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    Does Disclosure Have to Come from the Government?

    First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

    We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

    Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

    In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

    What do others think?

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    Quote Originally posted by KeepTrying View Post
    First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

    We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

    Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

    In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

    What do others think?
    In my view they won't.
    The ensuing shyt storm will completely shut down the MSM, and there is too much invested there.
    (Like millions of dollars from the CIA to bolster the Wall Street Journal, for starters.)

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    Quote Originally posted by Paloma View Post
    In my view they won't.
    You're probably right.

    I wish you were not, but we can't always get what we want.

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    Question

    I personally see it as an evolving global consciousness phenomena ...

    And i mostly agree with this recent assessment by Miriam Delicado ...



    Will UFO Disclosure Happen Soon? When? By Who? 2017

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    Quote Originally posted by KeepTrying View Post
    First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

    We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

    Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

    In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

    What do others think?
    Quote Originally posted by Paloma View Post
    In my view they won't.
    The ensuing shyt storm will completely shut down the MSM, and there is too much invested there.
    (Like millions of dollars from the CIA to bolster the Wall Street Journal, for starters.)
    In my opinion, keeping a lid on the advanced technologies — and especially zero-point energy — is exactly the reason why they're not going to come clean on this, and the reason behind that, in turn, is that if they were to do that, then the whole financial-economical system is going to come down.

    Just think of it... Whatever industry you might be thinking of, they all have one thing in common: the banks own a stake in all of them. Take one big such industry — most notably the energy industry — down, and the banks will fall flat on their faces. And if the banks fall flat on their faces, then all other branches of industry will fall on their own faces with them.

    Money is the one thing that controls the entire world, regardless of whether local regimes are capitalist or socialist. The global system is capitalist, and all local regimes have to accept this if they want to be able to trade — which they have to do, because no nation in the world is entirely self-sufficient.

    And the system of fiat money, along with the indoctrination and even conditioning of the people to accept the belief system that one has to be reimbursed on the spot for everything, as well as the belief system that everything on this planet is either owned or can become someone's property, all make up for the largest part of the control system that allows a very small and self-proclaimed elite minority to rule the rest of the population of this planet — governments and laws form another leg of that same control system.

    They're never going to risk losing that, because it is indeed only a minority which has this control over us. We have strength in numbers, so if they were to lose their control over us, then they're never ever going to get it back again. And they know that.

    So it's not actually a matter of not wanting to admit that there would be intelligent non-terrestrial life out there — and in our atmosphere, and on and in our planet — but rather a matter of keeping humanity enslaved. That's the real issue.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    Spot on, Aragorn. Yet banks, military, governments, and all those other visible institutions like the ones who have hijacked people's faith in a higher power, are only one half of the orange.
    The other half other being invisible dimensions, which UFOs are only a small part of. The fact that they are becoming more visible recently is a sign that the powers of the world have grown exponentially in the last century, and people's consciousness growth is manifesting the balance point, even visually, to keep the world elite in check.

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    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Thank you for posting that video.

    I like the format of a contactee speaking alone from the heart.

    I would be very interested in more videos from other contactees speaking for themselves where there is no chance of someone putting words in their mouth or not asking relevant questions.

    I think it's very valuable to be able to see and hear our contactees speaking freely for themselves.

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    Too much is invested in controlling people, whether it's controlling a narrative or keeping the lid on ET or free energy, anything that would cause them to lose control will be fought and fought well. Any individual is merely expendable in the face of it.
    Sometimes God shines his magic light beam from outer space, and it works in mysterious ways.

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    Laurence Rockefeller birthed the disclosure baby back in '93, and Steven Greer hit center stage in the very next breath that same year. Make what you will of that, but I consider waiting for official disclosure a total waste of time (at best), especially knowing the origin of this particular alt media meme.

    As a matter of fact, IMO waiting for official disclosure is every bit as ridiculous as waiting for Jesus to return from the clouds ROFL...

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Laurence Rockefeller birthed the disclosure baby back in '93, and Steven Greer hit center stage in the very next breath that same year.
    Steven Greer's Disclosure Project press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC was in 2001, a few months before 9/11.

    In what way did Greer come onto center stage in 1993?

