Originally posted by
Catsquotl
Originally posted by
Aragorn
Perhaps I worded it badly, but what I meant to imply was that the concept of Self and Other are both illusions. Together, they make for one of the primal Yin/Yang polarities that were created by Source in order to create order (i.e. knowing) out of chaos (i.e. not knowing). The existence of The Self stems from the creation of subjectivity.
Before Self (and Other), there was only objectivity, but objectivity does not provide meaning — and thus, "order out of chaos" — to a singular awareness with infinite potential. That is why all polarities were created, and all of the fragments of Self to breathe life into them. It is equivalent to the collapse of the wave function in quantum physics, i.e. the creation of a defined state out of an undefined superstate.
Consciousness without thought is merely awareness. Consciousness with thought leads to questions, the primary purpose of which is to understand, and thus to create order out of chaos.
As an example, whenever you notice something happening in your peripheral vision, as insignificant an event as it may turn out to be, your natural reaction is to look, even if only so as to identify what has entered your visual awareness. By looking at it, the chaos begets form and becomes order — or at least, only of the primary kind of course, because that which you've identified may (or may not) trigger newer questions which (may) need an answer.
Aha..
To me there is no self and no other.
Consciousness arises by it's own volition based on the causes at hand.
The questioning for instance that emerges after picking up something in my periphery is caused by the fact that this body has an eye.
So the consciousness that emerges is co-depended on the eye. Without the eye there would not be that particular manifestation of events and thus no conscious awareness of it..
I do not disagree with your definition, Eelco. The way I see it, we're simply approaching the same thing from a different vantage. 
The vantage you are tapping into is focused on the mechanism and the building blocks of consciousness — you start off with pure awareness and then you go from there onto consciousness, which is awareness with thought. My vantage on the other hand is the perspective of what in industrial terms is called "finite elements", i.e. individual beings, and how they relate to consciousness as a whole.
Both vantages are valid, because they each highlight — read: "zoom in on" — separate aspects of the structure of consciousness.
Originally posted by
Catsquotl
Ohh I remember now. We sort of talked about this already Aragorn.
What-is-consciousness
I linked the post with a summation of the various definitions..
Indeed, we have been talking about this before. Wow, 17 April 2015... Now there's a blast from the past. 
I wasn't even a staff member yet at that point in time — I was only first recruited as a purple moderator exactly one day later, on 18 April 2015.
Originally posted by
Aianawa
Interesting developing thread, another question one could add to the what if's and maybe's is what when you have an evil human produced to you, comes upon your path, excitement for meeting this whole soul aspect of your/oneself ?, escape to not be contaminated ?, just be ?, sure there is options, of the fear simply in contemplation is there for me, what could I lose etc
Well, I guess it depends on what you consider contamination, or how exactly you see the mechanism of this contamination. 
Yes, an evil person can contaminate you if they can convince you that their views are more applicable and/or valid than yours, and they will generally do this by applying some kind of twisted logic. An example of this would be the well-known twisted variant of the Hegelian dialectic known as "problem, reaction, solution", which the rulers of this planet so gratefully utilize to keep us all under their thumbs.
Nobody in society likes draconian measures, and as such, The Powers That Be™ know that they cannot push any such measures onto the population by force. It would lead to nothing short of a revolt. However, when there is suddenly a perceived threat — whether it's terrorism, anthropogenic climate change, a nuclear holocaust, a lack of sufficient resources to sustain the growing global population, or even an alien invasion — people not only start approving of draconian measures, but they even start demanding them from the authorities.
"Those willing to sacrifice liberty for the sake of security deserve neither liberty nor security."
(Benjamin Franklin)
Fear is an ill adviser, because it locks one into survival mode — the "fight or flight" reflex — and therefore focuses one's consciousness on self-preservation and competition, as opposed to service-to-all. And service-to-all is the resolution of the true Hegelian dialectic, i.e. "Out of thesis and antithesis follows synthesis."
In situations like that, you have to listen to your heart, because the heart knows the truth. The heart knows what's right and what's wrong. And I guess this is why we are all here, at The One Truth, and other venues such as this one. The heart created the cognitive dissonance between what it tells us and what the world around us is saying, and that's why we've all woken up — or at least, to this dissonance.
Other than that, I don't think that any contamination would be possible, because even though we all exist within the consciousness field that spans the entire omniverse — or otherwise put: we are all merely dreams in the mind of the Creator — we have individual souls, and the corruption of one soul cannot wash over into another soul. If it could, then it would negate the purpose of Creation, because then there would no longer be any subjectivity — read: "diversity" — after a while.
The fragmentation of consciousness across distinct entities with individual souls forms a boundary layer to prevent that from happening. But of course, that's a knife which cuts both ways, because it also prevents Good from eradicating Evil. From the vantage of the Creator, either scenario would be undesirable, because it would once again lead to chaos — read: "the absence of polarities would cause the information in the mind of the Creator to lose its significance."
Of course, there is also such a thing as demonic possession, as well as the concept of a telepathic inception by a demonic entity. Both of these can plant seeds of disinformation into your mind, and guide you onto a path of false logic or confusion of priorities on account of the balance between service-to-self and service-to-other.
But then, if the soul is pure and the mind is sane — i.e. there is no psychosis and there are no other cognitive impairments — then the heart will speak and instigate the cognitive dissonance which you need for seeing things for what they really are. This in itself is the correct interpretation of the true Hegelian dialectic, i.e. "Out of thesis and antithesis follows synthesis", as I wrote higher up already.
Immature souls may of course have difficulty with getting their priorities straight because they may not have formed an ethical opinion yet, or they may lack the level of consciousness needed for forming such an opinion in the first place, and as such, their vision may be clouded. And this then opens them up to corruption. But just as the pieces on a chessboard are merely the tools of the chess players, these corrupted souls themselves are not the corruptors; they are merely the tools.
As I see it, truly evil beings are perverted "by design", because they are merely a catalyst. Quite possibly, they may even have been an unintended side-effect of Creation itself, as metaphorically described in gnosticism. In gnosticism, the Archons came to be as an unintended side-effect of Sophia's decision to leave the realm of the gods without her mate, and as such, the Archons became one of the primary polarities in Creation — i.e. the negative one.
Either way, the bottom line is that the concepts of Good and Evil cannot exist — read: "have meaning to the Creator" — if either one of those polarities were to disappear. They are two sides of the same coin. It's all part of the process of creating order out of chaos, with chaos itself being the undesirable polarity — read: "evil", albeit that at the Creator's level of consciousness, the words "good" and "evil" are merely quantifiers and don't have the same significance as they do to us, down here within Creation. When it comes to that level of consciousness, these two polarities are therefore more appropriately expressed as Yin and Yang, with Yang being the thesis and Yin being the antithesis.
Am I still making sense to anybody? 
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