Thanks Spiral! You're right about Caledonia in the north of Scotland: it's the same land as a part of North America. I've been to North Wales but never to Anglesey unfortunately. I'd love to visit. There is a theory that Anglesey was Camelot and not Glastonbury - it is surrounded by water and they have cultivated apples there for generations.
I've been contemplating the Druids' Last Stand for days now. I've been reading about indigenous spirituality in general for a while now and apart from having the same beliefs, they all seem to believe in a big change which is happening during these years and their elders who have kept their beliefs alive and lived 'underground' for generations to avoid the persecution of their European originated authorities are sending chosen people to speak to others to help them into this new age. I'm pretty sure that the Druids must have taken their knowledge 'underground' too and that they will be sharing this with some people. If anyone has any information concerning this I'd love to hear it.
'Man must be made conscious of his origin as a child of Nature. Brought into right relationship with the wilderness he would see that he was not a separate entity endowed with a divine right to subdue his fellow creatures and destroy the common heritage, but rather an integral part of a harmonious whole. He would see that his appropriation of earth's resources beyond his personal needs would only bring imbalance and beget ultimate loss and poverty for all.'
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'Man must be made conscious of his origin as a child of Nature. Brought into right relationship with the wilderness he would see that he was not a separate entity endowed with a divine right to subdue his fellow creatures and destroy the common heritage, but rather an integral part of a harmonious whole. He would see that his appropriation of earth's resources beyond his personal needs would only bring imbalance and beget ultimate loss and poverty for all.'
That is So beautiful Shamanseeker.
I feel that to cut oneself of from nature and the natural laws of Mother Earth is like chopping of a body part !
This is the conclusion of a seminar in February, 2013, "The Romans invasion of Mona, Religious Genocide or Realpolitik " written by Craig Smith, a member of a group of modern Druids, the Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids who seem to be a group of stable-minded people who are carrying on a lot of studies of the ancient Druids and practicising what they believe to be the Druids' religion.
His conclusion is very scholarly and I agree with a lot of what he has to say. However, he believes that the Romans were not so interested in destroying the Druids for religious grounds stating that, quite rightly, the Romans drew into their culture all the gods of the people they conquered and that they were more interested in wealth and prestige. However, by mixing their gods with those of the vanquished, they were carrying out cultural suicide in my opinion along with the identities, including religious identities, of those peoples. I think that, like our modern leaders, it was in their interests to wipe out the pure spirituality of the indigenous peoples of Europe just as was done later on in history during the period of the British Empire and the conquests by the Spanish, Portuguese, etc.
It's also interesting that even though their is no hard evidence that the Druids carried out human sacrifice even if it is often mentioned as truth, that the Romans had carried it out due to “the prospect of a repeat of the Gallic sack [which] caused such panic that for the last time in their history, the Romans performed a human sacrifice, burying alive a Greek and a Gallic man and woman in the forum.” They are not supposed to have carried out human sacrifice again but this is what the Romans reported.
"Conclusion
I hope that through this seminar you have pondered why the Romans went to Mona. I hope I have shown that the British Tribes had been a thorn in the Romans sides for 20 years, and that the army were setting down a rebellion like any other. They were upholding the Pax Romana of Augustus. I hope that I have shown that the resources on, and trade through Mona were not insignificant. Gold was especially useful to the Romans as their currency depended on a supply of gold to mint its coins to pay its army and receive tax. The copper was also useful again to help keep the army equipped. Added to this were the strategic advances gained geographically by holding the island, and the mental demoralisation caused to the tribes by knowing that Rome would go to any length to put down resistance. I hope that you have seen that the man Vespasian, a one-time soldier became emperor of the world, and that it was in the fabric of the new Roman state that a man could foster such ambition. That such ambition could only be fulfilled through military campaigns, because the elite needed the triumph and resources they could gain. I hope that I have shown that the historical resources, on which we base our ideas of the reasons for the Roman invasion, and their opinions of the druids who were apparently held out on the island are not as unbiased as we would like, and that they were often written with the authors best interests at heart. I hope that I have shown that the Roman army did not destroy the indigenous religions of its new provinces, but actually accepted their gods and brought them in alongside their own. This had been happening since Greece, and let us not forget the Jews, who were constantly in revolt, but never crushed. If the Romans had set out to destroy Mona and all it stood for, they would not have to have returned in 79 AD to finish off the job. They would not have left anything that would need a second campaign. I don’t believe the Romans saw the Druids as anything more than the ruling cast and intellectuals. What the Romans actually set out to achieve by invading Mona was to get their hands on a strategic island, full of wealth and geographical importance. The Druids were at best scapegoats and at worst just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Let me leave you with just one last thought, the Romans in their writing often demonise the Druids, whatever they were, by saying that they were often engaged in human sacrifice, of which we find no archaeological evidence. What we do know is that in 105 BC, after the defeat of the legions at Arausio Goldsworthy reminds us that, “the prospect of a repeat of the Gallic sack caused such panic that for the last time in their history, the Romans performed a human sacrifice, burying alive a Greek and a Gallic man and woman in the forum.”
