the many that have witnessed and lived the PA experience over the past decade of years plus... The reality was, the forum was Bill's in name only ... He had/has quietly feasted and lived off the energy of the regular members continuous posting contributions, but personally garnished all the forum's financial donations as a personal benefit - I'm doubting if any taxes were ever collected on these sums over the years ...

    While regular members, moderator, administrators, were coming and going after each of his many infamous forum fiascos over the years ... Fascinatingly it always seemed to leave an ongoing forum base of deniers (some obviously cultist), to jump at and fill in the ranks for Bill to continuously move on and live off the energy of (especially from his association to) the Original PA forum and Project Camelot video interview glory days.

    Even now (as of yesterday), his take on things (as always) appears to admonish himself from any responsibility for his past personal behavior (s) and actions within the Alt community itself ... Deflecting any blame (as usual) to every and anyone but himself within the community.

    I find it kind of ironic, that it took Bill ten years (2008-2018) to get around to finally coming up with this thread idea ... Perhaps he needed that (extra) time to consume and ingest all his collective forum/shared information - analyzing it all, and now finally communicating willfully with the members and guest there ... Noting because he never shared in this open way during the forum's previous years.


    Bill Ryan's personal Question-and-Answer thread. Pile it on.



    Bill Ryan answering to one of his multiple butt kissers ...


    I'm pretty disgusted with the dog-eat-dog mêlée that is now the so-called 'alternative media'. I see more and more parallels with the mainstream, as greed, cheap entertainment, monetization, paywalls, ego, manipulation, toxicity, drama, sleaze, competition and fakery all slowly grow and grow and grow. It's not everywhere, but there's a lot of it now.

    I've posted several times that there's a kind of Stockholm Syndrome at play here, that I've not heard anyone else ever comment on. By that, I refer to the known phenomenon in which a kidnapped person, held prisoner by an authoritarian controlling group, sometimes flips to adopt the very same values as their powerful captors.

    The alt media has adopted the values of the mainstream, in just the same way. Much of the alt media is a cheap copy of CNN or Fox, complete with commercials. The content is different, but the copied style is very often just the same.

    It makes the days of Project Camelot, founded 14 years ago, seem like a naive simple playground in comparison. So to get to the question, I'm really not very motivated to go to the trouble to dive back into the alternative swamp.

    In the last several years I feel I've grown quite a lot, in the sense that it's no longer important for me in any ego-sense to be working hard to yell at thousands of people through some virtual bullhorn. I know what I know, I understand what I understand, my values are my values, and I'm personally very comfortable and rock solid with all that.

    A few people may listen to what I have to share, which I appreciate. I'm not trying to be famous, to get rich, to prove anything, or to compete. I do my own internal work, and I know that I make a difference, and have definitely done so.

    I know exactly what I've done in my life, which is really quite a lot. I'm 100% definitely nowhere near the end of this incarnation! But I know I've already way more than lived the life of most other people, whatever field they're in, and that generates its own peace and satisfaction.
    A worthy note ...

    The Project (s) might not have ever reached the big time (Ancient Aliens, Ghost Hunters etc. etc.), but Bill and Kerry have continued to muddle a way through their own conspiracy world's never ending chaos ...
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    Presenting an alternative to the alternative community.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    She studied and graduated as a filmmaker, and she has been employed at JPL, where according to her own recount, she didn't actually have to do anything other than be there, which she found suspicious ─ and it is. She too has been married only once, to the musician who wrote and produced the theme music for her videos ─ Rick something. She has no children.
    Funny NASA, among insiders is called a white collar work program ... which it is. Things and changes happen very slowly in the environment. After the retirement of the Space Shuttle people were shuffled around, traded badges etcetera to keep the budget money flowing. A guy moved in to the neighborhood into the cube next to me, he was handed a laptop and left to his own devices. He was there for about 3 months before he was laid off. In that time I never saw the guy open the machine even once. Absolutely not opened even once in 3 months, it was hilarious.
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    Bill needs to keep what he has going. He needs the energy and membership of his forum so he needs to let the Qult have its power, imo. And he needs to draw in members, which will happen with the Q stuff in the forefront and out in the open. But his membership will change and he may be inviting a beast which will overpower him.

