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    Prophecy: (not mine, and I don't believe they are set in stone)

    I just started reading Spiritual Ecology this evening. The first essay is by Chief Oren Lyons of the Onandaga in upper state New York. He wrote about the prophecy that would inform his people of the extent of the degradation of the earth through two signs. One was the acceleration of the winds, which I have certainly noticed. The other was how people treated their children. So we are at the place of needing to reconcile our relationship to our life-giving earth. He goes on to say that we need to get along with laws. “There is no habeas corpus in natural law. You either do or you don’t. If you don’t you pay….So what we have to do is get our leaders to change, and if our leaders don’t do it, we’ve got to raise better leaders, newer leaders….It’s your responsibility to raise good leaders. Get them up there where they can be effective and change the direction of the way things are headed.” He writes that life is for thanksgiving and to be outside and enjoy life. “….you should tell everybody that there can never be world peace as long as you make war against Mother Earth.”

    I don't believe this is 'using the same thinking'. The same thinking has been to be unengaged and disaffected.

    The new thinking is to believe that your actions, and your vote, matter. New thinking and new action are happening.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Prophecy: (not mine, and I don't believe they are set in stone)



    I don't believe this is 'using the same thinking'. The same thinking has been to be unengaged and disaffected.

    The new thinking is to believe that your actions, and your vote, matter. New thinking and new action are happening.
    It helps me to see source attributions. Thanks

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    The quote is from a comment near the bottom of a thread I have linked to. The commenter's name is Pretiare. (I don't normally directly link to this site because it's flavor is quite different than this forum. I have referenced it before.)

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    Drake Equation? Fermi Paradox?

    If life is common, then where is everyone? A new paper claims to have the answer, but their conclusions are highly suspect.

    Water, light, heat, organic molecules, and the ingredients for life are indeed everywhere. But aliens of any type have yet to show themselves. For all we have hard evidence for, Earth may be it for life in the entire Universe.

    If that sounds pessimistic to you, or, as Carl Sagan put it, "an awful waste of space," you're not alone. [Nature doesn't waste energy]

    Although we knew very little about the various parameters in it, the Drake Equation is still used by many today to estimate the number of potential civilizations we can communicate with in space.



    Despite the replacement of point estimates with probabilistic distributions, as the authors impose, there is still no evidence that we can say anything sensible about these likelihoods. In the absence of evidence, theorists aren't theorizing based on sound science; they're simply making numbers up. The authors state their methodology as such:


    Unfortunately, this falls prey to what I call the first law of computer science: garbage in, garbage out. Historical estimates and the authors' judgments are no substitute for the data we need, and do not have.

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    conclusion in this case seems to be 'Jury's still out'
    What is always left out of the Drake equation is the movement of the solar system thru the galaxy. When you take it into account, the Earth is much “closer” to other stars than simple static positions.
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    I like the helical motion videos. The planets are moving in the wake of the Sun.

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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    I like the helical motion videos. The planets are moving in the wake of the Sun.
    Those are usually done wrongly. They typically show the planets whirling perpendicular to the sun’s motion thru the galaxy. The ecliptic plane is canted with respect to the Milky Way. Right now Mars is close to the Earth and passing thru the Earth’s magnetosheath causign the dust storms on Mars. Happens every time Mars and Earth get close. Boneheaded “solar scientists” are clueless to this.
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    Quote Originally posted by Dumpster Diver View Post
    What is always left out of the Drake equation is the movement of the solar system thru the galaxy. When you take it into account, the Earth is much “closer” to other stars than simple static positions.
    Yeah but those other stars (and their planets) are themselves also constantly moving, Bro. There is no such thing as absolute position within spacetime.
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    The opinions of the young and very active generation that is coming of age is very different from those of the alternative community. At least according to surveys. That doesn't mean that they are the enemy of this community. In fact, this community could learn by taking a few pages from their playbook.

    The alt community was the cutting edge. The young people are now the cutting edge. They follow the alternative community's model in many ways, using social media to spread information instead of waiting for others to act, or to be spoon-fed information.

    Rather than judge, dismiss, or demonize, imo, this alternative community could learn a lot from them. Even form alliances.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yeah but those other stars (and their planets) are themselves also constantly moving, Bro. There is no such thing as absolute position within spacetime.
    Eggzakly!!!
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yeah but those other stars (and their planets) are themselves also constantly moving, Bro. There is no such thing as absolute position within spacetime.
    But there is relative motion...estimates are that the Milky Way and Andromeda will collide in about, uh, a long time. Two scenarios are painted...one corresponds to my interpretation of biblical end times and the other is totally benign given the distance between star systems...no contact.
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    Quote Originally posted by NotAPretender View Post
    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yeah but those other stars (and their planets) are themselves also constantly moving, Bro. There is no such thing as absolute position within spacetime.
    But there is relative motion...estimates are that the Milky Way and Andromeda will collide in about, uh, a long time. Two scenarios are painted...one corresponds to my interpretation of biblical end times and the other is totally benign given the distance between star systems...no contact.
    Yeah, but that's still some 4 billion years away, so I'm not about to hold my breath just yet.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Yeah, but that's still some 4 billion years away, so I'm not about to hold my breath just yet.
    me neither...but it gives us some time...
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    Quote Originally posted by Dreamtimer View Post
    The opinions of the young and very active generation that is coming of age is very different from those of the alternative community. At least according to surveys. That doesn't mean that they are the enemy of this community. In fact, this community could learn by taking a few pages from their playbook.

    The alt community was the cutting edge. The young people are now the cutting edge. They follow the alternative community's model in many ways, using social media to spread information instead of waiting for others to act, or to be spoon-fed information.

    Rather than judge, dismiss, or demonize, imo, this alternative community could learn a lot from them. Even form alliances.
    You said it Dreamtimer and I couldn't agree more...
    The young people are now the cutting edge
    just wait for them coming faster than bullets!
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    You made me think of Foster the People, Elen. (a band) Mmmm, maybe back to the lounge.

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    I agree

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