There is a lot of scope for development particularly on the side of the Roman histories and the writings of Caesar on his campaign in Gaul. It would also be interesting to do a detailed study into the actual archaeology of the invasion of Mona, to see what evidence there is for settlement on the island and just how much hell was unleashed. However I wanted to focus on a study of the Roman army its self, a subject that Speidel suggests should be a discipline of its own, quite outside of the confines of ancient history.
Bibliography
Roman Warfare, Adrian Goldsworthy, Cassell 2000
Soldier and Society in Roman Egypt, Richard Alston, Routledge 1995
The Oxford History of the Roman World, Boardman et.al ed. Oxford 1991 http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/an ... fault.aspx, Griffiths, 2002"
How ancient are the Celts? Of course, the oldest centres of Celtic influence mentioned here are the oldest to be found up to now.
"First things first. What does the picture of Stonehenge in the header have to do with the Celts, or Celtic Culture? According to many Archaeologists and Anthropologists everything and nothing! Some say it was made by "an ancient race with advanced scientific knowledge".
Others say it was a type of temple used in witchcraft, etc. However, carbon dating and other scientific facts place the building of Stonehenge right in the earliest part of the Celtic historical timeline of their (known) presence in the British isles and Europe.
NOTE: New facts have recently been uncovered, in my most recent research, that shows the Celtic culture dating back over 50,000 years in North America. In a similar accord the British have uncovered remnants of the Celtic Culture in the region occupied by Genghis Khan. These artifacts have been carbon dated back to over 20,000 years ago! Read on to learn more and check back often as I present these recent scientific findings here in the near future.
The jury is still out but it raises just SOME of the questions we will try to cover. Join us on our journey of discovery of the Celtics, the Celtic culture, Celtic art, Celtic music, their religion and more.
It has been found that Stonehenge and the other megalithic monuments long predate the Iron Age Celtic culture. However, genetic evidence indicates the Celtic populations of the Atlantic Archipelago have been relatively stable for at least 6,000+ years. If this is true then the modern Celts would be the direct descendants of the builders of Stonehenge! (Some information has come to light that the Celts burst onto the scene in Europe as far back as 12,000 years ago.)....
To many the Celtic culture conjures up thoughts of ancient warriors, the hope of the Knights of King Arthur and the wonders of the magic of Merlin.
But it is so much more. Yet these wonderful people conquered the known world of the day. They have been recorded as far back as 2,800 years ago. Centuries before the Greek and Roman Empires ever existed.
Could they be the remnants of that ancient race known as the "Atlantians?" The first discovery of the Celts, in Europe, did start in that general region of the world where Atlantis was thought to have been.
Might the few survivors of that advanced race of people be the forefathers of what we now know as the Celts (pronounced Kelts)? Maybe time will tell, then again maybe we can only surmise and wonder!....
The lands occupied by Celtic peoples were far and wide. But where did they originally come from?
They were first discovered in the southern areas of what is now North America. It has been surmised by many that they are the remnants of the ancient race of people known, in anthropological circles, as the "Atlantians. The Celts were so far advanced that one has to wonder if there may not be a lot of truth to this!....
They were the first to use steel swords making them almost invincible in battle. They were the first to use "mail" armor. They were the first to come up with a workable calendar, to design intricate instruments and work with blends of metal, iron and copper.
Where did they learn such skills 10,000 years before any other race?
The Celts first known homeland was in North America. Recent discoveries have been carbon dated and verified of the Celtic existence in North America dating back over 50,000 years! They have now correctly identified structures that they built that had been, mistakenly, created to an early race of Indians.
The second oldest area of Celt existence is actually in Central Asia - East and West Turkestan, which is N/NW of Tibet. Celtic remains, relics and burial sites have been found by British Archaeological expeditions dating back to the 1920's and still continuing today (with the permission of the Chinese government)...."
This is from the google archive, I shall start each post with the original authors name in bold ( I shall shorten shamanseeker to ss)
SS
The Welsh harp in Wales
A wooden carving from around 1510 from the frame of a bed belonging to Sir Rhys ap Thomas
'The harp is the only traditional instrument in Wales with an unbroken history up to the present day. It is also the instrument most often cited in Welsh literature through the ages.
