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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    But disclosure coming from outside sources could be a possibility. It's hard to say how or when since there are too many unknowns.
    As long as it happens in such a way that my older sister, who is very mainstream, acknowledges that it has happened, meaning I can speak to my family about disclosure-related topics without getting ridiculed, I'll be happy!

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    Quote Originally posted by KeepTrying View Post
    First of all, I guess by “disclosure,” I should say UFO disclosure first, and extraterrestrial presence second.

    We need disclosure of both, but the term “UFO” is more well-known and accepted than “extraterrestrial” and “ET,” and not as scary; do you agree?

    Anyway, I’m thinking that disclosure through the corporate world is not enough to convince the masses that the official story is false.

    In order to make a significant difference, the government has to come clean. Otherwise, the power structure won’t change and things will just keep on keeping on. Advanced technologies will stay hidden. Wars and terrorism will keep happening just as they always have, in my opinion.

    What do others think?
    Agreed however, I see it like the mob and the federal government are one and the same entity. So asking for disclosure when you realize it's the mob cartel of thugs kinda wakes you up to realize if it is them you ask for something they are simply not going to reveal anything but maybe a smile. If Hillary's Bio-daddy was Goldman as they say then it's the Goldman that took over the Chicago mob with Daly after Capone was jailed for tax evading. When Bill Clinton got caught in that rape in Oxford they swung a deal knowing he was set to be a president. Knowing he was a perv. anyway they probably set him up to blackmail him but either way it happened. He was caught and the Whip, a senior group of monarchs very wise and powerful told him they'd get him off on two conditions!
    One: He had to promise future favors when he was president
    Two: He had to marry Hillary Clinton!

    This marriage tied the federal government and mob together nice and official like if not then for the future and they got those favors and then some.

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    Disclosure? Don't take it personal. It's just business.

    That can explain a lot of silencing. No big deal for the mob. Trail of bodies? Par for the course.

    I think we'll need to be relying on ourselves and our counterparts from beyond.

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    Quote Originally posted by KeepTrying View Post
    As long as it happens in such a way that my older sister, who is very mainstream, acknowledges that it has happened, meaning I can speak to my family about disclosure-related topics without getting ridiculed, I'll be happy!
    I know what you say here is driving many to want disclosure.
    "To learn who rules over you simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize" -- Voltaire

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    Removing all the bogus restrictions on Nature, such as allowing hemp to be grown anywhere for the abundance it would provide, would serve humanity far more than ET disclosure for unbelieving family members. Perhaps they, like me, do not see what the great pay off would be and simply consider it of little utility to the problems we face now. It would also interrupt humanity rediscovering its true greatness.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Perhaps they, like me, do not see what the great pay off would be and simply consider it of little utility to the problems we face now.
    My sister has always been much more practical than I.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I think we'll need to be relying on ourselves and our counterparts from beyond.
    A very good point.

    I value self-reliance and asking for help when needed, as in "seek, and ye shall find."

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    The Survivors of Atlantis ( not the series title) series here on TOT discloses something crucially important to understanding our greatness. Then we could teach ET a thing or two. They seem kinda bored with their worlds. The music and art of our recent past is better than traveling thorough space, IMO. Wonder if they have sweet and juicy peaches? Mmmmm, yum.

    https://jandeane81.com/showthread.ph...vivors-wake-up
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Removing all the bogus restrictions on Nature, such as allowing hemp to be grown anywhere for the abundance it would provide, would serve humanity far more than ET disclosure for unbelieving family members. Perhaps they, like me, do not see what the great pay off would be and simply consider it of little utility to the problems we face now. It would also interrupt humanity rediscovering its true greatness.
    Hemp is only ONE ally we have royally dissed.
    You are speaking to what I consider the BE ALL and END ALL of "disclosure', we live on a sentient planet in the middle of a conscious Universe and we agree to believe we are all alone and in danger of starving ... Just because we ARE restricting nature, we have suffered our loss of abundance. We could have so many incredible ways to spend the day and then party in to the night and still have enough sleep.

    IMO some friendly "Visi-ons" and "visi-tors" are just awaiting our attention?


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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    Laurence Rockefeller birthed the disclosure baby back in '93, and Steven Greer hit center stage in the very next breath that same year.
    Quote Originally posted by KeepTrying View Post
    Steven Greer's Disclosure Project press conference at the National Press Club in Washington, DC was in 2001, a few months before 9/11.

    In what way did Greer come onto center stage in 1993?
    I was hoping you might take my not so subtle hints from above post, and simply type the following magical words I plainly laid out there into a Google search, before turning right around and challenging my assertion with a question you could have easily solved for yourself: "laurence rockefeller 1993 steven greer".

    You may have just started stumbling across results such as the following example, little tidbits that take some time and effort to dig up from scratch in the first place:
    http://siriusdisclosure.com/cseti-pa...ease-feb-1998/

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    I was hoping you might take my not so subtle hints from above post, and simply type the following magical words I plainly laid out there into a Google search, before turning right around and challenging my assertion with a question you could have easily solved for yourself:
    The only way to find out what you meant, however, by "center stage," was to ask.

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    Ahhh....

    I found the thread I can put this on. It's relevant to even the last couple posts.

    I was confused at first because Tom Delonge has been talking about how the key to the UFO phenomenon is consciousness. So does Grant Cameron.

    But Grant Cameron is warning against Tom Delonge. He sees Tom as being one of the 'messiahs'.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0zGr7vjz24


    And the wonderful title of his newest book is Managing Magic.

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    Very awesome interview there Dreamtimer. It lines up with much of my own thoughts and experiences.

    Just a side note, he mentions anecdotally the women's right to vote (for the USA) I presume came in the 1920s. Just like to add that New Zealand was the first country to do so and that came in 1893.

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    I think I'm starting to understand this consciousness thing. I need to go back and listen to that other video about the Dreamtime. The guy in that one spoke of a man who could be in one place and then in another. He travelled 'through the Dreamtime'. In this one, Grant talks about doing just that sort of thing. The travel throughout galaxies and universes is possible once the knowledge of the connection of everything is understood.

    Uh oh. Better start meditating.

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    The only disclosure I will accept is that of my own. Imagine we all suddenly awaken like from a dream, we know who and what we are, remember our entire history and purpose here, and know and remember all other beings in this Universe. I know people who have had experiences beyond the 5 senses and have seen ships in our skies. So I know disclosure is waiting to happen within me.

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