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    Deep State

    We talk about it a lot. Many like to focus on the media. It is but one leg of the centipede.


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    Col. L Fletcher Prouty

    He wrote an expose called The Secret Team which was published and out in bookstores and then bought up and disappeared including from the Library of Congress. (I haven't personally researched this) There is an updated version now available as an ebook.

    These are some interviews from 1989.

    The first is much longer than the others. The last is only 23 min. There appears to be overlap in the second and third, they start with the same audio, but I haven't listened in entirety yet.

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    Peter Dale Scott

    Dark Journalist has interviewed this man a few times.

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    Kathy just posted another video w/Mr. Scott. At around 9:15 he talks about how the state works. "Organized crime fits into the whole structure of how this country is governed."

    Whole structure. Not just one clan or family.

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    Why The Term 'Deep State' Speaks To Conspiracy Theorists (Quotes are missing in action)



    The citizens of democracies have always been suspicious about concentrations of unelected power. In the late days of the Roman Republic, Cicero denounced the triumvirate who had usurped the role of the Senate as the imperium in imperio, or the government within the government. Nowadays, the alleged usurpers go by more pedestrian names: the invisible government, the hidden government, the shadow government.

    Those names often reflect plausible concerns, sometimes about the lobbyists and business interests who shape regulations and policies, sometimes about the career civil servants who seem to care mostly about protecting their bureaucratic turf.

    But the allegations can also tip over into the convoluted narratives of conspiracy theory, where people are covering bulletin boards with pins and string to show how everything's secretly connected to everything else.

    The "deep state" story conforms to the intricate grammar of those conspiracy narratives. The term was marginal in American politics until it was picked up by Breitbart News in 2016 and quickly adopted by the president and his allies. The president has been appending it to his tweets as a kind of mantra: "Where is the DNC Server, and why didn't the FBI take possession of it? Deep State?"

    It's an elastic label — depending on the occasion, it can encompass the Justice Department, the intelligence communities, the FISA courts, the Democrats and the media. In short, it's a cabal of unelected leftist officials lodged deep in the government who are conspiring to thwart the administration's policies, discredit its supporters and ultimately even overturn Trump's election.

    It's gotten to the point where some of the president's defenders are describing the Russia investigation as an attempt to launch a "soft coup." That's not a phrase we're used to hearing in American political discourse. But then there's something alien about the phrase "deep state" itself. Until recently, it was chiefly used for developing countries like Turkey and Pakistan, where the government answers to "shadowy elites" in the military and intelligence services — and where coups and purges are routine occurrences.

    Granted, not many people who talk about the "deep state" are aware of that origin. But there's a trace of those dark connotations in the very decision to talk about the "state" rather than the government. It's a marked choice of words.

    In America, what usually comes to mind when you say "state" is the political units that make up the "United States," like Alabama or Wyoming. Apart from a few locutions like "church and state" or "state secrets," we don't often talk about "the state" the way other nations do — to refer to our central government or to the country as a whole.

    And as William Safire noted in his Political Dictionary, when Americans do use "the state" that way, the word is freighted with totalitarian connotations. He pointed to phrases like "garrison state" and "police state." And you can add "state terrorism," "surveillance state" and above all "enemy of the state," a label that exists only in countries that make political opposition a criminal offense.

    Liberal critics of Fox News take advantage of those connotations when they describe the network as "state television." The phrase brings to mind the media that serve as mouthpieces for autocratic regimes in China and Russia — not the government-run networks in New Zealand or France.

    And conservatives rely on those same connotations to add a malign note to the epithets they use to denounce the overreach of government programs. Safire's Political Dictionary describes "welfare state" as an "attack phrase" that was synonymous with "creeping socialism." The American right borrowed "the nanny state" from British Conservatives during the Thatcher years, and "the regulatory state" was added a decade later.

    When "the state" takes on that totalitarian color, it becomes a monolith that expands to fill every corner of society. That's the very definition of totalitarianism: As Mussolini put it, "Everything within the state, nothing outside the state, nothing against the state."