The earlier harp was a small instrument – ‘telyn benglin’ (penglin = lap). It was also referred to as the ‘telyn farddol’ or bardic harp – an instrument similar to others throughout Europe. An example of this type of harp can be seen in a wood carving from the early 15th century, on the bed frame of the nobleman Sir Rhys ap Thomas of Dinefwr. The carving shows a harp player as part of a military campaign.
Twisted horse-hair was used to make the harp strings, and there are many references to the 'telyn rawn' (rhawn = horse-hair). In all likelihood, metal strings were also used, as in Ireland. It is thought that the Welsh harp was rather different from the Irish equivalent: with a straighter pillar and lighter in construction. On some harps, small L-shaped wooden pegs held the strings to the soundboard, touching the strings and causing them to ‘buzz’. These pegs were called gwarchïod. Harps in Wales were usually made from wood (for the framework and pegs), animal skin (for wrapping the soundboard), bone (for making the tuning pegs), and horse-hair for the strings. According to description in poetry, a harp would typically have around 30 strings. The Welsh harp was always played on the left shoulder.
By the 14th century, the ‘telyn rawn’ or horse-hair-strung harp was losing ground to the ‘telyn ledr’ or leather-harp – a change bemoaned by the poets, as seen in a cywydd by Dafydd ap Gwilym.
We don’t really know what sort of music the early harpists would have played. The manuscript of Robert ap Huw (c.1580-1665) is the only clue, and it's taken a long time to decipher! This manuscript is the oldest collection of music for the harp in the world today.'
'Harpist Catrin Finch takes a musical journey to discover the ancient and fascinating history of the harp in Wales and the world, with interviews and performances from internationally-renowned guests including Alan Stivell, Carlos Orosco, Alemu Aga, Isabelle Perrin and Elinor Bennett. - BBC Four'
(Spiral ; if this isn't the right video please let me know )
Celtic people live in a world so different from other peoples, in fact, there is o other to compare it with. They are the fey ones, the ones whose talents are legendary, but whose minds, hearts and souls are steeped in time immemorial. they are not the bards - musical story tellers, and lore keepers for nothing. they are understandably Welsh, Irish, Scottish and English too, with a mix of Danish, Norwegian, Swedish and some in Gaul, plus some into other parts of Europe, yet their stories belong back in time to remind them of a heritage that cannot ever be lost to time, as they are the janitors of the Northern Lights. they instil lores in solar time, for the are so steeped in Solar Planetary fables that come from around the Plaeiedes and came from there to here in planetary shiploads, then settled to land as if they had only ever come from here, as their original name was the Children of D'aana - their name meaning the children who came from the Plaeiedes - to some it means we are Celts, the ones who came and settled on land which became our Home. Are we just the ones who came and settled on that land - no- we are everywhere and everywhen that Earth's history comes from, and we revel in being just that. "Cearna" was a High Priestess of Celtic lore, who taught all over these Celtic lands over a very long time period (and could swing a mean broadsword), back in the first lifeline in olden days, which I believe is so far back that ther is no recorded history of that time, because the time lines moved, becoming inter-changeable with the Golden Age and then with the joyless Dark Ages, which is all we can go back to now. All the earlier time lines merged, because a comet crashed to Earth and opened a hole in the Earth time-lines, becoming then linear time, instead of purpose built time lines, that became one after this. The geographical time lines are still there, but we cannot remember them, for our minds cannot think in that way any more, and so was lost the Golden Age of Man on Earth, but it can still be found, if we can change our minds to encompass all of life instead of only that which can be found in linear time. You don't have to Astral travel to do this, it is possible if you allow other time lines to exist as one with this one. That is all it takes to travel interdimensionally in one time- line space - travel and never wonder how this was possible for then your mind gets in the way and stops the process. Celts are pretty good at this if that is what they wish to do go find the real Camelot and so on.
The next step after learning and being completely converse with Celtic Spirituality, is simply just being Human..... or even just Spiritually Human?
That is indeed if that is what we really are?
No separation between creed, breed or culture,...
just us.
Just us as we all once were.........and still really are............Eternal Spiritual Beings who share infinite consciousness....and are even willing to believe......that we are all cosmically..... "One and the same Being sharing a mass consciousness?"
Or are We?
Russ places his now totally empty glass of The Famous Grouse whisky on the nearby coffee table, thinking to himself...."You can take the Celt out of the Spirit....but you can never take Spirit out of the Celt!
