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    Dear tarka the duck.

    ALL you have produced is written evidence that can easily be faked. Confessions were extracted from Nazis under torture after the war. If you had bothered to watch the video I posted earlier instead of ignoring it you would understand it was ALREADY explained. It is easy to produce a piece of paper in 1946 and re-date it 1943 with a false signature under torture. Rudolf Höss "wrote" entire book after the war while detained by the allies which was most certainly fake.

    I am a visual thinker. I use my WHOLE brain not just the right side that sees only the written word as a some type of gospel. I want physical evidence.


    Where is the physical evidence that gas chambers were used to exterminate millions of Jews. The physical evidence actually contradicts the written accounts.

    Where are the fingernail marks? Lack of fingernail marks on the walls is evidence nobody died in those rooms.

    You never explained how gas chambers cause bodies to shrivel up as the historical pictures show. If a person is gassed they do NOT shrivel up. The emaciation of the bodies is a tell tale symptom of typhoid.

    This debate is for people who have OPENED their 3rd eyes. If you have not opened your third eye then nothing I produce will be of value to you.



    Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

    In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.

    These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed. There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed. Not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning.



    Supposedly over 1 million people (3 million according to Rudolf Hoss) were killed in a facility that was only surrounded by a fence that couldn't pen in a chicken. The barracks had windows without bars! What kind of prison holds a million detainees without bars. You can see just how flimsy the fence is in this photo of the children who survived. Someone who wanted to escape could do so in seconds.







    The fence work at Belsen was even more of a joke.



    There were swimming pools at Auschwitz.



    Another liar exposed.



    The history books are wrong. You have been sold con job of war propaganda of the highest order.
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    Russia was very nicely on the propaganda side of the history makers post ww2 lies wise, a deal done somewhere.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aianawa View Post
    You both appear and evidence good research, do you know if the meme about Winston Churchill writing material proposing exactely the same message as some nazi material, as in doing away with those seen as draining society of energy, food, resources etc ?.
    Hello Aianawa

    I don't know where you're from, but in the UK, it’s well known that Churchill held the Edwardian/Victorian paternalistic view
    of the world that was common here at that time. He believed that there were racial hierarchies - along with the majority of the people
    of his 'class' - and his ideas send shivers down the spines of most us modern-day readers.

    But regardless of his views, there has never been state-sponsored eugenics programme in the UK. Despite the fact that Churchill thought the
    white Protestants were at the top of the pile, he did not - unlike Adolf Hitler - consider everyone else to be subhuman,
    and worthy of extinction. He did not - unlike Adolf Hitler - implement a systematic, industrialised extermination
    programme of those he deemed to be unworthy of life.
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    Yes they did many things , taking titles away from so many and entitlements cost him also.

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    @ Novusod

    I appreciate that your opinions make sense to you. That doesn’t make them either true or valid.

    I understand when you say you’re a visual learner. The person I love most in the world - my husband of 39 years -
    is an artist, so I have an understanding that way of being.

    But this is a discussion about a subject that requires a massive amount of study and analysis in order
    to form a reasonable and valid argument. History is a narrative, and is all about relationships and context -
    it’s not a random mix of unrelated events.

    It’s not about image macros and poster memes - those pictures that paint a thousand lies.
    It’s not about distortion, rumours and propaganda spread on social media, 4Chan, reddit, internet chat rooms…
    It’s about trying to uncover and understand the whole range of perspectives, based on facts and primary/secondary sources of evidence.

    I apologise in advance for the length of my upcoming posts, but as you persist in covering several topics in a random manner
    in each of your posts, I feel compelled to reply at length.

    If you are serious about the importance of open debate about the Holocaust, I’d like to suggest that you stick to one topic per post
    so that we can actually investigate in depth. That’s how debate works.

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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post

    ALL you have produced is written evidence that can easily be faked.

    Fakes and forgeries exist. False testimony exists.
    Neither of these disproves any of the events of the Holocaust.


    The formidable Deborah Lipstadt makes an important point about these allegedly forged documents:

    “Deniers claim that forgers created these and other documents — complete with complex internal reference markings, on typewriters that perfectly matched those used by the various German units said to have written the documents — and then planted thousands of these perfect forgeries in numerous different archival collections (in exactly the right file and in precisely the right sequence) all over Europe. Not only is such a scenario fantastically improbable, it fails to explain why these supposedly incredibly talented forgers did not succeed in producing the one piece of paper that deniers demand as 'proof' that genocide took place under the Third Reich — an order from Hitler authorising the destruction of the Jews".



    Were the 30 million documents in the archives at Bad Arolsen also faked?
    Who did all this forgery?
    When did they do it?
    Where did they do it?

    To suggest such an idea shows that you clearly have no understanding of the sheer volume of written documentation that is available.

    Here is a record of documentation relating to the carrying out of mass extermination - just from Auschwitz and Auschwitz-Birkenau:
    I’m obviously not posting this for you to read - I’m trying to give you an idea of the size of the task you are facing
    when you try to deny such well-documented events in history.