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    Quote Originally posted by Paloma View Post
    Spot on, Aragorn. Yet banks, military, governments, and all those other visible institutions like the ones who have hijacked people's faith in a higher power, are only one half of the orange.
    The other half other being invisible dimensions, which UFOs are only a small part of. The fact that they are becoming more visible recently is a sign that the powers of the world have grown exponentially in the last century, and people's consciousness growth is manifesting the balance point, even visually, to keep the world elite in check.
    In the late 20th century, some researchers were into "hardware" and the physicality of phenomenon and "where" in "space" did the visitors originate?. Then others were involved in the psychological investigation of para "normal" experience. John Mack was one who noticed patterns in phenomenon and that the experiences were deeply significant and that SOMETHING was happening. Jacques Vallee is remembered by me as the major person to indicate that we could reframe Extra as Ultra terrestrial and that these phenomenon may be in and out of dimensional "contact".

    The recent personalities in the investigative community seem stalled out IMO. Maybe it is a general idea that something "governmental" knows all about what is occurring and is hiding the "super hardware" and keeping a lid on "visitors"?

    In the mean time, there seem to have been waves of "phenomenon" and it does NOT escape my attention that the names may "change" but the association in our beliefs to the manifestation look similar to the same experiences of ancient reportage. We may say "ET visitor" (friendly and not) but some other Intrusions seem to be realms of Djinn or fairies or demons or "gods" or angels (depending on the meetings meanings). That is to say nothing of "channeled" info that seems to insert itself from wherever It arises? Not KNOWN.

    I think there are deliberate attempts to suppress inventions. The "government" can manage to do that. There can be deliberate shaping of "meaning" of our own anomalous experience. Society (religion and social systems) can easily guide our "understanding".


    Our context shapes reality and this will be denied until the end of the world. IF it was suddenly revealed UNEQUIVOCALLY that everything we believe is true paradoxically BE CAUSE WE each invested confidence and believed true was OUR IMAGINATION> it would destroy the basis of consensus reality. It will not happen because it cannot happen.

    The unsettling of experiencers is based on the strange unexplained and ALSO just learning that there is so much MORE than was ever believable. From wisdom teachings it looks like streams of sentient consciousness ebb and flow into the "dimensional frequency" of OUR PARTICULAR dimensional awareness....???? We will each see change be cause WE change.

    This is just to be expected. After all IF there is a common denominator and a collective agreement to maintain or "the world" does disappear, what are the implications? Seems logical we can only agree to little bits of change so we can maintain a seeming normalcy? What we call insane is also losing touch with the common agreement.

    I think there is a sensible reason the recall and "images" are muddy and blurry? The REVELATION of our own responsibility surfaces whenever there are two witnesses who disagree on the nature of "occurrences". Eventually, I think "humanity" will build the new earth where collective willingness to allow "UNcommon experience" acknowledges individual differences. I grok 'new earth" as oUR organizing of insistence that we use "hard ware" for the collective "well being". The intrapsychic and the paranormal will be "interesting" but "to each his/her own" and pass the butter.

    We NEED new energy, food production methods, clothing, shelter and "health related" systems. These transcend everything else we could believe. I am stymied about how low humanity's expectations for itself can be on these issues....

    In the meantime, (question) can there be a "one true" manifestation of ULTRA dimensions to disclose? In a reality dependent on the observer based collective agreement, can we agree to disagree and have that satisfy "disclosure"?
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    It doesn't have to and it never will.

    The ET forces working for the light will show up when the time is right and the people on this planet are enlightened enough, I don't see that happening in the very near future seeing how low level human consciouness collectively is at the moment, but I sure hope I am wrong. I certainly don't believe in any human ET "representatives" out there. 99,9 % are hopium dealers.

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    Quote Originally posted by Wind View Post
    The ET forces working for the light will show up when the time is right and the people on this planet are enlightened enough . . .
    How will we identify an ET force?

    That is, how can we verify?

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    Hmmm. If the government discloses then I would have to ask why. It won't simply be to inform. The banks will be poised to make money if it happens.

    It seems like the secret breakaway organizations are still the most likely scenario. They have and keep the tech but don't reveal it and the power entities have their hand in the gold pot. They all make money behind the scenes.

    And we still toil away wondering why our economy isn't falling apart when it should be due to all the debt, etc.

    But disclosure coming from outside sources could be a possibility. It's hard to say how or when since there are too many unknowns.

    My guess is that when it's close it will become an inexorable force which just happens in multiple places and can't be stopped. Like a discovery whose time is right. There are many individuals and even communities for whom disclosure has already happened. The rest of the world needs to catch up.

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    Quote Originally posted by KeepTrying View Post
    How will we identify an ET force?

    That is, how can we verify?
    That's a very good question.

    Not sure if I have the answer.

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