Thank you Russ! Of course, you're right. I love all cultures and am fascinating by all peoples. The point of this was that I came to understand after studying the indigenous peoples and realizing that they all have a basic, true spirituality that is not doctrine or dogma based, that the indigenous peoples of Europe also had this and that it has been 'ambushed' over the centuries, subject to cultural genocide like all the others! This is important to know.
I do not believe in the slightest that we are superior because we are Celts but it's important to me to help people understand that we have this wonderful heritage like all the indigenous peoples of the world that we can learn so much from. Our values have been replaced by the Roman-originated values, civil and religious, that have placed us where we are today, i.e. mental slaves. I love the Romans of today and Italy as is quite clear I believe but there are some very dysfunctional people coming from the culture that the Roman empire imposed upon us and the British Empire afterwards which was just following in its footsteps.
I'm also interested in finding out where this knowledge has been handed down word of mouth through the generations from when the last stand of the druids took place. I believe it has just as the indigenous peoples all over the world have done and who have been very careful in what they have allowed to 'leak out' because even today they are killed if they are found by the élite. I'm not ready to sit back and just let things be. I don't think it's negative to search for these things.
I became interested in the druids back in the 80's, did some research, which enhanced my fascination. (I live in the foothills of the Sierras in N. California -rural). Was driving through Main Street, Placerville, small town a route I took often. While stopping for a stop sign, the sun suddenly lite up a small monument in the middle of the road, which brought my attention to it - it was placed there by the Druid Society.) I was quite surprised that there even was a Druid Society here.
Found their phone number - an older lady answered and was very reluctant to talk to me. I pressed on (nicely), and she eventually revealed she was cautious because so many people called her with threats - she even received hate mail. I was pretty shocked that in this time period, in this area, something like that would happen. Or that folks even knew about the Druids.
She really didn't have an information. ( she was in her 80's and was just keeping her father's and grandfather's legacy going). They were in the Druid Society (now defunked here), which as far as she knew - or revealed, was simply a service organization to help the 49er gold rush people who were arriving here in droves with great hopes. El Dorado County where I live is one of the main counties were gold was discovered.
I post this only to show how the hate that has been slurred against this knowledge continues - even to "liberal" California.
And Highland1, wouldn't mind if you passed some whiskey here; I'll add it to my eggnog and thereby convince myself it's very healthy for me!
I apologize for how this is posted. I don't know how to post a pdf. Since it ties in with what has been said in this thread, I thought it would be of interest. Youtube has recordings of Ior Bock which can be viewed
Here’s an article I thought you might find interesting - the “Bock” story.
It is a story of the spoken word narration in the Druid tradition, passed on from one generation to the next. It may represent the first spoken language and alphabet. It also addresses the elimination (extermination) attempt by the forces of the Vatican on the Celtic traditions. Only 2 families survived : the Bock and the Ra families.
Chris Thomas has the following to say about it:
I don’t agree with much of it but I suspect that the underlying story is fairly accurate in content.
There seems to be some confusion of terms and names within the article but I suspect that will be down to some mental confusion following the murder attempt on the poor man.
Beyond that, it fits in with the Tall White Nordics of Kobekli Tepe and the Thuatha D’Anu traditions.
I would describe all of these northern tribes as being Celtic and so all have similar traditions and similar knowledge.
Chris
The Saga is a history and mystery so huge that it defies description. To date, Ior Bock has released information about
four major periods in Earth's history: Paradise time, Atlantis, the time following Atlantis, and the New Times.
The original tradition and history of the Bock Saga, said to have been passed down over countless thousands of years, suggests that the original inhabitants of Finland were the first people.
The Saga is a history and mystery so huge that it defies description. To date Ior Bock, has released information about 4 periods in Earth’s history: Paradise time, Atlantis, the Time Following Atlantis, and the New Times.
THE BOCK SAGHA An Ancient Time Capsule
One of humanity's greatest challenges lies in the effort it takes to adopt new
perspectives while utilizing old belief systems in order to steer a course towards
the best possible future. This challenge is constantly in conflict with
established belief systems relating to our past, present and future, for these
belief systems are the central wheels of the academic hierarchy, involving all aspects of
humanity including religion.
Many of us are only just coming around to the realization that civilisation was indeed
thriving and highly evolved in our ancient past. With each day that passes and each new
discovery that comes to light, the truth of this is more and more difficult to ignore or
deny.