    Contemporary German documents

    • Letter of 14 July 1941 from the Topf engineer Paul Erdmann to the construction office Mauthausen on a cremation rate of 33 to 40 min per corpse “without overloading” the two-muffle oven [Mattogno, IFCDA, p. 406]
    • Report of 30 October 1941 from the construction office Auschwitz on "60 men can be cremated" in the Topf five three muffle ovens within one hour [Mattogno, IFCDA, p. 353]
    • List of constructions of 31 March 1942 on “5 horse stable barracks | special treatment” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 36]
    • Letter from central construction office Auschwitz to SS-WVHA of 9 June 1942 on “erection of 4 horse stable barracks for special treatment of the Jews" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 36]
    • List of barracks of 30 June 1942 on “effect barracks for special treatment 3 pieces” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 36]
    • Letter of construction office Auschwitz to construction office Stuthof on "an incineration takes about ½ hour according to the Topf company” in the three-muffle oven [Mattogno, IFCDA, p. 424]
    • Estimate of costs of 15 July 1942 on “4 barracks for special treatment of prisoners in Birkenau” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 27]
    • Explanatory report of 15 July 1942 on “5 barracks for special treatment of detainees” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 37]
    • List of barracks of 17 July 1942 on “Purpose: special treatment Type: 260/9 Needed: 5 Erected: 3 Still to erect: 2” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 37]
    • Memo of Fritz Ertl of 21 August 1942 on „bathing installations for special actions" [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 440]
    • Radio signal of 26 August 1942 on “material [Zyklon-B] for special treatment” [Death Books From Auschwitz: Remnants, Vol. I, p. 144]
    • Letter from Kurt Prüfer of 8 September 1942 on "the number of muffles [37 with a capacity of 1850 corpses per day] is not yet sufficient; we should deliver more ovens as quick as possible" [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 442]
    • Travel permit of Arthur Liebehenschel of 14 September 1942 on “5 trucks…for special actions” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 135]
    • Report from Fritz Sanders of 14 September 1942 on "stuffing the individual muffles with several corpses" [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 443]
    • Radio signal of 15 September 1942 on “experimental station for field ovens Aktion Reinhard” [Johannes Tuchel, Inspektion der Konzentrationslager 1938-1945, p. 176]
    • Report of 17 September 1942 on “inspection of special facility” in Chelmno and order for “a ball mill for substances” [Shmuel Krakowski, Das Todeslager Chełmno/Kulmhof: Der Beginn der"Endlösung", p. 120, English translation)
    • Speech of Oswald Pohl of 23 September 1942 on “special tasks, about which we do not have to speak words” [The Van Pelt report, VI Blueprints of the Genocide]
    • Order of 5 October 1942 on “doors for special t[reatment] of the Jews” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 48]
    • Letter from Karl Bischoff to SS-WVHA of 13 October 1942 on “due to the situation created by the special actions, the construction of the crematorium had to be begun immediately just this past July” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 62]
    • Patent draft from Fritz Sanders of 26 October 1942 on “continuously operating corpse cremation oven for mass use” [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 450]
    • List of construction projects of 28 October 1942 on "POW camp Auschwitz (carrying out the special treatment)" [Florian Freund et al., Der Bau des Vernichtungslagers Auschwitz-Birkenau]
    • Report from Karl Bischoff of 4 November 1942 on “special cellar” in crematorium 2 [Mattogno, ATCFS, volume 1, p. 81]
    • List of 15 November 1942 on “5 barracks for special treatment” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 37]
    • Memo from Fritz Wolter of 27 November 1942 on “special cellars” in crematorium 2 [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 180]
    • Assignement of barracks of 8 December 1942 on “Purpose: special treatment (old) Type: 260/9 Needed: 5 Erected: 5” in Birkenau [Mattogno, STIA, p. 37]
    • Report from the duty officer of 9 December 1942 on “6 prisoners escaped from special detail I” [Czech, Kalendarium, p. 355, back-up]
    • Report from Heinrich Kinna of 16 December 1942 on “imbeciles, idiots, cripples and sick people have to be removed from the camp within a short time by liquidiation to unburden the camp…Poles have to die of a natural death contrary to the measures applied on the Jews” [Czesław Madajczyk, Zamojszczyzna -* Sonderlaboratorium SS, p. 220 ff., see also Sterbebücher volume 1; image of the document taken from Mattogno's ASS]
    • Explanationary report from Karl Bischoff of 16 December 1942 on “the individual crematoriums and other special facilities” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 61]
    • Order of Rudolf Höss of 5 January 1943 on “the solution of the Jewish question in Auschwitz” [Czech, Kalendarium, p. 845]
    • Letter from Karl Bischoff of 13 January 1943 on “doors for crematorium I in the POW camp, ordered with letter dated Oct. 26, 1942 are urgently required for the carrying out of the special measures” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 91]
    • Letter from Eduard Wirths of 21 January 1943 on “undressing room” in crematorium 2 [Mattogno ATCOS, vol. 1, p. 72]
    • Letter from Karl Bischof to Hans Kammler of 27 January 1943 on “carrying out of the special action” in Birkenau [Mattogno, STIA, p. 131]
    • Memo from Heinrich Swoboda of 29 January 1943 on “cremation with simultaneous special treatment” in crematorium 2
    • Letter from Karl Bischoff of 29 January 1943 on “gassing cellar” in crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 432]
    • Report of Oswald Pohl of 6 February 1943 on ""realization of textile-salvage from the Jewish resettlement" [NO-5742, english]
    • Memo of Karl Bischoff of 10 February 1943 on "at special unit 1, three horse stable baracks" and "at special unit 2, three horse stable baracks" available "for the storage of personal effects" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 73]
    • Letter from Karl Bischoff to Rudolf Höß of 12 February 1943 on the “sixth crematorium…an open incineration chamber with the dimension 48.75 x 3.76 m” [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 450]
    • Memo from Fritz Sander of 17 February 1943 on “the gas cellar” in crematorium 2 [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 456, back-up 1st and* 2nd page]
    • Order of 13 February 1943 on “12 gas tight doors approx. 30/40” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 444]
    • Order of 15 February 1943 on “210 anchors for gas tight doors” for crematorium 4 [Pressac, Technique, p. 448]
    • Note from Josef Janisch of 15 February 1943 on “for undressing, a horse stable barrack has been erected infront of the cellar entrance” of crematorium 2 [Mattogno, ATCFS, vol. 1, p. 74]
    • Order of 19 February 1943 on “4 tight doors” for crematorium 4 [Pressac, Technique, p. 452]
    • Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 20 February 1943 on “the men were specially accommodated because of infirmity, the women because most of them were children” [Sterbebücher von Auschwitz, document 56, back-up]
    • List of materials of 24 February 1943 on “12 gas tight doors approx. 30/40” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 444]
    • Delivery note of 24 February 1943 on “fittings of 12 gas tight doors” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 443]
    • Work time sheet of 28 February 1943 on “fit gas tight windows” in crematorium 4 [Pressac, Technique, p. 445]
    • Work time sheet of 2 March 1943 on “concrete in gas chamber” in crematorium 4 [Pressac, Technique, p. 446]
    • Letter from Topf to central construction office Auschwitz of 2 March 1943 on “display devices for hydrogen cyanide residues” for crematorium 2 [Pressac, Die Krematorien von Auschwitz, p. 92]
    • Order of 5 March 1943 of “handle for gas door” for crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 433]
    • Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 5 March 1943 on “918 women and children sent to special treatment“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 109]
    • Telex from Heinrich Schwarz to SS-WVHA of 8 March 1943 on “151 men and 492 women and children were specially treated“ [Blumental, Dokumenty i materiały, volume 1, p. 110]
    • Letter from Karl Bischoff to Topf of 6 March 1943 on “preheating cellar 1” and “undressing room” in crematorium 2 and 3 [Pressac, Technique, p. 433]
    • Working time sheet from Heinrich Messing of 14 March 1943 on “undressing cellar 2” in crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 434]
    • Plan of Birkenau camp of 20 March 1943 indicating a barrack at crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 226, also p. 462]
    • Memo of 25 March 1943 on “hot air supply device for corpse cellar 1” in crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 230]
    • Order from the central construction office of 29 March 1943 on 4 “iron grilles” for windows 30 x 40 cm of crematoria 4 and 5 (i.e. the gas tight windows) [Mattogno, ATCFS, p. 169]
    • Duty testimonial for [Hans?] Kühnemann of 30 March 1943 on "the action 'resettlement of the Jews', where he supervised, collected and drove away the effects that accumulated at special detail 1 [So. Kdo. I] and crematorium 2" [Perz and Sandkühler, Auschwitz und die "Aktion Reinhard" 1942 - 45, p. 296]
    • Order from Karl Bischoff of 31 March 1943 on “3 gas tight doors” of crematorium 4 and 5 and “gas door 100/192 for corpse cellar 1…with double 8 mm glass and peephole” of crematorium 2 and 3* [Pressac, Technique, p. 436]
    • Transfer document of 31 March 1943 on “gas door” in crematorium 2 [Pressac, Technique, p. 437]
    • Transfer inventory of 31 March 1943 on “4 wire mesh slide in devices” and “wooden covers” in the crematorium 2 basement [Pressac, Technique, p. 430]
    • Order of 6 April 1943 on “24 anchor bolts for gas tight doors” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 454]
    • Work time sheet from Heinrich Messing of 13 April 1943 on “undressing cellar” in crematorium 3 [Pressac, Technique, p. 439]
    • Material list of 13 April 1943 on “extension of the aeration and deaeration device (warm air supply) of the crematorium II” [Rudolf Report, 2nd edition]
    • Order of 16 April 1943 on “iron for fittings for 5 gas doors” for crematorium 4 and 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 438]
    • Order of 16 April 1943 on “fitting for 1 gas door” for crematorium 3 [Pressac, Technique, p. 439]
    • Work time sheet of 16 April 1943 on “fit gas door” in crematorium 5 [Pressac, Technique, p. 454]
    • Letter from Karl Bischoff to Rudolf Höß of 17 April 1943 on "the horse stable barracks erected at special unit II and at crematorium III are urgently needed for troop accommodation...After the operation of special unit II has stopped and the corresponding quarters by Crematorium III are available as well, information is requested as to when the barracks can be dismantled" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 74]
    • Order from Rudolf Höß of 20 April 1943 on “2 Jews escaped from the Sonderkommando” [Standort- und Kommandanturbefehle, p. 251]
    • Order from the central construction office of 27 April 1943 on “12 pieces of window grids 50 x 70 cm” (i.e. for the gas tight windows) [Pressac, Technique, p. 441]
    • Report from Albert Franke-Gricksch of May 1943 on the extermination of Jews unfit for work in Auschwitz [Pressac, Technique, p. 239]
    • Memo of Karl Bischoff of 19 May 1943 on "two horse stable barracks from 'special action 1'" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 74]
    • Map of 2 June 1943 with a “prohibited area” near the Bunker 1 and 2 extermination sites [Pressac, Die Krematorien von Auschwitz, doc. 21, see also The prohibited area Birkenau]
    • Order from Glücks via Liebehenschel of 15 June 1943 on “special buildings” should be “located offside in accordance with their purpose and cannot be stared at by all sorts of people” [NO-1242]
    • Transfer inventory of 24th June 1943 on “14 showers” and “1 gas tight door” in crematorium 3 [Pressac, Technique , p. 430]
    • Report from Karl Bischoff to Hans Kammler of 28 June 1943 on “capacity of existing crematoria…in 24 h…4756 persons” [Schüle, Industrie und Holocaust, p. 460]
    • Order of Hans Aumeier of 6 August 1943 on "the performed work on the occasion of the special action" [Standort- und Kommandanturbefehle, p. 320]
    • List of female prisoners of 21 August 1943 (signed by Maria Mandel), who were “specially lodged” (abbreviated G.U. in German) [Sterbebücher von Auschwitz, document 32]
    • Letter from the central construction office to the camp administration of 24 December 1943 on "stores of the special actions" [Mattogno, STIA, p. 74]
    • Letter for Hans Kori to concentration camp Majdanek that the cremation time of his ovens can be halved to 30 min per corpse by employing multiple cremations [Mattogno, IFCDA, p. 422]
    • Proposal list of 9 February 1944 on "after finishing his daily tours, Sch[ramme] was used for the tours due to 'special tasks', Dylewski was "significantly involved in carrying out the 'special tasks' in the camp, and was there to be on duty at day and night"*
    • Duty notes from August Bielisch of 20 May [Leide, NS-Verbrecher und Staatssicherheit, p. 262], Gottfried Weisse of 24 May and Gerhard Appel of 25 May 1944 [Faschismus - Getto - Massenmord, p. 373]: "I will maintain unconditional secrecy during the measures to carry out the Jewish evacuation, and also vis-à-vis my comrades"
    • Telegram from Hans Kammler to the central construction office of 25 May 1944 on “for special action Hungary/program 3 horse stable barracks are immediately to be erected at the swerve bunkers” [Mattogno, STIA, p. 138]
    • Memo from Werner Jothann of 17 June 1944 on “camouflage of* the crematoria and security measures by erection of a second fence“ [Auschwitz 1940-1945, Volume 3 p. 183]
    • Labour force report of 28 July 1944 on "807 stokers" and "30 wood unloader" at the crematoria in Auschwitz-Birkenau [similar reports exist also for later dates, see here]
    • Escape report of 7 September(?) 1944 on “special detail (crematorium)” [website of the Auschwitz State Museum, back-up]
    • Strength reports of the female camp in Birkenau of October 1944 on "special treatment [abbreviated SB]" as loss of prisoners
    • 3 October 1944 [Hefte von Auschwitz 8, p. 115]*
    • 4 October 1944 [Deaths books of Auschwitz]
    • 6 October 1944 [Baum, Widerstand in Auschwitz, p. 28]*
    • 8 October 1944 [Kogon, Nationalsozialistische Massentötungen durch Giftgas, p. 223]
    • 15 October 1944 [Baum Widerstand in Auschwitz, p. 29]
    • Letter to Dachau camp administration of 25 October 1944 on "deportation of unfit Jews to Auschwitz" and "transport of invalids to Auschwitz" [back up here]
    • Letter to Dachau camp administration of 31 October 1944 on "transfer of 1020 sick and unfit prisoners to Auschwitz" [back up here]


    Contemporary testimonies of SS personnel and German military
    • Diary of SS doctor Johann Kremer between August - November 1942 on "special actions" and "Auschwitz the camp of extermination" [Auschwitz State Museum, KL Auschwitz seen by the SS]
    • Testimony of Heinrich Kittel (military commander), conversation with Hans Schäffer (lieutenant-general) of December 1944 (in British capture) on "[i]n Upper Silesia, they simply slaughtered the people systematically. They were gassed in a big hall" [Andrew Roberts, The Genocide Generals]


    Contemporary German photographs
    • central construction office photograph of crematorium 2 gas chamber with its gas introduction chimneys (enlargement, see also here for a discussion)
    • photograph of the Auschwitz identification service of Jews selected as unfit for work just in front of crematorium 5 site
    • photograph of the Auschwitz identification service of Jews selected as unfit for work in front of* crematorium 2 site*
    • photograph of the Auschwitz identification service of the seized shoes from Hungarian Jews and heavy smoke from crematorium 5 site in the background


    *Contemporary Sonderkommando photographs
    • photograph of women undressing within the area enclosed by a camouflage fence in front of crematorium 5 [close up from Teresa Swiebocka, Auschwitz: A History in Photographs, see here for a discussion of the photograph]
    • photographs (1, 2) of open air cremation behind crematorium 5 [see here and here for references and a discussion]


    Contemporary aerial photographs
    • Western Allied aerial photograph of 31 May 1944
    • Western Allied aerial photograph of 26 June 1944
    • German Luftwaffe photograph of 8 July 1944
    • Western Allied aerial photograph of 20 and 23 August 1944
    • Western Allied aerial photograph of 25 August 1944
    • Western Allied aerial photograph of 13 September 1944


    Contemporary Sonderkommando handwritings (see also The Contemporary Sonderkommando Handwritings on Mass Extermination in Auschwitz-Birkenau)
    • Chaim Herman, found in February 1945 [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 259 ff.]
    • Salmen Gradowski, found on 5 March 1945 at crematorium 2 [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 136 ff.], second manuscript found in summer 1945 [Gradowski, Au coeur de l'enfer]
    • Lejb Langfus, found in April 1945 at crematorium 3 [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 68 ff.]
    • Unkown author or Lejb Langfus, found in 1952 [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 177 ff.]
    • Salmen Lewenthal, found on 28 July 1961 [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 193 ff.]
    • Marcel Nadsari, found on 24 October 1980 at crematorium 3 [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 270 ff.]


