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    Trump's been Russian around

    Is it simply the media who likes to discuss this? Of course not. But the media, including social and forums, is where we share it.

    There is a very long time line.

    More than one source has been following this timeline.

    Many have been following and researching this.

    On February 2, 2017, Kremlin agent and Trump pal Aras Agalarov announced the Trump Tower Moscow project was dead. http://russianconstruction.com/news-...ow-region.html

    In announcing the project's end, Russian media confirmed that the project had begun in 2013, and that there was only ever ONE project.

    Just to underscore this: Trump was working on a real estate deal with a KNOWN Kremlin agent for SEVEN MONTHS while running for president.

    Recall that—by Trump's own public admission—as late as Election Day he did not believe he would win the presidency of the United States.

    Trump thought that—on November 9, 2016—he'd return to being a non-politician private citizen free to do big international business deals.

    So all of Trump's historically pro-Russia foreign policy was developed at a time he thought he was making a pitch for Trump Tower Moscow.

    To reverse his policy positions in office would be to admit that they'd not been formulated with U.S. interests in mind—a sad catch-22.

    The Agalarov-Trump partnership began in June 2013, 18 months before Trump's announcement—and while he was *aggressively* considering it.

    A May 2013 NYP article, "Trump Researching 2016 Run," revealed Trump had spent $1 million on electoral research. http://pagesix.com/2013/05/27/trump-...hing-2016-run/

    Trump's May 2013 expenditures studied ALL FIFTY STATES to determine Trump's popularity in each—and Trump's attorney said he was SERIOUS.

    Michael Cohen: "We didn't spend $1 million on this research for it to sit on my bookshelf....Trump is exactly what this country needs."

    According to Trump, almost twenty nations around the world spent May 2013 frantically vying for the honor of hosting Miss Universe 2013.

    And yet, within ONE WEEK of meeting Agalarov for the FIRST TIME in June 2013, Trump awarded that year’s Miss Universe pageant to Russia.

    A western diplomat in Moscow has gone much further: "If there are skeletons in Trump's dealings with Russia, Aras knows where they are."

    (We'll return to this, but remember who Trump was partying with the night Steele's dossier says Putin got his kompromat: Aras Agalarov.)

    "And if Aras Agalarov knows Donald Trump's skeletons, you wouldn't bet on Vladimir Putin not ALSO knowing," added the Western diplomat.

    It's clear that "Trump Tower Moscow" was born sometime between June 2013 and the 2013 pageant—but likely *at* that June "first meeting."

    We know this because Trump Tower Moscow was announced by RT, Russia's Kremlin-run media outlet, on November 9th—the day of the pageant.

    As Aras and Trump had already discussed a Trump Tower Moscow deal finally getting hatched out in Moscow, Trump went to Moscow PREPARED.

    He brought with him Alex Sapir and Rotem Rosen, two New York-based Russian developers who'd previously worked with Trump on Trump Soho.

    Sapir and Rosen would later say, "Russians from the oil and gas businesses had long been asking to be partners [in Trump Tower Moscow]."

    So, WELL PRIOR to November 2013, Trump's Russian business partners told him Russians in the oil/gas industries wanted to give him money.

    This is a good time to note Trump has—since November 2013—categorically refused to say which Russians he met during the Moscow pageant.

    Trump would later say THIS about the (Trump-orchestrated) attendance at his Moscow pageant: "Almost all Russia's oligarchs were there."

    Trump would add, as if to underscore his obsession with pandering to these "Russian oligarchs": "The Russian market is attracted to me."


    There's so much more.

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    Yes much more ...

    With yesterday's black smoke emitting from the Russian San Francisco consulate chimney ...

    Perhaps a tell/tale sign indicating metaphorically/literally any such deals are now kaput ...


    "Where There’s Smoke" ...



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    Russian Collusion meme: When does the "beating of a dead horse" ever come to an end?
    Apparently, according to the corporate MSM: Never!


    CNN Investigates Russian Salad Dressing
    (Published on Mar 29, 2017)

    Before the election:


    No, the presidential election can't be hacked
    By Tal Kopan, CNN
    Updated 4:29 PM ET, Wed October 19, 2016



    After Hillary Clinton lost:



    Where's the outrage over Russia's hack of the US election?
    By Paul Waldman
    Updated 7:34 PM ET, Sat December 10, 2016
    Last edited by turiya, 3rd September 2017 at 12:38.

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    If Trump had really not been prebriefed that he would win the Presidency, then he was the only one since Eisenhower at least. I think he has since been offered the silver or lead option, and took the silver.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    If Trump had really not been prebriefed that he would win the Presidency, then he was the only one since Eisenhower at least. I think he has since been offered the silver or lead option, and took the silver.
    Trump may not have been 'prebriefed' that he would win the Presidency... But there was one that had been 'prebiefed'.