Consider for a moment that our ancestors knew that their civilisation was facing natural
disasters and cataclysmic changes. Would they have had the foresight into our future to
create a mandate and provide future descendants with time capsules containing their
knowledge and experiences? Absolutely! We can say that with certainty, for we are really
no different today in that respect.
There is now a strong and growing body of evidence indicating that the Bock Saga is
such a time capsule, containing knowledge allegedly dating back more than 50 million
years. According to the Saga, it was decreed over 10,000 years ago that the surviving
Bock family would release the information in 1984, and not before. It was perceived that
by this date, human genetics would once more have the capacity for wholeness, enabling
people to understand how to live in harmony with nature and each other and therefore
properly utilise the information.
Is the information contained in the Bock Saga true and, more to the point, is it accurate?
Time will tell. This article is merely an introduction to the astounding wealth of rare
knowledge that is being presented by Ior Bock, who, as the last surviving descendant of
the Bock family, is entrusted with the keys to its resurrection.
In the 1980s, a group called The Positive Foundation came together to begin excavation
in an area near Helsinki in Finland, which is believed to be the location of Lemminkäinen
Temple. According to the Bock Saga, within the Temple's hidden halls there is to be
found a repository of human knowledge and existence on our planet dating back millions
of years.
THE ROLE OF IOR BOCK IN THE SAGA
Ior (pronounced ee-or) Bock was born on 17 January 1942. His father, Knut Victor
Bockström, died on 11 May 1942. At that time, only three members of the Bock family
remained: Ior, his mother Rhea and his sister Rachel.
After his father died, Ior was adopted by a man named Bror Gustaf Bertil Svedlin and
his name was changed to Bror Holger Bertil Svedlin. Svedlin died in 1950 when Ior was
eight years old. In March 1968, Ior reclaimed his original family name.
From the age of seven, Ior sat with Rhea and Rachel every day to listen to and learn the
family tradition of the Bock Saga. He was not allowed to ask questions through these sessions,
as it is considered that one learns more by listening than by talking.
According to Ior, the Saga is based largely on the teaching of sounds, which must be
heard and experienced, and therefore it has been passed down orally from generation to
generation in this way. Each descendent was taught from the age of seven to the age of
27, for it took 20 years to comprehend and master this knowledge. Thus the Saga was
transmitted to Ior through the years 1949 to 1969.
As a young man, Ior gained employment as the head guide of
the Museum Fortress of Viapori (Sveaborg) in Finland. Each year
he spent time in Goa, India, putting together the historic theme for
the following season at the museum. In the summer of 1968, Ior
made his first academic presentation at the museum. In the years
that followed, he became a very well known and respected historian
and was involved in the development and production of a number
of television documentaries.
In 1984, Ior began to relate his family history and the details of
the Bock Saga. When the information was first released by Ior, it
caused a controversy. It was met with a great deal of disbelief
and there were accusations that the Saga was just a set of stories.
Many of the detractors are now reconsidering their position due to
astounding and significant discoveries made over the past few
years—discoveries which seem to confirm that the Saga is indeed
based on fact, not fiction.
In June 1999, Ior was attacked by a man at his sister's apartment
in Helsinki. He was stabbed in the back a number of times and
his heart stopped for 10 minutes. Paramedics managed to revive
him, but the attack left him a quadriplegic.
Nearly three years later, Ior can
now drink tea with very little assistance,
yet he manages to continue his
daily talks and release of the Bock
Saga material. His mind is still very
clear and he smiles, even though
nearly all that he had has been taken
from him.
SOUND CODES OF THE SAGA
Science has now come to the
understanding that we originate from
light and sound. According to the
Bock Saga, our civilisation has only
just re-evolved to the level of this
basic understanding. It is therefore
understandable that the Saga should
come to light at this time.
The Saga deals with a sound system
that was utilised and understood in complete detail many
millennia ago—a technology based on light and sound that also
incorporated a spiritual understanding of how to work with
"nature orally", i.e., "naturally". But somewhere in the darkened
mists of our past, that knowledge was lost and therefore so was
our ability to utilise it.
The Saga, given as an oral transmission, conveyed and maintained
in correct form, via the Ring, the alphernas beten or alphabet,
the kela of sound. The alphabet is in the original Rot (pronounced
root) language and the Van (Finnish) language. The
teachings reveal a natural sound code within the language, which
contains and retains keys of information. The sound system creates
an internal logic within the Saga. It is understood that this
system creates an encoding within the brain that triggers genetic
memory. In this way, the narrator of the Saga transmits the information,
thus enabling the listener, after 20 years of learning, to
take the Saga forward. (In fact, contained within the word saga
itself—sa meaning "receiving" and ga meaning "giving" in both
Rot and Van languages—is an understanding that one must first
receive before being able to give.)