    I don't personally believe that giving 'equal time' to the most extreme elements is in any way a good idea. But with the threads out in the open now, potential new members do have a better idea of what they're jumping into.

    So more Cultists will come and truth seekers who don't toe the line will be driven out.

    I predict the character of the forum will change dramatically.

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    I got into a discussion with my next door neighbor regarding the golden one. He is from Venezuela and his wife is from Ecuador. He is vociferously anti-socialism because he believes his country was ruined by Cuban infiltration. He is an 'undecided' golden one voter. I told him he won a point from me for being 'undecided'. I think I showed him the light regarding the golden one's 'strength' in opposing socialism. I stated that the only motivation underlying actions are self-serving and he agreed.

    He has a familial hegelian-dialectic going with him the thesis of anti-socialism, his wife the antithesis and his children the synthesis. The point here is that Ecuador may be a country that is liberal in nature. Ex-pats find their communities but I wonder how 'comfortable' Bill is living in the world he does. My question is do ex-pats tend to the 'libertarian' philosophy?

    I agree with Gio's analysis of PA and Bill Ryan. It's a mish mash of the idealogue and mostly senseless. No real rhythm that represents a coherent integrated thinking process. Bill, I believe has always played both sides against the middle while tending to the negative. Why is anyone's guess, but it would be easy to suggest it was for personal gain.

    His test questions suggest the motivation is to change the world for the better but I've never seen a concerted effort to do any such thing, rather just the opposite in fact. He does keep track of his people. When I asked to be given another chance, he was fully aware of my history there. He knows what he wants to happen on the forum.

    In terms of the neverending parade of sycophants, I would liken it to property owners, specifically apartment properties in Texas. There are victims born everyday, fodder for the money machine.
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    "Marxists"

    Quote Originally posted by Malisa View Post
    Does he?

    He seems to like me very much, seeing as i'm Russian oligarchy (as far as the ridiculous US rules say so) i have never seen him hating me about that?

    Who knows, but i do tend to think that he has way more things going on than that
    Malisa, Your response is confusing. He obviously doesn't think you're a Communist. For that matter, he probably doesn't think Russia is Communist or China either. That was the point of my post. Where are all these scary Communist monsters? He has copied and pasted at least one wild ass thing about how Communists infiltrate societies. That idea supports PA assumption that BLM is a dangerous Marxist plot and that anti-fa are of the same ilk. And of course these Marxist's ultimate goal is world domination.

    I figure even if they were all Marxists, they have so little power it's zero concern.

    He believes what he says. It's not nefarious, underhanded or manipulative. It's just wrong and he has irritated a huge percentage of people right off the forum because he doesn't seem to get that this line of thinking can lead to real world violence and unecessary civil unrest. If he does get that and still supports it, knowing that, it's a shame.

    Most citizens on the right and left want the same thing, ironically. The answer is progressive politics, not a two party duopoly presided over by dinosaurs pointing fingers at each other, screaming, "witch, witch."

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I predict the character of the forum will change dramatically.
    Oh, it already has. What keeps me there are the good people, but political threads have turned sour a long time ago and certain people have left or are staying quiet for various reasons. Like my friend Aragorn, I barely feel like expressing my opinions about the political stuff there anymore. I tend to stick to the spiritual stuff as it's my forte anyways. Sure I'll take a look every now and then at the political and conspiracy-madness fumed threads, but what I see is disheartening and at times quite worrysome too.

    I see people operating on a quite narrow band of consciousness which is low-vibrational too, it's revolving around the tribal and survival mentality, fear being one of the key words. That's quite far away from the intellect let alone the heart-spaced wisdom and I'm not judging, I'm observing. Unfortunately it is way too easy to hypnotize masses of people and get them buy into all kinds of theories and movements.
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    The problem with this kind of stuff is that it's basic perception from each one's point of view

    You may have seen stuff i have not, or interpreted in a way that goes against your beliefs. I have not seen anything that would cause me to reject Bill Ryan, or Avalon. I could even say that by some of the stuff i did in the past months, i would have been banned any other place, yet i wasn't and i had a lot of support from them, even way more than my own family, to be clear and honest.

    This also happened "behind the scenes" so who would know if i don't say it?