    And that one appears to have been the one that was known as Kim Clement. Kim Clement was considered a present-day prophet...

    The following video was part of a live broadcast from February, 22, 2014... Kim describes the vision that he had received starting @10:50...

    A veil has been placed upon this Nation
    (Published on Jul 30, 2016)

    From the Description section:
    Kim Clement saw a vision back in February, 2014.
    This video was part of a live broadcast from February, 22, 2014

    _________________________
    Kim Clement prophesying
    about Donald Trump 2007

    (Published on Jul 23, 2017)
    Last edited by turiya, 3rd September 2017 at 22:22.

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    Quote Originally posted by turiya View Post
    Russian Collusion meme: When does the "beating of a dead horse" ever come to an end?
    Apparently, according to the corporate MSM: Never!


    CNN Investigates Russian Salad Dressing
    (Published on Mar 29, 2017)

    Before the election:


    No, the presidential election can't be hacked
    By Tal Kopan, CNN
    Updated 4:29 PM ET, Wed October 19, 2016



    After Hillary Clinton lost:



    Where's the outrage over Russia's hack of the US election?
    By Paul Waldman
    Updated 7:34 PM ET, Sat December 10, 2016

    Speaking of 'beating a dead horse'... here's more by Mark Dice on how the Hurricane Harvey tragedy for many got in the way of MSNBC promoting their Russian Collusion meme...


    MSNBC Idiot Complains Houston Flood
    Stopped Russia Collusion Coverage

    (Published on Sep 5, 2017)
    Last edited by turiya, 5th September 2017 at 15:50.

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    Quote Originally posted by turiya View Post

    Speaking of 'beating a dead horse'... here's more by Mark Dice on how the Hurricane Harvey tragedy for many got in the way of MSNBC promoting their Russian Collusion meme...


    MSNBC Idiot Complains Houston Flood
    Stopped Russia Collusion Coverage

    (Published on Sep 5, 2017)


    With thanks to Dreamtimer, I believe the following video explains quite adequately how all of that works...


    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    We should be responsible about things we post...Just my opinion...

    https://www.discerningtheworld.com/2...false-prophet/

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    Kevin Shipp's wiki page is in Swedish?

    Not sure why. He is certainly a polished presenter which is admirable for a CIA operative whose primary mandate is 'silence'? Why does the Deep State allow people like this to even exist. We have seen where the lower levels of operatives have managed issues like this with alacrity. For example, The right has been trying to frame the Clintons for decades, up to and including providing dead bodies for evidence. Plenty of dead bodies, yet, this guy is exposing the very top level of the 'cabal' and he is still highly visible and exposing them. hmm, not sure about this kind of stuff.

    just my hard head spewing a stream of consciousness.

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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Kevin Shipp's wiki page is in Swedish?

    Not sure why. He is certainly a polished presenter which is admirable for a CIA operative whose primary mandate is 'silence'? Why does the Deep State allow people like this to even exist. We have seen where the lower levels of operatives have managed issues like this with alacrity. For example, The right has been trying to frame the Clintons for decades, up to and including providing dead bodies for evidence. Plenty of dead bodies, yet, this guy is exposing the very top level of the 'cabal' and he is still highly visible and exposing them. hmm, not sure about this kind of stuff.

    just my hard head spewing a stream of consciousness.
    He does say that they're watching him closely, hoping that he'll make a mistake, which he himself is highly conscious of and has thus been carefully avoiding so far.

    And of course, if they were to kill him, then that in itself would only confirm everything he says. That is also why David Icke is still alive. It is more opportune for the cabal to ridicule an opponent who makes a lot of waves than to eliminate them.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    True, True...I haven't searched the net for those types of ridiculing posts...here goes...

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    I don't understand the denial. What is the source of resistance? What is the love affair with Russia, Tartaria, and Putin all about? Why do so many folks on both sides have their heads in the sand?

    Recent news on the long-term interference of Russia and Putin has arrived.

    Kremlin papers appear to show Putin’s plot to put Trump in White House

    Vladimir Putin personally authorised a secret spy agency operation to support a “mentally unstable” Donald Trump in the 2016 US presidential election during a closed session of Russia’s national security council, according to what are assessed to be leaked Kremlin documents.

    The key meeting took place on 22 January 2016, the papers suggest, with the Russian president, his spy chiefs and senior ministers all present.

    They agreed a Trump White House would help secure Moscow’s strategic objectives, among them “social turmoil” in the US and a weakening of the American president’s negotiating position.