    Contemporary prisoner's letters and reports

    • Secret letter of Polish prisoner Konrad Szweda of January 1942 on "the moaning of the gassed could be heared the whole night..." [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 270]* *
    • Secret letter of Polish prisoner Janusz Pogonowksi of 14 July 1942 on "318 Poles and 834 Jews were gassed at the neighbouring camp of Rajsko [means Birkenau] yesterday" [Piper, Illegale Briefe aus Auschwitz von Janusz Pogonowski, p. 17]
    • Secret letter of Stanislaw Klodzinski to Teresa Lasocka (Cracow) of 28 June 1943 on "in Rajsko [means Birkenau] 3000 people were sent into the gas the previous friday or thursday" [Czech, Kalendarium, p. 529]
    • Secret letter of Stanislaw Klodzinski to Teresa Lasocka (Cracow) of 30 August 1944 on "the gassing of Jews goes on. Transport from Lodz, Holland and Italy. The pits, in which the gassed were burnt, when the crematoria could not cope with them, are filled to remove the traces" [Czech, Kalendarium, p. 866]
    • Secret letter of Jozef Cyrankiewicz to Teresa Lasocka (Cracow) of 6 October 1944 on "the gassing does not end: 3000 inmates from Theresienstadt; 2500 from Auschwitz I, II and III; 6000 Hungarian Jews; 500 Jews from the ghetto Lodz; 400 prisoners from Buchenwald" [Czech, Kalendarium p. 897]
    • Diary entry of Renata Laqueur (prisoner of Bergen-Belsen) of 13 November 1944 on "I saw the burned in Auschwitz number on the arm of a woman, heard from gassings..." [Renata Laqueur, Bergen-Belsen Tagebuch 1944/45, cited from Keller, Konzentrationslager Bergen-Belsen, 1995, p. 116]
    • Testimony of Eleonore Hodys of 1944 for German SS prosecutors on "I shall have to be sent to Birkenau for gas"

    Contemporary reports of escaped Auschwitz prisoners

    • Report by Rudolf Vrba and Alfred Wetzlar, escaped in April 1944 [Swiebocka, London has been informed]
    • Report by Arnost Rosin and Czeslaw Mordowicz, escaped in May 1944 [Swiebocka, London has been informed]
    • Report by Ananij Silovich Pet'ko and Vladimir Jakovlevich Pegov, escaped in May 1944
    • Report by Jerzy Tabeau, escaped in November 1943 [Swiebocka, London has been informed]
    • Report of escaped Hungarian Jewess of summer 1944 [Gerlach, Das letzte Kapitel, p. 287 – 288]

    Contemporary Polish publications and reports

    • Polish exile government
    • 24 October 1941 on “850 Soviet officers and noncoms (POWs)…were killed by gas as a test of a new type of combat gas” [Obóz koncentracyjny Oświęcim w świetle akt delegatury rządu RP na kraj, quoted from Mattogno, ATFG, p. 31]
    • 15 November 1941 on “September 5-6 some 600 Soviet inmates, ‘Politruks’ of the army, and about 200 Poles were herded into the Bunker and, when the Bunker had been hermetically sealed, were poisoned with a gas and their corpses taken to the crematorium and burned” [Obóz…, quoted from Mattogno, ATFG, p. 31]*
    • 17 November 1941 on “September 5-6, 1941, some 600 Soviet civilian prisoners of war that had been taken there were herded into the Bunker at Oscwiecim with their arms and legs broken. Added to them were some 250 Poles. The openings of the Bunker were hermetically closed, and the inmates shut in were poisoned with gases” [Obóz…, quoted from Mattogno, ATFG, p. 31]*
    • 15 December 1941 on “in the concrete shelter 500 POWs have been poisoned by means of a combat gas” [Obóz…, quoted from Mattogno, ATFG, p. 32]*
    • 1 July 1942 ( the Polish Fortnightly Review) about the gassing of 700 *Russian POWs and 300 Poles in the night of 5 to 6 September 1941 [The Van Pelt Report, electronic edition, III Intimations]*
    • August 1943 (Obóz smierci by Natalia Zarembina) about the gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in Auschwitz main camp [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 33 f.]

    • Kraj (Polish underground state clandestine publication)
    • 15 July 1943 on “gas chambers in the concentration camps” and “smoke clouds from the crematoria of Majdanek, Auschwitz and Sobibor” [Klaus-Peter Friedrich, Der nationalsozialistische Judenmord in polnischen Augen Einstellungen in den polnischen Presse, p. 114]
    • 14 June 1944 about the murder of 100,000 Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz with gas chambers, body disposal in four crematoria and pyres, assisted by 2000 Jewish prisoners [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 116]
    • 26 June 1944 about 40 kg of gold obtained from “the murder of Jews in Auschwitz” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 116]
    • 9 September 1943 on “entire transports are sent into the gas, without any registration. The number of murdered exceeded 500,000…The new crematorium burns about 5000 persons every day, mostly Jews“ [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 151]
    • Biuletyn Informacyjny (Polish underground state)
    • 17 September 1942 on “gas chambers, in which 1000 Jews are murdered per day. The corpses are burnt in three crematoria” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 115]*
    • 8 October 1942 on „death camp“ Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 115]
    • 14 January 1943 about gassing of Jews and POWs in Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p.115]
    • 29 July 1943 on “thousands of bolshevist POWs and Jews from all over Europe died” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 115]*
    • *7 October 1943 about the gassing of prisoners on 1 - 3 August 1943 in Auschwitz, the killing of 470,000 Jews up to September 1943 and killing of Jews from Bedzin and Sosnowitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 115]
    • 29 Juni 1944 on the “monstrous murder of the Jews” in Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 116]

    • Dziennik Polski (political left)
    • 20 April 1943 on “murder factories” and the gassing of “more than 900,000 Jews” and daily average of murdered Jews of 9000 [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 176]*
    • *27 May 1943 about the murder of 8000 Greek Jews within one week and 76,721 deaths between mid June 1940 and 1 March 1943 excluding Jews [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 176]
    • 7 August 1943 on the gassing of 7500 Jews deported from Majdanek [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 176]
    • 11 September 1943 on “gas chambers in Auschwitz and Belzec” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 176]

    • WRN (political left)*
    • 4 December 1942 on “transports of Jews that are immediately liquidated - probably by gas” in Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 175]*
    • 18 December 1942 about deportations of Jews from Cracow to Auschwitz and their gassing within one day [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 175]*
    • 5 February 1943 on “mass murder” in Auschwitz and the “construction of two gas chambers for 1200 people each” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 176]*
    • 4 June 1943 on “unregistered transports that go into the gas immediately after arrival” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 176]
    • 13 August 1943 about the gassing of a 3000 people Jewish transports (except for 19) in mid August 1943 and on 20 June 1943 a small transport of Poles was gassed [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 177]
    • 30 December 1943 on the “continuous murder of Jews” in Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 177]
    • Robotnik w walce (political left)
    • 7 May 1944 about the gassing of Jews from Theresienstadt on 25 March 1944, the murdered had to write predated letters to their relatives [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 177]
    • 23 April 1944 on “1 Million persons from gassed Jewish transports” in the “death camp” Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 218]
    • Robotnik (political left)*
    • 15 November 1942 about gassings in Auschwitz since June 1941, gas chambers in Birkenau for gassing of Soviet POWs and Jews. 94,140 Jews were murdered [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 175]
    • Informator (political right)*
    • 7 June 1944 on “gas chambers” in the “death factory” Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 240]
    • Sanacja (authoritarian, nationalistic)*
    • 25 June 1943 on “Auschwitz - a mass grave of several hundred of thousands tortured, mistreated, murdered and burned martyr” [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 289] (note that Sanacja did not mention gas chambers in Auschwitz)
    • Prawda (catholic)*
    • 3 March 1943 about gassing of 20,000 Jews from Poland, 502,000 Jews from France, Belgium and the Netherlands [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 308]*
    • July 1943 about murder of ten thousands of unregistered Jews and Russian POWs in Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 309]
    • Narod (catholic)*
    • August - September 1943 about gas chambers in Treblinka, Belzec, Majdanek and Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 328]
    • Przez walke do zwyciestwa (peasant movement)*
    • 10 August 1942 about gassing of sick and emaciated prisoners in cellars [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 338]*
    • 10 October 1942 on a “special way of executing” Jews in Auschwitz and a new building for killing with gas [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 334]*
    • 20 October 1942 about operation of several gas chambers in Auschwitz to kill 3000 - 4000 people at the same time [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 334]
    • 20 October 1943 about the killing of 643,000 people in Auschwitz therof 95,000 Poles until 15 December 1942 [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 334]
    • Wies (peasant movement)*
    • *8 May 1943 about a daily cremation capacity of 3000 corpses of the crematorium in Auschwitz [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 352]
    • 1 March 1944 about gassing of 1.5 Million Jews in Birkenau [Friedrich, Judenmord, p. 335]


    Post-liberation testimonies of SS and German military personnel [eyewitness] (35)