    The way this is going, it's like asking other people to reconsider their views based on something they have not seen, but other people did, or interpreted as a bad thing. Like blind fate, otherwise, if you speak about it, there must be some evidence, because just saying "i know stuff happened" and then not showing the "why/how/what" leads into a bad road

    I got reminded of this lol:

    "I don't like sand politics. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."

    LOL

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    Quote Originally posted by Malisa View Post
    The problem with this kind of stuff is that it's basic perception from each one's point of view

    You may have seen stuff i have not, or interpreted in a way that goes against your beliefs. I have not seen anything that would cause me to reject Bill Ryan, or Avalon. I could even say that by some of the stuff i did in the past months, i would have been banned any other place, yet i wasn't and i had a lot of support from them, even way more than my own family, to be clear and honest.

    This also happened "behind the scenes" so who would know if i don't say it?

    The way this is going, it's like asking other people to reconsider their views based on something they have not seen, but other people did, or interpreted as a bad thing. Like blind fate, otherwise, if you speak about it, there must be some evidence, because just saying "i know stuff happened" and then not showing the "why/how/what" leads into a bad road

    I got reminded of this lol:

    "I don't like sand politics. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere. Not like here. Here everything is soft and smooth."

    LOL
    Go and read the threads about Charles/Atticus/Stephen and the 18, with all the crazy shit that went on at that time.
    How can I explain months and months of discussion in a private section of the forum? And PM's from bill, moderators and others?
    My point is, there's far more to that forum and the membership than you know............
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    Quote Originally posted by Lord Sidious View Post
    Go and read the threads about Charles/Atticus/Stephen and the 18, with all the crazy shit that went on at that time.
    How can I explain months and months of discussion in a private section of the forum? And PM's from bill, moderators and others?
    My point is, there's far more to that forum and the membership than you know............
    If they only knew and experienced what we did, M'lord. We were deep into the 'backroom' stuff.

    It was what it was. Lots of garbage and 'leaders'.

    Bunch of clowns.

    Yes, Lord Sid and myself were part of the Atticus 18. An 'elite' group of people approved by "Atticus'. Lord Sid was first to get booted, for being honest. I was not far behind him. I have no grievance with the man, Charles/Atticus. We did not fit together and parted as friends. Never spoken a negative word about him.

    What I know is my business and I honor confidentiality when it does not protect bad actors. Charles/Atticus/Stephen was never a bad actor in any sense of the word. He was quite a character though.

    I hope he is well.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    That’s exactly how I feel reading all these comments

    Dwelling in the past, unable to move forward deep inside, trying to push their feelings about things that no one cares about anymore, being bothered by things that don’t matter at all

    So boring and pointless

    I have better things to do in life than go read a lot of boring bickering between old mindset people who are uncapable of understanding they will never agree on anything because their mud is not better than the mud being thrown from the other side of the river, even if they think it is because of primal behavior

    Meh
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Kevin Moore also adamantly claims that the Project Avalon staff ─ and Bill in particular ─ read the members' private messages. This is a flagrant and bald-faced lie. You need a special vBulletin plugin to be able to do that, and no such a plugin is installed at Project Avalon.
    Bill Ryan also made a false claim on the Avalon thread when he claimed that Lisa the art dealer had been compensated by insurance.

    Maybe you should ask the FBI how much info they have on a certain woman named Judy, eh?
    There's no reason to drag her into this conversation.


    Quote Originally posted by Malisa View Post
    It's so odd that you continue to attack someone who doesn't care anything about you, or even remembers you at all

    Your ego got hit bad, weren't you the one who bragged to me on ATS about how Bill Ryan was talking to you and how he was way smarter and Avalon was a great place, compared to ATS?

    And once you got booted you started acting like a butt hurt kid and continued to do for more than a year now? When are you going to grow up?
    There are two facts around this, both related to you:

    1. This continuing repeat of yourself gets boring real fast, way too much
    2. You hate Bill Ryan and lack the proper way to act classy around it, so you just show up as this person you proved yourself to be way too many times
    That's just a negative way of saying that I was upset. With the kind of attitude that you and them have given me, its absolutely justified for me to have been upset by it, and I am not ashamed about how I feel.

    Also:

    P.S.