    Russia’s three spy agencies were ordered to find practical ways to support Trump, in a decree appearing to bear Putin’s signature.
    Western intelligence agencies are understood to have been aware of the documents for some months and to have carefully examined them. The papers, seen by the Guardian, seem to represent a serious and highly unusual leak from within the Kremlin.

    The Guardian has shown the documents to independent experts who say they appear to be genuine. Incidental details come across as accurate. The overall tone and thrust is said to be consistent with Kremlin security thinking.
    The report – “No 32-04 \ vd” – is classified as secret. It says Trump is the “most promising candidate” from the Kremlin’s point of view. The word in Russian is perspektivny.

    There is a brief psychological assessment of Trump....There is also apparent confirmation that the Kremlin possesses kompromat...collected – the document says – from Trump’s earlier “non-official visits to Russian Federation territory”.
    (see first image below)

    A Trump win “will definitely lead to the destabilisation of the US’s sociopolitical system” and see hidden discontent burst into the open, it predicts.
    Various measures are cited that the Kremlin might adopt in response to what it sees as hostile acts from Washington. The paper lays out several American weaknesses. These include a “deepening political gulf between left and right”, the US’s “media-information” space, and an anti-establishment mood under President Barack Obama.
    (see second image below)

    There are paragraphs on how Russia might insert “media viruses” into American public life, which could become self-sustaining and self-replicating. These would alter mass consciousness, especially in certain groups, it says.
    The report seen by the Guardian features details redolent of Russian intelligence work, diplomatic sources say. The thumbnail sketch of Trump’s personality is characteristic of Kremlin spy agency analysis, which places great emphasis on building up a profile of individuals using both real and cod psychology.

    Moscow would gain most from a Republican victory, the paper states. This could lead to a “social explosion” that would in turn weaken the US president, it says. There were international benefits from a Trump win, it stresses. Putin would be able in clandestine fashion to dominate any US-Russia bilateral talks, to deconstruct the White House’s negotiating position, and to pursue bold foreign policy initiatives on Russia’s behalf, it says.
    Andrei Soldatov, an expert on Russia’s spy agencies and author of The Red Web, said the leaked material “reflects reality”. “It’s consistent with the procedures of the security services and the security council,” he said. “Decisions are always made like that, with advisers providing information to the president and a chain of command.”

    He added: “The Kremlin micromanages most of these operations. Putin has made it clear to his spies since at least 2015 that nothing can be done independently from him. There is no room for independent action.”
    from The Guardian
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    The scope of money laundering by Russian organized crime, which Putin has consolidated power over, is mind-boggling. But it does explain much of the 'blind-eye' syndrome going on here in America. If Trump's laundering is exposed, so is the rest. There seem to be many folks in power who don't want that inconvenient truth uncovered. They'll lose their own laundromats.

    The Moscow Project details much of this. They were founded on the belief of direct collusion with Russia and they've been doing a great deal of research.

    Fiona Hill wrote about Putin and Russia back in 2013. No wonder Trump attacked her in the media. He has demonstrated his vengeful nature numerous times now.

    There's an extensive article from the New Republic.

    Sarah Kendzior has written about this and more.


    There's so much more, including what hasn't been reported yet.

    I don't get the denial. This isn't a football game. We're not talking about sports teams.

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    Folks have heard of Ivin Ilyin, I presume.


    Professor Timothy Snyder gives a crash course in three pillars of Ilyin's philosophy of fascism and explains why this worldview is so appealing to Putin: it defines freedom as knowing your set place in society, asserts that democracy is a ritual and not a reality, and maintains that there are no facts in the world—Russian nationalism is the only truth.

    Perhaps the most fascinating part of this is how new technology—like Facebook—is turning old fascism into political warfare. "The fundamental way that Russia works in American politics is by transmitting the idea that’s nothing is real... What the fascist ideas do with the new technology is they drive [Americans] into a situation where we think the real stakes of politics are all emotional and all about enemies—usually enemies at home,"

    Russia meddled in the 2016 U.S. election in such a way that Americans couldn't see where the trouble was coming from. "A lot of us are still having a lot of trouble seeing what was happening.

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    At this joint event with Intelligence Squared Germany, Yale historian Timothy Snyder addressed the dangers to democracy from deliberate manipulation of the media and the spread of disinformation by authoritarian governments and their supporters. Snyder talked about the growing threats to democratic systems in Europe and the United States, including Russian interference in the 2016 US elections and manipulation of the media during the invasion of Ukraine. In particular, he discussed how authoritarian leaders use language to delegitimize opposition. And crucially, how citizens can resist.


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