    • Hans Aumeier (camp leader) [most likely eyewitness]
    • manuscript of July (?) 1945, Oslo (British investigators)
    • manuscript of 25 July 1945, Oslo
    • manuscript of 1945, Oslo*
    • Stefan Baretzki (block leader) [eyewitness], interrogation of 12 April 1960, Plaidt (West-German investigators), examinations of 20 January, 27 July and 1 October 1964, examination of 18 February and 3 May 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • Pery Broad (Political Department) [eyewitness]
    • Report of 13 July 1945 [KL Auschwitz seen by the SS]
    • Affidavit of 14 December 1945 [NI-11397]
    • Interrogation of 2 March 1946 [NI-11954]
    • Affidavit of 20 October 1947 [NI-11984]
    • Interrogation of 30 April and 1 May 1959, Braunschweig (West-German police) [Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • Interrogation of 21 December 1960, Frankfurt (West-German police)
    • Interrogation of 22 December 1960, Frankfurt (West-German investigators)
    • Interrogation of 7 und 8 Februar 1961, Düsseldorf (West-German investigators)
    • Examination of 13 Januar 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • Examination of 20 April 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Langbein, Der Auschwitz-Prozess, p. 539 ff.]
    • Richard Böck (SS motor pool) [eyewitness], interrogation of 2 November 1960, Günburg (West-German investigators), examination of 3 August 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • Adolf Eichmann (RSHA) [eyewitness], interview by Willem Sassen of 1957 (?) [Adler, Zeugnisse und Berichte, p. 203], manuscript of 6 September 1959 (preparation for defense at Israeli trial), interrogation of (?) by Avner Less (Israeli investigators)
    • Friedrich Entress (SS doctor) [eyewitness], affidavit of 29 January 1946 (on gassing of unfit prisoners in Auschwitz), affidavit of 14 April 1947, Landsberg [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 141] (on gassing at the Bunker extermination sites)
    • Josef Erber (Political Department) [eyewitness], interview of 12 July 1977 (by John Steiner and Günter Bierbrauer) [transcript was available online, accessed 8 June 2003; back up at HC forum], interview by Ebbo Demant in 1979 [Demant, Direkt von der Rampe weg..., p. 31 ff.], letter to Gerald Fleming of 14 September 1981 [Fleming, Endlösung, p. 204, quoted here] (on gassing of Jews in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Horst Fischer (SS doctor) [eyewitness], manuscript of 4, 7,18 and 25 September 1965, interrogation of 2 and 29 September 1965 [East-German investigators] [Dirks, Die Verbrechen der anderen] (on gassing of Jews selected as unfit for work in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Maximilian Grabner (head of political department) [eyewitness], interrogation of 1 and 26 September 1945 (Austrian police) [Mattogno, ACI; Mattogno, ATFG, p. 65; Mattogno, TBOA, p. 132 ff.], report of 17 September 1947 (Polish capture) [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 65] (on gassings in Block 11 and crematorium in the main camp and in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Oskar Groening (SS guard) [eyewitness], interview by the BBC [Rees, Auschwitz] (on gassing at Bunker extermination site in Birkenau)
    • Emil Hantl (medical orderly) [eyewitness], interrogation of 26 May 1961, Marktredwitz (West-German investigators), interrogation of 29 May 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), interrogation of 20 September 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 29 March 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in Birkenau)
    • Gerhard Hess [eyewitness], interrogation of 15 May 1962, Kehl am Rhein (West-German investigators), examination of 11 September 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassings in crematorium in main camp and in "large barracks" in Birkenau)
    • Franz Hofmann (camp leader) [eyewitness] (on gassing of sick inmates and Jews selected as unfit for work in the crematoria in Auschwitz-Birkenau)
    • Interrogations of 22 April 1959, Hechingen and of 3 March 1960, Rottenburg (West-German police)
    • Interrogations of 27 and 28 April and of 25 October 1961, Munich (West-German investigators)
    • Examinations of 17 January 1964, 23 March, 3 September and 3 May 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • Karl Hölblinger (SS motor pool) [eyewitness], interrogation of 24 May 1961, Vienna (Austrian authorities), examination of 3 July 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of unfit Jews at the Bunker site in Birkenau)
    • Rudolf Höß (Auschwitz commandant) [eyewitness]
    • Deposition of 14 March 1946 (British) [NO-1210]
    • Interrogation of 1 and 2 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators)
    • Interrogation of 3 and 4 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators)
    • Affidavit of 5 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators) [PS-3868]*
    • Interrogation of 8 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators)
    • Joint interrogation with Otto Moll of 16 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators)
    • Declaration of 24 April 1946, Nuremberg (prison psychologist Gustave Gilbert)**
    • Manuscripts of November 1946 “The final solution of the Jewish question in the concentration camp Auschwitz" and "The Reichsführer SS Heinrich Himmer" (Polish capture) [FitzGibbon, Commandant of Auschwitz]
    • Autobiographical notes of February 1947 (Polish capture)
(on gassing in Block 11 and crematorium in the main camp as well as at the Bunker extermination sites and in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Adam Hradil (SS motor pool) [eyewitness], interrogation of 13 August 1963 (West-German investigators) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone, p. 70] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Kurt Jurasek (medical department) [eyewitness], 6 July 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Oswald Kaduk (report leader) [eyewitness]
    • Interrogation of 21 July 1959, Berlin (West-German police?)
    • Interrogation of 1 and 4 September 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators)
    • Examinations of 22 June, 9 July, 28 August, 5 November 1964 and 4 March 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • television interview of 1979 by Ebbo Demant (Demant, Direkt von der Rampe weg..., p. 65) (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp and in Birkenau)
    • Josef Klehr (SS medical orderly) [eyewitness]
    • Interrogation of 17 September 1960, Braunschweig (West-German investigators)
    • Interrogation of 22 and 25 September 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators)
    • Examinations of 30 January, 12 June, 18 June, 18 September 1964 and 3 May 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Frankfurt Auschwitz trial DVD]
    • (on gassing of sick inmates and unfit Jews in crematorium in main camp and crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Fritz Klein (SS doctor) [eyewitness], affidavit of 1945 (British investigators) (on gassing in crematoria in Auschwitz)
    • Johann Paul Kremer (SS doctor) [eyewitness], interrogation of 18 August 1947, Cracow (Polish investigators) [KL Auschwitz seen by the SS], examination of 4 June 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassings of Jews in the Bunker in Birkenau)
    • Otto Moll (head of open air body disposal sites) [eyewitness], interrogation of 14 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators), joint-interrogation with Rudolf Höss of 16 April 1946, Nuremberg (US investigators) (gassing of Jews in Birkenau)
    • Konrad Morgen (SS investigator) [eyewitness], affidavit of 13 and 16 July 1946 (Allied investigators) [SS-65 and SS-67, Trial of the Major War Criminals Before the International Military Tribunal, Nuremberg, 14 November 1945-1 October 1946: Documents and other material in evidence, p. 551 ff. and p. 563 f.], examination of 8 August 1946, Nuremberg (Allied trial proceeding), examination of 8 March 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing of unfit Jews in crematorium in Birkenau)
    • Hans Münch (SS doctor) [eyewitness], examination of 3 and 5 March 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD], declaration of 27 January 1995, Auschwitz, letter of 28 February 1995, interview on 15 June 1995 by Germar Rudolf [Rudolf, Auschwitz-Kronzeuge] (on gassing of Jews in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Erich Mußfeldt (head of crematoria) [eyewitness], 8 September 1947 (Polish investigators) [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 142 - 143] (gassing at Bunker extermination site)
    • Anton Siebald (SS motor pool) [eyewitness], interrogations of 19 March 1962 and 15 July 1963 (West-German investigators), examination of 17 September 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing of Jews in Birkenau, apparently Bunker extermination site)
    • Hans Stark (Political Department) [eyewitness], interrogations of 23 and 24 April 1959, Cologne (West-German investigators), interrogation of 3 September 1962, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 16 January 1964 and 25 January 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing in Block 11 (Russian POWs) and crematorium (Jews) in main camp and gassings at Bunker extermination sites in Birkenau]
    • Henry Storch (SS pharmacy) [eyewitness], interrogation of 29 March 1961 (German authorities) [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 66] examination of 13 July 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing in Block 11 and crematorium in main camp)
    • Josef Thul (Luftwaffe sergeant) [eyewitness], interrogation of 29 March 1945 (US military) [Stephen Tyas, Allied Intelligence Agencies and the Holocaust: Information Acquired from German Prisoners of War] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Franz Tomaszewski (SS motor pool) [eyewitness], examination of 28 September 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] [gassing at Bunker extermination site]
    • Gerhard Wiebeck (SS investigator) [eyewitness], examination of 1 October 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing in crematorium in Birkenau)
    • Willy Wildermuth (SS motor pool) [eyewitness], examination of 17 September 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing of Jews at Bunker extermination sites in Birkenau)
    • Anton Wilhelmy (medical department) [eyewitness], examination of 21 January 1965 Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing in crematorium in main camp)
    • Martin Wilks (medical department) [eyewitness], examination of 17 September 1965 Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (gassing of Russian POWs in crematorium in main camp and of Jews in Birkenau]
    • Eduard Wirths (SS doctor) [most likely eyewitness], manuscript of July (?) 1945 [Völklein, Wirths, p. 38], interrogation of 20 July 1945 in Hamburg (West-German police) [Völklein, Wirths, p. 59], interrogation of 15 September 1945 (British investigators) [Beischl, SS-Standortarzt, p. 227]




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    I found this on Minds.com and had never saw this data before. I like data because it is left for someone else to interpret it. Not to mention, a world almanac entry should be easy to cross-check for anyone who has the energy to do so.
    Posted only because it does seem to be at odds with some claims. I do not post it to make any point at all.

    According to the World Almanac the world population of Jews increased from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000 between 1933 and 1948.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    I found this on Minds.com and had never saw this data before.

    Research “World Almanac Gambit “ for the answer to your query.
    The explanation is very simple - and surprisingly mundane.

    @ Novusod

    Here's the rest of that list - would you seriously still contend that all this was faked?


    Post-liberation testimonies of civilians [eyewitness] (2)

    • Kurt Prüfer (Topf engineer) [eyewitness], interrogations of 5 and 19 March 1946, 11, 13, 15, 21, 25 (joint interrogation with Gustav Braun) February and 4, 9, 13 March 1948 (Soviet intelligence) [Jürgen Graf, Die sowjetische Befragung der Topf-Ingenieure]
    • Karl Schultze (Topf engineer) [eyewitness], interrogations of 4, 14, 20 March 1946 and 18 March 1948 (Soviet intelligence) [Graf, Die sowjetische Befragung der Topf-Ingenieure]


    Post-liberation testimonies of Sonderkommando prisoners [eyewitness] (29)