So the Bock Saga is chiefly an oral tradition based on the teaching
of sounds. It is not a written tradition, as it must be heard and
experienced. Therefore, most of this information to date has been
obtained from a series of audiotapes, particularly as there is very
little reference material available. This article is based upon my
understanding of these tapes.
The use of English-language spellings to convey the original
sounds is a challenge. For instance, the name Oden is pronounced
as oo-den. Other words may have similar sounds but quite different
meanings in English. For example, the English word "heathen"
comes from hi-den (pronounced hee-den), meaning "whole"
and "worthy", and is not meant to have a derogatory connotation.
The Holy Grail of languages is but one small fragment of the
knowledge contained within the kela of sound. Human history,
philosophy, health, well-being and, most importantly, the understanding
that we are all one are critical parts of these teachings.
In antiquity, at a time when this knowledge was common, there
existed a communal philosophy: one breeding, information system,
one giving system, one Ring which created health and wellbeing.
Our ancestors understood that this generation would be ready to
receive its birthright: the knowledge of our origins, contained
within the Saga. The question remains: are we indeed ready?
THE ORIGINS OF HUMANITY
The Saga is a history and mystery so
huge that it defies description. To
date, Ior Bock has released information
about four major periods in
Earth's history: Paradise time,
Atlantis, the time following Atlantis,
and the New Times. All of this
knowledge is known as the
Väinämöinen mythology.
According to the Saga's history of
evolution, which dates back to the
first seeds of life on this Earth, the
seeds grew and evolved to a point
where eels formed. Eels then gave
rise to frogs, which eventually
evolved into monkeys. At some
point, the genetics of the monkey and
the goat (the bock, also the symbol of
the Bock family) were combined to create the first two humans,
Frej and Freja. The Saga does not say who was responsible for
these genetic manipulations.
This creation occurred around the North Pole, where the Sun
circled and never set. Surrounding the Pole was a land that
became the Motherland. It was known as Odenma or Uudenmaa.
At its centre was Hel, meaning "clear", "home" and "complete".
The humans were known as pi-pol (pronounced pee-pol, meaning
"people"). All knowledge could be understood within the Pole
and the Ring. (It is significant to note that binary mathematics is
based on 0 and 1, a ring and a pole.)
Uudenmaa, the garden of Oden—which later became known as
Eden—was located in what is now southern Finland. It was a
tropical paradise and the home of the first people, known as the
Aser. Ringlands were created outside of Uudenmaa, and within
each Ringland the breeding system was put in place. The people
who lived outside of Uudenmaa were known as the Vaner people,
and their language was Van, meaning "One".
Within the kela of sounds which make up the Rot language was
the knowledge of how to be one with nature and our plan-et, plan
meaning "plan" and et meaning "family"—a family plan to create
wholeness. Men and women were equal. The man had his-story
("history") and the female had miss-story ("mystery"). Both
understood the knowledge of how the light of the Sun, known as
Oden, enables all things to grow and is everything.
Oden also represented the knowledge of the Court of Aser.
One Ring, whole and complete, one giving, breeding system,
Yehova ("give to the Court of Aser") was in Uudenmaa, with Hel
at its centre. With this knowledge and its proper utilisation, the
Aser was considered healthy, whole and complete. (The name
Yehova was eventually changed to Jehovah, and "God [good]
within" became "God in Heaven".)
From the beginning of Christian times, the heathen system (and
all it represented) was hunted down and removed or destroyed.
Women were excluded from this new system because much of the
miss-story, the female mystery, had become taboo ("taboo"), ta
meaning "to give" (to germinate the seed, which is feminine), b
standing for borg (meaning cast-el or "castle"), the breeding system,
and oo representing Oden the Sun and knowledge to make
things grow healthy.
Under the heathen system, Shiva represented
the energy of the Sun reflected by the
Full Moon once a month; the knowledge of
the Moon and monthly cycles. The male and
female essences—sperma and sav—were
regarded as whol-i ("holy"), and when
respected and shared correctly they created a
healthy and whole i-moo-en ("immune",
meaning "in the mouth") system.
It was the woman's right to choose when to
be a mother, by way of the dream of Lucia.
This happened on 13 December, Lucia Day.