    The US court is not the court of the world, and it has never been proven either way, so saying "he owes some money" without a fair trial, is just crap talking. Just the kind you like the most, so it seems

    Incredible enough for you, an US judge would consider your own words useless and meaningless
    The US court doesn't have to be the court of the world in order to make decisions within its own jurisdiction. They have already made that decision, weighing the available information about the case.
    What basis do you have to claim what somebody else would think of my words? Just because you don't want to acknowledge any value of my words, doesn't mean that someone else won't.

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    Quote Originally posted by sourcetruth View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Kevin Moore also adamantly claims that the Project Avalon staff ─ and Bill in particular ─ read the members' private messages. This is a flagrant and bald-faced lie. You need a special vBulletin plugin to be able to do that, and no such a plugin is installed at Project Avalon.

    Kevin Moore can claim all he wants, but he has lost all credibility with me. Bill Ryan on the other hand may have his flaws ─ who doesn't? ─ but his integrity in this matter stands like a house on solid ground, and having been closely involved with all dealings within the Project Avalon mod room as an administrator for about eight months, I can testify first-hand how protective Bill is of his members and their privacy. I also repeat that his story regarding the Picasso drawing and how it came into the possession of his family has never changed. Bill has been both consistent and transparent in that from day one.
    Bill Ryan also made a false claim on the Avalon thread when he claimed that Lisa the art dealer had been compensated by insurance.
    What Bill said was that it would only be logical if Lisa was indeed compensated by her insurance, and that as far as he knew, she had indeed compensated. He only found out much later that this was not the case.

    Quote Originally posted by sourcetruth View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Maybe you should ask the FBI how much info they have on a certain woman named Judy, eh?
    There's no reason to drag her into this conversation.
    There is if you're going to maintain double standards. And you do. You're simply pissed off with Bill because no one at Project Avalon took your Quartz Crystal material seriously, and because your subsequent behavior over there eventually got you unsubscribed. You've held a grudge against Bill ever since then, and now you are latching onto the kerfuffle that Kevin Moore started as new fuel for that grudge. And Moore himself also holds a grudge against Bill, because he too was unsubscribed from Project Avalon, because of his grotesque and selfish behavior.

    Look man, you can't hide it ─ you're not even trying to hide it ─ and neither can Kevin Moore. I recognize the pattern all too well, because once upon a time I was in your shoes, okay? I too was once banned from Project Avalon, and when I then signed up here and saw other people here bashing Bill, it was all too easy to jump on that bandwagon. And the longer you let that fester, the more it will skew your perception of what's really going on over at Project Avalon.

    I've just had eight months behind me as an administrator at Project Avalon. I was either involved with or a direct witness to the discussions in the mod room. I've spoken with Bill on account of several topics. I think I now have a pretty good understanding of what kind of a man he is and what he stands for, and that goes for the other Project Avalon staff members as well. And they're all human beings with flaws and qualities ─ no exception to that rule. I have my differences with Bill on account of the course that Project Avalon should follow with regard to the right-wing extremism that's brooding there, but I still respect the man, and I know that he's trying very hard to be a good human being, even if I don't agree with his choices.

    Bill Ryan is not a criminal, and he's not trying to con anybody. He has been transparent and consistent regarding that issue with the Picasso sketch from the first day onward. But shit happens, and sometimes life just deals you a bad hand of cards, even if your intentions are honorable. Something just like that could be happening to you tomorrow, or next year, or maybe ten years from now. Life isn't fair, and I don't think it'll ever be. But it is what it is, so let it rest now. That horse has already long been beaten to death, and Kevin Moore is a cheap shot for digging it up again and then adding some deliberate lies on top.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Quote Originally posted by Malisa View Post
    That’s exactly how I feel reading all these comments

    Dwelling in the past, unable to move forward deep inside, trying to push their feelings about things that no one cares about anymore, being bothered by things that don’t matter at all

    So boring and pointless

    I have better things to do in life than go read a lot of boring bickering between old mindset people who are uncapable of understanding they will never agree on anything because their mud is not better than the mud being thrown from the other side of the river, even if they think it is because of primal behavior

    Meh
    Be very careful of projection, for you speak of someone else, not the Modern Wizard.
    I know him very well and he is nothing like that.
    However, this post tells me that you're in for a rough ride, as you won't listen to others who went up the road before you.
    Ní siocháin go saoirse

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