    • Daniel Bennahmias (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], account published as book in 1993 [Fromer, The Holocaust Odyssey of Daniel Bennahmias, quoted in Van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz, p. 193]
    • Maurice Benroubi (Sonderkommando, 1942) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], testimony and interview by Jean-Claude Pressac (80s?) [Pressac, Technique, p. 162]**
    • Milton Buki (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], deposition of 7 January 1946, Vienna (Austrian police) [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 118], account (exact date unknown, shortly after the war) [read out at the Auschwitz trial, 14 January 1965], examination of 14 January 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD], declaration of 15 December 1980, Jerusalem [Pressac, Technique, p. 163] (on Bunker extermination sites and crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Charles Bendel (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], examination of 1 October 1945, Lüneburg (British military court) [Belsen trial], examination of 2 March 1946, Hamburg (British miliary court) [Tesch trial, NI-11953], account of 1946, Paris [Témoignage sur Auschwitz, p. 159 ff.] (on gassing in the crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Shaul Chazan (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by Israeli historian Gideon Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 257 ff.]
    • Leon Cohen (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by Israeli historian Gideon Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 286 ff.]
    • Shlomo Dragon (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interrogation of 26 February 1945 (Soviet military investigators) [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 71], interrogation of 10 and 11 May 1945 (Polish investigators) [Pressac, Technique, p. 171, also Mattogno, TBOA, p. 73], examination of 1 March 1972, Vienna (Austrian trial proceeding) [Pressac, Technique, p. 172], joint interview with Abraham Dragon of 1993 (by Israeli historian Gideo Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 122 ff.] (on gassings at the Bunker extermination sites and in the crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Abraham Dragon (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], joint interview with Shlomo Dragon of 1993 (by Israeli historian Gideo Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 122 ff.]
    • Eliezer Eisenschmidt (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by Israeli historian Gideon Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 215 ff.]
    • Dario Gabai (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by the BBC) [Rees, Auschwitz] (on gassing in Birkenau)*
    • Ya'akov Gabai (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by Israeli historian Gideon Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 181 ff.]
    • Samuel Hejblum (Sonderkommando, 1942) [eyewitness], interview of 17 December 2000 (by Barbara Siebert) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone, p. 81] (on gassing at Bunker extermination site in Birkenau)
    • Stanislaw Jankowski (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interrogation of 16 April 1945, Cracow (Polish investigators) [Inmitten des grauenvollen Verbrechens, p. 25 ff.], declaration of 29 September 1980, Paris (before French notary) [Pressac, Technique, p. 124] (on gassing at crematorium in main camp, Bunker extermination sites and crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Morris Kesselman
    • Andre Lettich (Sonderkommando until March 1943) [eyewitness], account of 1946 [Lettich, Trente-quatre mois dans les Camps de Concentration, see also Mattogno, TBOA, p. 97 and Kogon, Massentötungen, p. 210]
    • Gabriel Malinski
    • Henryk Mandelbaum (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], account published as book [Poludniak, Sonder: An Interview with Sonderkommando Member Henryk Mandelbaum]*
    • Filip Müller (Sonderkommando), examination of December 1947, Cracow (Polish trial proceeding) [Mattogno, ACI, p. 33 ff.], account of (date?) [Kraus & Kulka, Todesfabrik], interrogation of 2 December 1963, Prague (Czech authorities) [read out at the Frankfurt Auschwitz trial on 5 October 1964], examination of 5 and 8 October 1965, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] [Auschwitz trial], account of 1979 [Müller, Sonderbehandlung], letter of 24 January 1980 [Lewis Brandon, Journal of Historical Review, vol. 1, issue 3], interview of [date?] (by Claude Lanzmann) (on gassings in crematorium in main camp, Bunker extermination site and crematoria in Birkenau)
    • David Nencel (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview of 15 July 1995 (by Andreas Kilian) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone, p. 138, p. 155, see also Petropoulos, Gray Zones, p. 62]*
    • Miklos Nyiszli (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], deposition of 28 July 1945 (Hungarian authorities) [Charles Provan, No holes? No holocaust?], account of 1946 published as book [Nyiszli, Mengele boncolóorvosa voltam az auschwitzi krematóriumban, english: Nyiszli, Auschwitz: a doctors eyewitness account, see also Pressac, Technique, p. 473], account of early 1947 (published in Hungarian newspaper Vilag) [Charles Provan, New Light on Dr. Miklos Nyiszli and His Auschwitz Book], affidavit of 8 October 1947, Nuremberg (Allied war crime investigators) [Charles Provan, No holes? No holocaust?] (on gassings in the crematoria in Birkenau)
    • David Olere (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness]
    • 1945 drawing of Bunker (possibly number 1) extermination site
    • drawing of crematorium 3 furnace hall
    • 1946 drawing of gas chamber entrance and corpse removal
    • 1946 drawing of undressing basement of crematorium 3
    • 1945 drawing of bone crushing [at crematorium ?]
    • drawing of crematorium 3 overview
    • drawing of crematorium 3 gas chamber (side view)
    • drawing of crematorium 3 gas chamber (side view)
    • drawing of unloading of victims at crematorium 3
    • drawing of victims marching into crematorium 3
    • drawing of shooting at open air burning pit at crematorium 5
    • Dov Paisikovic (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], deposition of 17 October 1963, Vienna [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 106], deposition of 10 August 1964 (for Auschwitz State Museum) [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 107], examination of 8 October 1964 (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing at the Bunker 2 extermination site and in the crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Lemko Pliszko (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview 16 December 2003 (by Israeli historian Gideon Greif) [Petropoulos, Gray Zones, p. 50]
    • Jehosua Rosenblum
    • Josef Sackar (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by Israeli historian Gideon Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 87 ff.]
    • Ya'acov Silberberg (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interrogation of 2 June 1971 (West-German investigators) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone] interview of 1985 (by Karl Fruchtmann) [Karl Fruchtmann, Ein einfacher Mensch], interview of (1998?) (by Gideon Greif) [Greif, We wept without tears, p. 310 ff.]
    • Henryk Tauber (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interrogation of 27 and 28 February 1945 (Soviet investigators) [Mattogno, ATCFS, p. 375 ff.], deposition of 1945 (Jewish historical commission) [Borwicz, Dokumenty zbrodni imęczeństwa, cited in Mattogno, ATCFS, p. 374 ff.], interrogation of 24 May 1945 (Polish investigators) [Pressac, Technique, p. 482]
    • Morris Venezia (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], interview (by the BBC) [Rees, Auschwitz] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Shlomo Venezia (Sonderkommando) [eyewitness], account published as book in 2007 [Shlomo Venezia, Inside the Gas chambers]


    * Post-liberation testimonies of prisoners (except Sonderkommando) [eyewitness] (47)

    • Yehuda Bacon (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 1961 (Israeli trial proceeding), examination of 30 October 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD], interview by West German Broadcasting of (60s?) [Adler, Zeugnisse und Berichte, p. 123] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)*
    • Ludwik Banach (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber and gassed corpses], deposition of 18 July 1947 (Polish investigators) [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 45] (on gassing of Russian POWs in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Ada Bimko (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site], affidavit of (?), examination of 21 September 1945, Lüneburg (British trial proceeding) (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Karl Bracht (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], interrogation of 15 October 1959, Meschede (West-German investigators) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Franciszek Brol (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], interrogation of 28 September 1964, Gliwice (Polish authorities)*[Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of Russian POWs in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Ota Fabian (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber and gassed corpses], examination of 6 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp)
    • Moshe Garbarz (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness], account published as book in 1983 [Garbarz, Un survivant; quoted in Pressac, Technique, p. 163] (on gassing at Bunker extermination site)
    • Aleksander Germanski (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 264] (on gassing in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Rudolf Gibian (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber and gassed corpses], examination of 13 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing at Bunker 2 extermination site and in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Bogdan Glinski (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber and gassed corpses], deposition of 17 September 1947 (Polish investigators) [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 46] (on gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Stanislaw Glowa (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], examination of 11 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Czeslaw Glowacki (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], examination of 13 April 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Block 11 and crematorium in the main camp)
    • Ignacy Golik (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 8 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in the main camp and Birkenau)
    • Franciszek Gulba (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site], account of 2 December 1970 [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 110], letter of 30 December 1974 to International Auschwitz Committee in* Warsaw [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 112] (on gassing at Bunker extermination site)*
    • Kazimierz Halgas (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 265, 270, 272] (on mass extermination of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)**
    • Wieslaw Kielar (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 273] (on gassing of sick inmates and Russian POWs in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Michal Kula (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], deposition of 11 June 1945 (Polish investigators) [also Mattogno, ATFG, p. 42], declaration of 15 March 1947, Cracow (Polish investigators) [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 43], examination of 1947 [Polish trial proceeding] (on gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Tadeusz Kurant (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 274] (on gassing in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Hermann Langbein (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], account published as book in 1949 [Langbein, Die Stärkeren], examination of 6 March 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp and gassing in Birkenau)
    • Karl Lill (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], letter of 9 August 1962, examination of 18 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp and in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Zdzislaw Mikolajski (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 25 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp and in Birkenau)*
    • Bartosz Oziemkowski (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], examination of 18 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Jozef Paczynski (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness], interview by the BBC [Rees, Auschwitz] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp)
    • Roger Pelisson (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site], letter of 20 August 1947, Paris [Baum, Widerstand in Auschwitz, p. 60] (on gassing in crematorium 4 and 5 in Birkenau)
    • Walter Petzold (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], report of 17 May 1945, examination of 26 March 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Henryk Porebski (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 18 December 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing at the Bunker extermination sites and in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Otto Pressburger (Jewish prisoner, grave digger detail) [eyewitness of gassed corpses], interview by the BBC [Ress, Auschwitz] (on gassing of Jews at the Bunker extermination site)
    • Alexander Princz (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 12 and 19 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Fritz Adolf Putzker (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 4 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Edward Pys (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], interrogation of 23 October 1959, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 12 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block and gassing in crematorium in the main camp as well as gassing in Birkenau)*
    • Adolf Rögner (German criminal prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site], account of (? after March 1946) [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 101] (on gassing of Jews at Bunker extermination site and crematoria in Birkenau)*
    • Arnost Rosin (Jewish prisoner, grave digger detail) [eyewitness], account of (?) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone, p. 78] (on gassing at Bunker extermination site)
    • Stanislaw Rospenk (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber loading], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Zenon Rozanski (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber and gassed corpses], account published as book in 1948 [Rozanski, Mützen ab, p. 40 ff., quoted in Mattogno, ATFG, p. 47] (on gassing of Russian POWs and sick inmates in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Maurice Schellekes (Jewish prisoner, grave digger detail) [eyewitness], deposition of 1981, Haifa [Leo Baeck Institute, Memoir Collection, ME 1001. MM II 23], account of (?) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone, p. 79] (on gassing at Bunker extermination sites in Birkenau)*
    • Karol Sienek (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 274] (on gassing in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Jan Sikorski (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], interrogation of 16 May 1960, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 19 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp and gassing in Birkenau)*
    • Stanislaw Slizowski (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in the main camp)
    • Edgar Steinmetz (prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site], affidavit of (?) [Baum, Widerstand in Auschwitz, p. 62] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Herbert Tischler (Political prisoner) [eyewitness], interrogation of 25 September 1962, Vienna (Austrian authorities/West-German investigators) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Wladyslaw Tondos (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 274] (on gassing of sick inmates and Russian POWs in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Josef Vacek (Political prisoner) [eyewitness of gas chamber and gassed corpses], interrogation of 8 May 1945 (US investigators?) [Jäckel, Der Mord an den Juden im Zweiten Weltkrieg, p. 167, quoted in Mattogno, ATFG, p. 37] (on gassing of Russian POWs in Block 11 in the Auschwitz main camp)
    • Rudolf Vrba (Jewish prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of 30 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Jozef Weber (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 274] (on gassing in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Wilhelm Wohlfahrt (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness], examination of March 1947 (Polish trial proceeding) [Mattogno, TBOA, p. 103] (on gassing at Bunker extermination sites)
    • Jan Wolny (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], letter to Klodzinski of (?) [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 265, 272] (on gassing of sick inmates and Russian POWs in Block 11 in the main camp)
    • Adam Zacharski (Polish political prisoner) [eyewitness of gassing site and gassed corpses], letter to Stanislaw Klodzinski of (?) [Klodzinski, Die erste Vergasung von Häftlingen…, in Die Auschwitz-Hefte, p. 274] (on gassing of Russian POWs in Block 11 in the main camp)