24 December was Fest-i-val (Festival) Day,
when the Disas (the "Stem Mothers") were
impregnated by the Lemminkäinen (the
Bock) inside Odenma. Also on this
day, the prospective Vaner fathers
stood on ped-i-stals ("pedestals")
naked, with erect penises, so that the
self-chosen mothers could look their
"heart's desire" in the eye and choose
the one they liked. 25 December was
Jule Tide, the birthday of the Sun (not
the Son of God). On 26 December, the
men chosen on Festival Day had to pass
physical tests to prove their fitness to be
a father. This day was known as Bocksing
Day—now Boxing Day.
But with the arrival of Christian
times, the original importance and meanings of the language were
changed, lost or corrupted. Under the Christian system, respect
for and sharing of sperma and sav became taboo—in other words,
restricted and forbidden. Consequently, the woman was denied
her natural worth and equality. Instead of sperma and sav being
honoured, they became ill-used and wasted. Men and women
could no longer understand the history and mystery to assimilate
the seed of knowledge, and did not follow the breeding system
and create wholeness with Oden.
THE CONTINUUM OF LIFE
Paradise Time
In the heathen system, certain trees were regarded as sacred.
Among these were the ash tree and the oak tree. Ancient records
would seem to show that people had a lifespan of nearly a thousand
years.
In Paradise time, one's lifespan could have been very long
indeed. When a person died, they were cremated and their ashes
were scattered around the base of the ash tree. The soul was then
able to be absorbed by the roots and ascend through the tree trunk,
branches and leaves, to leave this plan-et whole. This may explain
why so few remains of the people of that time have been found.
In Christian times, these family trees were systematically destroyed.
According to the heathen system of knowledge, Frej was the
first Bock ("goat") and Freja was the first "nanny goat", called the
Svan ("swan"). They understood the alphabet, the kela of sound.
This then enabled them to understand the system of procreation
they were to initiate to ensure that all humans born would be god
(pronounced "good").
Frej and Freja had at least 12 sons and seven daughters. This
first family became the Piruet family. At its head were Per
("Allfather") and Ella ("Earthmother"). The 12th son became the
new Bock who mated with Svan to create a further 12 sons and
seven daughters.
The first son of Frej and Freja was named
Ra, and the first daughter was Maya. Ra and
Maya became the teachers—the King and
Queen—at the age of 27 years old, and their
task was to maintain the hidden heathen
knowledge. But as teachers, Ra and Maya
were not permitted to have children. (It is
interesting to note that in some Scandinavian
countries, even into the 20th century, teachers
were not allowed to have children; if
they did, they were no longer allowed to
teach.)
Through the descent of the family line,
three more breeding-group tiers were
formed: the Jarlet, Karlet and Trelet
lines. These became the Vaner people
who lived outside of Uudenmaa. From
this point, the original Bock then mated
with a Svan from the Vaner people. In
this way, a second-tier breeding group
was created within Uudenmaa.
There were then two groups within
Uudenmaa: the Piruet and the Roset
Aser people. From the Roset family,
the 12th son was the Rabis, who
became the breeder for each Ringland
and was also known as the Allfather.
The Time of Atlantis
According to the Saga, over 50 million years ago the ancient
ones saw that there was a change taking place on our planet.
Some scientific studies indicate that the first Ice Age began 65
million years ago, but this time-line is based on techniques that
may be flawed.
The Saga says that the first major changes occurred just over 50
million years ago, resulting in a shifting of the pole, causing all
the lands to become ice. This was known as the time of "All the
lands ice"—Altlandis, otherwise known as Atlantis. Atlantis was
not so much a location as it was a time in history.
Anticipating this major change, the Aser set up 10 locations
around the world so that the Vaner people could survive the ice
time. Afterwards, there were 10 breeding systems that became 10
different races of people with 10 different languages, all based on
the original Rot/Van languages. When the ice came, the Aser
were cut off from the Vaner people. Largely due to a warm gulfstream
current flowing into the Gulf of Finland, the region of
Uudenmaa remained ice-free.
According to the Saga, over 50 million years ago the ancient ones saw that there was a change taking place on our
planet. Anticipating this major change, the Aser set up 10 locations around the world so that the Vaner people could
survive the ice time.
According to the Saga, the Second Ragnarök, or the Second
Destruction, occurred just over 10,000 years ago when the ice
began to melt rapidly. Foreseeing what was to come, the Aser
built boats to accommodate their people, animals, food and other
supplies and sailed to islands that were high above sea level. This
small group of near-Arctic human beings called their hideout in
Gotland Noa-tun ("new yard"). This was the origin of the Noah's
Ark story.
At this time, the Temple was closed and Hel was covered in ice.
The surviving Aser people were able to return to Hel just over
9,000 years ago when the waters receded. Hel became known as
Hel-sing-ki (now Helsinki) and the original sound/breeding
system was re-established.