    When conservatives condemn the evils of "statism" rather than of "big government," they tend to focus on the way the state infiltrates everyday life — the double yellow lines that forbid passing on empty rural blacktops or a ban on unpasteurized cheeses.

    ... the specter of the 'deep state' is chilling precisely because it seems to be so capable. Hidden from view, it orchestrates complex schemes across a half-dozen agencies, buries incriminating documents, compromises inconvenient opponents with spurious allegations.

    It's that suggestion of ruthless efficiency that makes "the deep state" sound more ominous than a name like "the invisible government." We think of a government as a collection of people, with all their foibles and frailties. Recall the sarcastic quip that Ronald Reagan made famous: "The nine most terrifying words in the English language are 'I'm from the government and I'm here to help.'" That's what the phrase "government bureaucrats" typically brings to mind — meddlesome bunglers who think they know our interests better than we do.

    Whereas the specter of the "deep state" is chilling precisely because it seems to be so capable. Hidden from view, it orchestrates complex schemes across a half-dozen agencies, buries incriminating documents, compromises inconvenient opponents with spurious allegations.

    The government and the state. Those are the twin bogeys of conservative rhetoric: the hapless functionaries who can never get their act together, the conniving ideologues who can. What's not clear is where the notion of a public servant fits in.
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    America has a very serious problem. The below post is an 'enlightened' exposition of 'truth'. Does anyone see the parallel to the 'Nancy Pelosi' deception where apparently millions swallow it...Paint it anyway one likes but this is indicative of mass delusion and stupidity...This is NOT normal ...This is very very serious, indeed.

    From Zerohedge:

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    Trump Orders FBI, CIA To "Fully Cooperate" With Barr; Grants "Full And Complete Authority To Declassify"

    President Trump on Thursday announced that he has directed the US intelligence community to "quickly and fully cooperate with the Attorney General's investigation into surveillance activities during the 2016 Presidential election," adding that Attorney General William Barr has been given "complete authority to declassify information pertaining to this investigation.
    ....during the 2016 Presidential election. The Attorney General has also been delegated full and complete authority to declassify information pertaining to this investigation, in accordance with the long-established standards for handling classified information....
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 24, 2019
    In a third tweet, Trump added that "Today’s action will help ensure that all Americans learn the truth about the events that occurred."
    ....Today’s action will help ensure that all Americans learn the truth about the events that occurred, and the actions that were taken, during the last Presidential election and will restore confidence in our public institutions.” @PressSec
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 24, 2019
    Here's the @PressSec statement on the @POTUS memo to the intelligence agency heads. pic.twitter.com/83u2rlu25C
    — Steve Herman (@W7VOA) May 24, 2019
    The pending declassifications were announced on Tuesday night by The Hill's John Solomon and Fox News's Sean Hannity, whose inside sources told them of the wide swath of information about to hit.

    Among the documents slated for release, according to their sources, will be the so-called "Bucket Five" - documents which were originally presented to the Gang of Eight in 2016, which included everything the FBI and DOJ used against Trump campaign aide Carter Page - including the FISA surveillance application and its underlying exculpatory intelligence documents which the FISA court may have never seen.

    my note: This was posted by an individual 'pretending' to be intelligentsia...I hear the brain surgeon Ben Carson is handing out oreo cookies to atone for not having a clue.
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    There is a common thread in the scifi trilogy 'Daybreak'. At some point the Daybreak effort becomes not about perpetrators but itself. Daybreak is a living concept that encompasses humanity within. And the humanity just 'reacts'. Are aliens at the root of it all? Is it demonic?

    Or is it as the evangelicals say (Tribes & one of the provisional governments) The Second Coming!?
    "We are one thought away from changing the world!"

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    Imo the ones at the very top, changed sides as such some time ago and are helping backspin now, they and many others are usually the ultimate gypsies, as in no home country for longer than two generations, or religion or party etc, no need for aliens but likely a slice of the pie maybe.

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    The initial reaction to this thread says it all.

    It's crickets unless the desired 'team' has the finger pointed squarely at it.

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    Sooner or later imo there had to be a middle, a change, consequeensies n kingdooms

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