    *
    *Post-liberation testimonies of SS personnel [hearsay] (46)


    • Richard Baer (commandant of Auschwitz) [hearsay], interrogation of 22 December 1960, Frankfurt (West-German investigators) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Heinrich Bischoff (block leader) [hearsay], interrogation of 24 November 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators)*[Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Helmut Bartsch (SS investigator) [hearsay], examination of 13 March 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding)*[Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Charlotte Bartsch (women's auxialiary unit) [hearsay], examination of 3 August 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Wilhelm Boger (Political Department) [claimed hearsay, but eyewitness acc. to Pery Broad, interrogation of 1 May 1959], report of 10 July 1945, Ludwigsburg (US investigators), interrogation of 9 October 1958, Stuttgart (West-German police), interrogation of 13 April 1959, Ludwigsburg (West-German investigators), interrogation of 30 May 1961, Frankfurt [West-German police], examination of 27 November 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Arthur Breitwieser (desinfection detail, effects chamber) [claimed hearsay], interrogation of 9 June 1961, Bad Godesberg (West-German investigators), examination of 24 January 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Karl Broch (Political Department) [eyewitness], interrogation of 19 December 1963, Düsseldorf (West-German investigators), examination of 2 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp)
    • Wilhelm Burger (head of Auschwitz administration) [hearsay, from Höß], interrogation of 17 April 1947 (on gassing of people in Auschwitz)
    • Victor Capesius (SS doctor) [claimed hearsay, but likely eyewitness due to his position], interrogation of 4 December 1959, Göppingen (West-German investigators), interrogation of 7 December 1959, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 27 January 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Klaus Dylewski (Political Deparment) [claimed hearsay], interrogation of 25 April 1959, Krefeld (West-German investigators), interrogation of 9 February 1961, Kassel-Wehlheiden (West-German police)*[Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing Birkenau)
    • Fritz Ertl (central construction office) [apparently claimed hearsay], examination of 21 January 1972, Vienna (Austrian trial proceeding) [Van Pelt, The Case for Auschwitz, p. 302] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Willy Frank (SS doctor) [claimed hearsay, but likely witness due to his position], interrogation of 18 September 1959, Ludwigsburg (West-German police), interrogations of 15 January 1960 and 13 October 1961, Stuttgart (West-German investigators), examination of 24 January and 2 October 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in Birkenau)
    • Fritz Gaar (SS motor pool) [hearsay, did not believe rumors], examination of 28 August 1964, Frankfurt [West-German trial proceeding] [Frankfurt Auschwitz trial] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Anton Glaser (SS motor pool) [claimed hearsay, probably eyewitness], examination of 11 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing Bunker extermination site)
    • Leopold Heger (SS motor pool) [hearsay], examination of 11 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Karl Höcker (adjutant) [claimed hearsay], interrogation of 30 January 1961, Lübbecke (West-German investigators), interrogation of 16 February 1962, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 10 January 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing Birkenau)
    • Franz Hössler (Protective Custody Leader) [claimed hearsay, but most likely eyewitness due to his position in the camp; also heavily incriminated by the war-time diary of SS doctor Johann Kremer], deposition of 17 May 1945 (British investigators) (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Josef Hofer (Political Department) [hearsay], examination of 4 December 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Hans Hoffmann (Political Department) [hearsay], examination of 11 December 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Ludwig Holze (SS motor pool) [hearsay], examination of 4 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Horst Huley (guard) [hearsay], examination of 11 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Karl Hykes (camp administration) [hearsay], examination of 22 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Karl Kahr (SS officer) [hearsay], interrogation of 19 September 1945, Landshut [Mattogno, ATFG, p. 68] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Oskar Kieselbach (guard) [hearsay], examination of 13 August 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • August Klehr (guard) [hearsay], examination of 28 January 1965, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Günther Kramer (guard) [hearsay], examination of 17 August 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Josef Kramer (Birkenau commandant) [claimed hearsay], examination of 8 October 1945 (British trial proceeding) (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Theodor Küper (SS motor pool) [hearsay], examination of 14 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Kurt Leischow (guard) [hearsay], interrogation of 14 March 1961, Hamburg (West-German investigators), examination of 17 July 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of Russian POWs in Block 11 and crematorium in the main camp)
    • Eduard Lorenz (SS motor pool) [unclear from cited extracts, possibly eyewitness], interrogation of 17 September 1964 (West-German investigators) [Friedler, Zeugen aus der Todeszone, p.70] (on gassing at Bunker extermination sites in Birkenau]
    • Franz Lucas (SS doctor) [claimed hearsay, but likely eyewitness due to his position], interrogation of 14 February 1962, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examinations of 27 January 1964, 11 March and 3 May 1965, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Birkenau)
    • Bodo von Maydell (German Soldier) [hearsay], account published as book in 1979 [Maydell, Im Banne des Tikkun] (gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Robert Mulka (adjudant) [claimed hearsay], interrogations of 8 November 1960, Hamburg and 11 September 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examinations of 9 January, 24 July and 6 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing at Bunker extermination site in Birkenau)
    • Gerhard Neubert (SS medical orderly) [hearsay], interrogation of 5 June 1962, Diepholz (West-German investigators), examination of 3 February 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Hans Nierzwicki (SS medical orderly) [hearsay], interrogation of 19 September 1960, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Friedrich Ontl (medical department) [hearsay], examination of 4 June 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Christian Pfauth (SS motor pool) [hearsay], examination of 14 September 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Helmut Pomreinke (SS motor pool) [hearsay], examination of 13 August 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Willi Schatz (SS doctor) [claimed hearsay, but likely eyewitness due to his position], interrogations 11 April 1961, Hannover and 2 November 1961, Frankfurt (West-German investigators), examination of 24 January 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematoria in Birkenau)
    • Herbert Scherpe (SS medical orderly) [hearsay], interrogation of 15 August 1961, Mannheim (West-German investigators), examination of 31 January 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp and in Birkenau)
    • Bruno Schlage (block leader) [hearsay], interrogations of 5 February and 22 March 1962, Bad Oeynhausen (West-German investigators) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in crematorium in the main camp)
    • Friedrich Otto Schlupper (camp administration) [hearsay], examination of 13 July 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing of Russian POWs in* crematorium in the main camp)
    • Ludwig Karl Schmidt [source of knowledge unclear, hearsay or witness], interrogation unknown date (West-German investigators) [Auschwitz trial DVD] (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Johann Schoberth (Political department) [hearsay], interrogation of 10 June 1960, Aufseß (West-German investigators), examination of 16 January 1964 [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing in Birkenau]
    • Johannes Thümmler (Commander of Security Police and SD, Kattowitz) [hearsay], examination of 2 November 1964, Frankfurt [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing and mass extermination in Auschwitz]
    • Jakob Wendel (guard) [hearsay], newspaper interview, Stuttgart [on gassing in Auschwitz]*
    • Dieter Wisliceny (RSHA) [hearsay, from Adolf Eichmann], examination of 3 January 1946, Nuremberg (Allied trial proceeding) (on gassing in crematoria in Auschwitz)


    Post-liberation testimonies of civilians [hearsay] (7)


    • Hildegard Bischoff (civilian; wife of Karl Bischoff, head of SS central construction office) [hearsay], examination of 24 July 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing in Auschwitz]
    • Günther Buch (civilian, acquaintance of Robert Mulka, Auschwitz adjutant) [hearsay], examination of 22 October 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing in Auschwitz]
    • Elise Heinisch-Utner (civilian; dental doctor in Auschwitz town) [hearsay], examination of 22 October 1964, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing in Auschwitz]
    • Rosina Kramer (civilian; wife of Birkenau commandant Josef Kramer) [hearsay], examination of 1945, Lüneburg (British investigators) (on gassing in Auschwitz)
    • Eugen Lazar (civilian; acquaintance of Stefan Baretzki, SS block leader in Birkenau), examination of 18 February 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing in Auschwitz]
    • Viktoria Ley (civilian; acquaintance of SS doctors Victor Capesius and Fritz Klein) [hearsay], examination of 15 January 1965, Frankfurt (West-German trial proceeding) [Auschwitz trial DVD] [on gassing in Auschwitz]
    • Fritz Sander (Topf engineer) [hearsay, from Topf engineer Kurt Prüfer], interrogation of 7 March 1946 (Soviet intelligence) [Jürgen Graf, Die sowjetische Befragung der Topf-Ingenieure] (on gassing in Auschwitz)



    On-site chemical and physical investigations

    • Forensic report by Jan Robel (Cracow Forensic Institute) of 25 December 1945 on qualitative determination of cyanide on sheet zinc ventilation grills assigned to the crematoria 2 or 3 by Polish investigating judge Jan Sehn
    • Chemical investigation of the gas chamber's ruins by Jan Markiewicz, Wojciech Gubala and Jerzy Labedz (Cracow Forensic Institute) and their quantitative determination of (non-Prussian Blue) cyanide residues in the gas chamber's walls [Markiewicz et al., A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps] (related Revisionist arguments are discussed by chemist Richard Green here)
    • Investigation of the ground in Birkenau by hole drilling and chemical analysis carried out by Hydrokop (Cracow) and determination of "[t]races of human ashes, bones, and hair" at 42 of 303 sites according to Polish historian Franciszek Piper [Piper, Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp, p. 179]
    • Investigation of the ruin of crematorium 2 in Birkenau by Harry Mazal, Daniel Keren and Jamie McCarthy and their finding of three openings in the roof that can be assigned as gas introduction openings [Mazal et al., The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau] (related Revisionist arguments are discussed here)

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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post

    Confessions were extracted from Nazis under torture after the war.
    In his memoire, Hoss writes of the beating he underwent by the British when he was first arrested - and the men who were involved
    in that beating openly admit to their actions:

    "During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it,
    because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear."


    You claim he was tortured: Why didn't he then go on to write about subsequent beatings/torture?
    Could it be that his memoirs were written voluntarily?

    Do you understand that Hoss's memoirs and testimony are not unique?
    There are dozens and dozens of accounts, diaries, reports, affidavits etc that corroborate his words. Here's just one example:

    SS commandant Dr Johann Paul Kremer was a doctor at Auschwitz from August 1942: he was involved in the medical experiments.
    In his diary, he describes the gassing process.

    Here is a translation of the whole diary
    https://www-tc.pbs.org/auschwitz/lea...reading2.3.pdf

    On 18th*July*1947, in*Cracow, he said:

    “Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the women's camp,
    who were generally known as 'Muslims'. I remember I once took part in the gassing
    of one of these groups of women.
    I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground.
    They were still clothed. As they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left
    in the undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.
    I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited them,
    as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to spare them their lives.
    However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.”


    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    If you had bothered to watch the video I posted earlier instead of ignoring it you would understand it was ALREADY explained.
    I apologise for not having listened to the recording you posted: I have researched Dennis Wise's work (and commented on it at length
    on other forums) and I am not prepared to spend any more of my time listening to a man who claims Germany invaded Poland in self defence.

    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    I want physical evidence.
    Documents are physical evidence.
    Photographs are physical evidence.
    Help me out here - I don’t understand what you’re asking for.

    Have you been to any of the camps?
    That would be your starting point.
    You don’t get more physical than that.

    Perhaps the following is what you're looking for:

    1) Professor Jan Markiewicz, Director of the Institute of Forensic Research in Kraków, carried out an analysis of the levels
    of cyanide in the delousing chambers, the gas chambers and control areas within Auschwitz. His work is
    published here:

    “A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content in the Walls of the Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz & Birkenau Concentration Camps"
    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/orgs/p...euchter.report

    These are his final remarks in the report:
    “The present study shows that in spite of the passage of a considerable period of time (over 45 years)
    in the walls of the facilities which once were in contact with hydrogen cyanide the vestigial amounts
    of the combinations of this constituent of Zyklon B have been preserved.
    This is also true of the ruins of the former gas chambers.
    The cyanide compounds occur in the building materials only locally, in the places where the conditions
    arose for their formation and persistence for such a long time."

    2) Paperwork regarding the ordering and delivery of quantities of Zyklon B by the Nazis
    3) Architects plans and blueprints for the building of the crematoria
    4) Documentation showing the ordering and delivery of building materials for the crematoria (research the engineering firm, Topf & Sons)
    5) Sonderkommando diaries, confessions of guards and other eye witness testimony
    6) Photographs
    7) For much, much more physical evidence, read Jean-Claude Pressac: "Auschwitz. Technique and Operation of the Gas Chambers. Beate Klarsfeld". 1989
    8) containers of Zyklon granules, abandoned clothing and footwear
    9) adjacent incineration chambers
    10) Nazi and survivor eyewitness testimonies

    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Where are the fingernail marks? Lack of fingernail marks on the walls is evidence nobody died in those rooms.
    Why are you so insistent that finger nails would make a mark on concrete?

    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    You never explained how gas chambers cause bodies to shrivel up as the historical pictures show. If a person is gassed they do NOT shrivel up. The emaciation of the bodies is a tell tale symptom of typhoid.
    When you say ’shrunken’ do you mean emaciated? Starved? People get like that when they have insufficient food.

    No one has ever disputed that there were several causes of death in the Nazi camps: starvation, shooting, disease,
    suicide, beatings, torture, exhaustion … and gassing.


    You seem to have a problem with a wooden door.
    How do you know that that photo is actually a door to one of the seven gas chambers at Auschwitz?
    If it is, why shouldn’t it be made of wood?
    Can gas permeate wood?
    As long as it’s sealed, it doesn’t matter what the door is made of.


    If you prefer metal, here’s a picture of a metal door from a gas chamber in Majdanek.



    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Fred A. Leuchter is America's leading specialist on the design and fabrication of execution equipment, including homicidal gas chambers. In 1988, Leuchter scraped samples from the alleged gas chamber walls in Auschwitz, Birkenau and Lublin. Cyanide residue would be clearly evident on all these walls if gassings did occur. To his astonishment, Leuchter found no significant cyanide traces in any one of these rooms.

    In 1991, the Polish government repeated these tests to disprove Leuchter's findings, but they as well found no evidence of any gassings ever occurring.

    These rooms have ordinary doors and windows which are not hermetically sealed. There are large gaps between the floors and doors. If the Germans had attempted to gas anyone in these rooms, they would have died themselves, as the gas would have leaked and contaminated the entire area. Also, no equipment exists to exhaust the air-gas mixture from these buildings. Nothing was made to introduce or distribute the gas throughout the chambers. There are no provisions to prevent condensation of gas on the walls, floors or ceilings. No exhaust stacks have ever existed. Not one body has ever been autopsied and found to have died of gas poisoning.
    The above is cut and pasted from biblebelievers, an extremist white supremacist church in Australia.

    Because, apparently, your research is only carried out on sites that espouse Holocaust denial, you don’t seem to realise
    that Leuchter as long been discredited.

    Leuchter is not an expert of anything: he has proven himself to be a liar and a fraud, and perjured himself in court (during the Zundel trial). .

    He admitted in court that he is not an engineer - despite having claimed to have been trained as one.
    He is not a chemist.
    He is not a forensic architect.
    He is not a toxicologist.
    He has no expertise in crematories.
    He made killing equipment for use in US prisons.
    He is therefore not capable of giving an opinion of any worth.

    I realise it’s not as exciting to plough through pages of words rather than be titillated by photo memes,
    but here is the transcript of Zundel’s trial. Leuchter’s testimony: the annihilation of his ‘research’ through cross
    examination starts on page 733.
    http://vho.org/aaargh/fran/livres3/KULA.pdf

    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Supposedly over 1 million people (3 million according to Rudolf Hoss) were killed in a facility that was only surrounded by a fence that couldn't pen in a chicken. You can see just how flimsy the fence is in this photo of the children who survived. Someone who wanted to escape could do so in seconds.
    The photos you have presented here are deliberately misleading.

    Camps in Nazi Germany were surrounded by electrically-charged barbed-wire fences: the shock
    was sufficient to kill a human. Have you not seen the photos of bodies trapped on the wire:
    many prisoners committed suicide by throwing themselves on the wire.

    In addition there were guard towers equipped with machine guns and automatic rifles - but your photos
    are carefully cropped in order to avoid showing these.

    And then there were the guard dogs: Auschwitz had its own SS dog unit.

    Here are some photographs of the kind of fences that actually surrounded the camps.





    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    What kind of prison holds a million detainees without bars.
    No camp held "a million detainees".

    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    There were swimming pools at Auschwitz.
    Yes, there’s a ‘pool’ at Auschwitz I. And?

    There was also:
    a brothel
    a cinema
    an orchestra
    a hospital (used to perform horrendous medical experiments on people, overseen by Mengele)
    a kindergarten (set up by Mengele to observe children)
    a theatre

    What is your point here?
    Are you honestly suggesting that the presence of a pool means that there was no plan of systematic murder?

    There is a film called “Swimming in Auschwitz”.
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0956313/




    And BTW, to repeatedly state that typhoid was a major cause of death in the camps is, quite simply, wrong.
    It proves, yet again, that you really haven't done much research into this subject at all, and that your opinions
    are all based on false assertions and propaganda.

    Typhus epidemics killed hundreds of thousands of prisoners in the camps - and it's a completely different disease.
    To fail to understand that simple fact is to completely misconstrue the significance of the pesticide, Zyklon B, which was used
    both to decontaminate, and to murder people on an industrial scale.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    I found this on Minds.com and had never saw this data before. I like data because it is left for someone else to interpret it. Not to mention, a world almanac entry should be easy to cross-check for anyone who has the energy to do so.
    Posted only because it does seem to be at odds with some claims. I do not post it to make any point at all.


    Thanks Modwiz. I was looking for a large version of that graphic. Note in the breakdown by country of Jewish population in 1933 Germany had 510,000 Jews NOT millions. Despite what tarka the duck says Almanacs generally don't lie even if there is some rounding. The margin of error is not off by millions.

    There is a trick though to create a statistical holocaust. It comes in the difference between full blooded Jews and those of partial Jewish ancestry. In 1970 Israel through legislation redefined what a Jew is. With the stroke of a pen millions of partial Jews disappeared. In 1933 if someone was even a quarter Jewish they would be considered a Jew. After 1970 if a person is not full blooded on their mother's side it doesn't count.

    Jewish historian Professor Sergio DellaPergola stated "if we add persons who state they are partly Jewish and non-Jews who have Jewish parents, an extended global aggregate population estimate of 17,236,850 is obtained.” (2014)

    This is what the global Jewish population looks like if the partial Jewish population is counted.

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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Thanks Modwiz. I was looking for a large version of that graphic. Note in the breakdown by country of Jewish population in 1933 Germany had 510,000 Jews NOT millions. Despite what tarka the duck says Almanacs generally don't lie even if there is some rounding. The margin of error is not off by millions.

    I stated that the explanation was simple, not that there were lies involved.

    As you haven’t bothered to research the World Almanac Gambit, and for anyone else who may be reading this thread, here ya go:

    1) All stats between 1938 and 1949 were from 1939 estimates - here are the figures from the World Almanac:

    1941 — 15,748,091
    1944 — 15,192,089
    1947 — 15,688,259
    1948 — 15,688,259
    1949 — 11,266,600

    Nothing to do with population increase/decrease - only to with the lack of new data. Europe, in 1949, was in complete chaos.
    How exactly would a census have been carried out, with so many missing and misplaced people?

    A new estimate wasn’t available until 1949, so the figures, post-war, were based on the pre-war census of 1938. Simple.

    http://www.nizkor.org/ftp.cgi/people.../world-almanac

    2) The American Jewish Congress data backs this up: in 1948, it is explained that the stats are the same
    as those from 1939 (15,688,259).

    3) The Nazis themselves provided useful data: the minutes of the Wansee conference show that they
    estimated the population of Jews in the Soviet Union and Ukraine to be 8 million.

    4) Contrary to your claim, general reference books such as the Almanac are not usually considered to be reliable sources.
    You say, "The margin of error is not off by millions."

    Please note the population of Christians on the page posted by Modwiz:
    In 1933, it states there were 116,000,000 Christians.
    In 1948, it states there were 90,207,985 Christians.

    Where did those 26 millions allegedly missing Christians go?


    So, with a bit of research, it's clear that the World Almanac Gambit is yet another red herring.




    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Note in the breakdown by country of Jewish population in 1933 Germany had 510,000 Jews NOT millions.
    What is your point here?

    Who claims that there were millions of Jews in Germany, pre-war?

    You surely aren’t thinking that almost 6 million Jews couldn’t have been murdered because there were only
    half a million in Germany.

    Do you understand that the Nazis targeted Jews from all the surrounding countries?
    Poland, Slovakia, The Netherlands, the Baltic states, Romania, Belgium ........... .. .. .




    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    There is a trick though to create a statistical holocaust. It comes in the difference between full blooded Jews and those of partial Jewish ancestry. In 1970 Israel through legislation redefined what a Jew is. With the stroke of a pen millions of partial Jews disappeared. In 1933 if someone was even a quarter Jewish they would be considered a Jew. After 1970 if a person is not full blooded on their mother's side it doesn't count.

    Jewish historian Professor Sergio DellaPergola stated "if we add persons who state they are partly Jewish and non-Jews who have Jewish parents, an extended global aggregate population estimate of 17,236,850 is obtained.” (2014)

    This is what the global Jewish population looks like if the partial Jewish population is counted.
    I'm sorry - I really can't understand what you're saying here, but as you are heading off topic, I won’t follow -
    and the issue of who is a Jew is far more complex than you or I can hope to understand...and using a phrase such as 'partial Jew'
    is very close to the Nazi term "Mischling" and steps into the realm of the Nuremberg Laws which they used to legally define who
    was or wasn't Jewish.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mischling_Test



    But I have to smile when I look at the graph you posted: why do you think that line drops precipitously beginning in 1939?

    As a matter of interest, who added that red line?



    Looking forward to reading your response to the points I made in post 115.


    PS Oh, and please - if you’re thinking of posting the famous denialists’ memes of the Red Cross statistics or the Auschwitz plaque,
    do bear in mind that they are, yet again, false and easily disproven - and thus not worthy of anyone’s time.
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    Novusod - why have you ignored me again?!
    Because my time is limited and I have other things to do. This is not a contest of who writes the most spam wins the debate. Lets see about clearing out some of this backlog.

    The formidable Deborah Lipstadt makes an important point about these allegedly forged documents:

    “Deniers claim that forgers created these and other documents — complete with complex internal reference markings, on typewriters that perfectly matched those used by the various German units said to have written the documents — and then planted thousands of these perfect forgeries in numerous different archival collections (in exactly the right file and in precisely the right sequence) all over Europe. Not only is such a scenario fantastically improbable, it fails to explain why these supposedly incredibly talented forgers did not succeed in producing the one piece of paper that deniers demand as 'proof' that genocide took place under the Third Reich — an order from Hitler authorising the destruction of the Jews".
    I have heard that the typewriters don't match the kind the Germans used and the documents were produced on new paper. Paper produced in the 1940s yellowed quickly so mismatches in color quickly identified the frauds.

    This is all hearsay because the Nazi archives are off limits to scholars and historians. We just have to trust our government. NOW I ask you why are the archives off limits to historians? That is a big red flag to me. Original documents are hidden away so no one can question them. How is that acceptable in a free and open society based on the free exchange of ideas. This is how fake history is made. I don't think you have been following the Atlantis survivors thread but this kind of thing is discussed extensively.

    Fake history follows a pattern:
    - There is obstruction through denial of access to historical evidence
    - They present a narrative that we are not allowed to question
    - Then they tell people they are not qualified to go against the narrative


    Tarka the duck
    But this is a discussion about a subject that requires a massive amount of study and analysis in order
    to form a reasonable and valid argument. History is a narrative, and is all about relationships and context -
    it’s not a random mix of unrelated events.
    If this subject requires "massive amount of study" as you put it then why are the Nazi archives not available for study? This really invalidates everything you said so far (about German Documents and records) in this thread. Until the Nazi archives are made available to independent historians it cannot be accepted as physical evidence.

    You are wrong about history being a narrative. Real life has no narrative. Narratives are for story books and fairy tales. That is what the holocaust is a "fairy tale," a story and nothing more.

    In the case of the Holocaust people have been thrown in jail over questioning the narrative.

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    In his memoire, Hoss writes of the beating he underwent by the British when he was first arrested - and the men who were involved
    in that beating openly admit to their actions:

    "During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence. I do not know what was in the transcript, or what I said, even though I signed it,
    because they gave me liquor and beat me with a whip. It was too much even for me to bear."
    So in your opinion is torture a reliable method for obtaining evidence: YES or NO?

    I happen to believe that it is not. People will say or sign anything under torture just to make the torture stop. Anything obtained through torture is NOT credible evidence. Not only is this not evidence it reflects poorly on the character of the tortures. If someone is willing to use torture to manufacture evidence then who knows what these people are capable of. Use of torture actually discredits the case. It is a huge red flag.

    This is usually whitewashed from the history books for obvious reasons.
    The allies had to torture people to make them admit to the holocaust.

    BUT wait a minute.

    I thought the holocaust was an open and shut case with mountains of evidence to prove culpability. So this begs the question. Why did the allies torture confessions out the defeated Germans? Did they not have enough evidence at Nuremberg to get a conviction without the signed confessions. Sounds real shady to me.

    Tarka the Duck
    You claim he was tortured: Why didn't he then go on to write about subsequent beatings/torture?
    Could it be that his memoirs were written voluntarily?
    On Hoss's account "During the first interrogation they beat me to obtain evidence."
    Is that what you call voluntary?

    Tarka the Duck
    Do you understand that Hoss's memoirs and testimony are not unique?
    There are dozens and dozens of accounts, diaries, reports, affidavits etc that corroborate his words.
    Hoss's testimony is not unique. The Germans were routinely tortured by the allies after the war. The diaries and false confessions were all obtained through torture years after the subject dates.

    Tarka the Duck
    Here's just one example:

    SS commandant Dr Johann Paul Kremer was a doctor at Auschwitz from August 1942: he was involved in the medical experiments.
    In his diary, he describes the gassing process.

    Here is a translation of the whole diary
    https://www-tc.pbs.org/auschwitz/lea...reading2.3.pdf

    On 18th*July*1947, in*Cracow, he said:

    “Particularly unpleasant was the gassing of the emaciated women from the women's camp,
    who were generally known as 'Muslims'. I remember I once took part in the gassing
    of one of these groups of women.
    I cannot say how big the group was. When I got close to the bunker [I saw] them sitting on the ground.
    They were still clothed. As they were wearing worn-out camp clothing they were not left
    in the undressing hut but made to undress in the open air.
    I concluded from the behaviour of these women that they had no doubt what fate awaited them,
    as they begged and pleaded to the SS men to spare them their lives.
    However, they were herded into the gas chambers and gassed.”
    So commandant Dr Johann Paul Kremer made a confession under torture in 1947 based on what happened at his post at Auschwitz in 1942. Doesn't that seem a little suspicious to you? The dates don't match and it was obtained through torture. How ridiculous is this.

    This basically proves what I have been saying all along. This is NOT evidence. It is the opposite. It is evidence of a hoax. The allies tortured the defeated Germans to manufacture the false narrative of the holocaust. It is becoming clear.

    The one in denial here is not me. The more I look into this the more obvious it becomes. The holocaust is a hoax.
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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Tarka the duck


    Because my time is limited and I have other things to do.
    Tell me about it House, family, work, animals, garden, grand children ... But if you consider
    something to be important, you find the time. For me, this subject is not a game. When I encounter
    those who are trying to alter history, I have to challenge their disinformation in the name of the 11 million.
    It's a good way to spend my time.




    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    I have heard ...
    Here we have the crux of the matter. "I have heard ..." is synonymous with gossip, rumour, lies, innuendo, propaganda ...


    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    This is all hearsay because the Nazi archives are off limits to scholars and historians. We just have to trust our government. NOW I ask you why are the archives off limits to historians? That is a big red flag to me. Original documents are hidden away so no one can question them. How is that acceptable in a free and open society based on the free exchange of ideas. This is how fake history is made.
    Yet again, this is another false claim.
    I understand that you are neither a historian nor a scholar,
    but all the archives below are open to legitimate researchers.

    You want to go and view some original documents?

    Bearing in mind that they are written in German so I'm assuming that you won’t understand them, and that the staff will frown
    on you using your pocket forensic kit to verify their authenticity - although many will allow you to
    take photographs - you have lots of choices.

    How about the 30 million documents in Bad Arolsen?
    Here’s the page about visiting
    https://www.its-arolsen.org/en/resea...-its-archives/

    Or maybe the Weiner Library for the Study of the Holocaust and Genocide in London?
    https://www.wienerlibrary.co.uk/Visit-Us

    Another London resource would be the National Archives
    http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/h...-20th-century/

    Perhaps the Berlin Document Centre in Berlin?
    They have 600,000 personal files about the members of the SS.
    And 500,000 files from the 'Main Department of Race and Settlement’,
    And 1.5 million Nazi party correspondences

    https://www.bundesarchiv.de/fachinfo.../index.html.de

    If you can’t make it to Europe, you have the microfilmed copies in the US Archive.
    https://www.archives.gov/research/ca...ed.html#center

    Or the Simon Wienenthal Centre Library and Archives.
    Or Yasd Vashem.
    Or USHMM.
    ...

    So as you can see, lots to choose from. Let us know how the research goes.



    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    You are wrong about history being a narrative. Real life has no narrative. Narratives are for story books and fairy tales.
    I can't understand what you're saying here.

    Isn't a narrative is a series of interlinked, chronological events
    - whether fictional or factual - one leading to the next? Nothing in isolation. Cause and effect.

    Or do you really see history as a series of random, disconnected episodes without causes?

    As a matter of interest, can you clearly differentiate between fact and fiction?



    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    In the case of the Holocaust people have been thrown in jail over questioning the narrative.
    Repeatedly bringing up the laws against the denial of crimes agains humanity, and genocide is yet another red herring.
    I must find a picture to post every time you do that …

    Got one!


    These laws have no bearing on the reality of the Holocaust.
    These laws are not putting an end to the publication of hate material in all its forms.
    These laws are not silencing you, here and now, are they?


    There is a warped sense of moral reasoning being shown here...

    While expressing concern for the grand total of 11 people who have actually been
    imprisoned, there is a callous dismissal of the suffering and murder of 11 million.

    While claiming that Nazi prisoners were tortured, there is a refusal to even acknowledge
    the pain inflicted on millions of children, elderly people, men and women labelled “Untermensch" -
    those the Nazis deemed to be subhuman.

    While complaining that one elderly lady (Haverbeck) is facing prison for repeated denial of the Holocaust,
    there is no mention of the hundreds of victims - mainly children - of Mengele’s terrifying 'medical' experiments.

    That is a twisted viewpoint.
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