The Third Destruction
In AD 1050, a papal army surrounded
Uudenmaa and slaughtered most of the
remaining Aser. All things associated with
heathen times were either removed or
destroyed. This period is known as the Third
Ragnarök, or the Third Destruction. Two
families escaped this slaughter: the
Bockström (Bock) and Raström (Ra) families.
The extermination of the bloodlines was in
fact the very purpose behind the Crusades and
the search for the Holy Grail. The Holy Grail
was the bloodline of the King and Queen and
of all the heathen people. The Crusades conducted
by the ruling Church continued for
hundreds of years. Part of this extermination—
the removal of the Roset family
lines—took place with the War of the
Roses.
In 1248, an agreement was made
between the Bockström family and the
Christian King of Sweden, Birger Jarl.
It allowed the family to return to
Uudenmaa, but in exchange for their
silence and absolute non-involvement in
politics—until the time came for the
Bock Saga to be released to the public in
1984.
THE ASER TEACHERS
Through history, the intent of the great teachers has been to elevate
the human spirit and goodness (God-ness) within the human
condition. However, in many cases, their teachings have been
significantly altered over the course of time by certain vested
interests set on wielding power and dominion over others.
The names of various Aser teachers are recorded in the Bock
Saga. These teachers were sent out to reconnect the Vaner people
to their heritage and to Oden, and many of them were sent all over
the world. In a number of ancient locations, records, carvings and
other monuments attest to the arrival of a Caucasian people who
were very tall and had blond or red hair, the men among them
having beards. These people came in boats without oars or paddles,
and were regarded as gods among men. It was also recorded
that these people came from the north, from the seat of power, and
that their knowledge of all things was complete.
Some of these Aser teachers are well recorded in history. They
were male and female, as the people needed both to create the hisstory
(history) and miss-story (mystery). Within the Saga, some
well-known names of the family of Aser include Buddha, Jesus,
Krishna, Mohamed and Moses (Muses, a feminine reference).
Over 10,000 years ago, according to the Saga, it became apparent
that human genetics was changing. Even though efforts were
made to reconnect the Vaner people, it was foreseen that not until
the latter part of the 20th century would the human condition be
evolved enough to assimilate once more the information contained
in the Saga. Thus it was determined that the Saga should
not be brought to light until 1984, for at this time there would
finally exist the possibility that man and woman could conceive a
child that was both inwardly and outwardly whole.
It is relevant to note that in the last 15 or so years, children have
been born who reportedly have three strands of DNA. These children
are highly gifted and have abilities far beyond what is considered
normal for most people. Their psychic powers enable
them even to be aware of and communicate telepathically with
other children around the world who are likewise
gifted.
THE SEARCH FOR LEMMINKÄINEN
TEMPLE AND FAMILY FORTUNES
In Paradise time, in every generation the
people came together to reconnect to the Ring
of sounds and knowledge to further their love
and understanding. With them they brought
their finest arts and crafts, much of which
was in the form of gold. Gold was honoured
because the fire of the Sun is within and it
lasts forever. This was a giving to Yehova.
Lemminkäinen was the name given to
Bock, the breeder. Lemminkäinen
Temple was created in honour of the
Bock in an area known as Tuna, located
inside Uudenmaa. The arts and crafts
were for-tuna ("fortune") and were put
on display for all to see; they were
known as the art-i-facts ("artefacts").
Proof of the Bock Saga is to be found
in Lemminkäinen Temple and the Bock
family treasure chambers. According to
the Saga, the entrance to the Temple lies
deep beneath the earth, 30 kilometres
east of Helsinki (Hel). The Temple was
created within a hill, and the domed area
at the top was used for ceremonies.
Below this is an area 250 kilometres in diameter. Within this area
there is a golden spiralled stairway leading to halls housing the
artefacts. Each hall represents the lifetime of a Lemminkäinen
(Bock). In front of each hall stands a life-sized golden statue representing
the Bock at the age of twenty-seven. The Temple
became the mu-see-them ("museum"), said to contain artefacts
dating back to the beginning of human knowledge.
Lemminkäinen Temple was closed in AD 987 because the heathen
people could foresee that Christian armies would invade in
the future. It was at that time that permission was given to the
remaining Bock to re-open the Temple one thousand years later in
1987.
Prior to 1987, a group of people came together in a partnership
known as The Positive Foundation and began excavations to
reach the Temple. In the Foundation's booklet, they report:
...we had information that the entrance was sealed with big
stone blocks. Indeed, we found three perfectly cut stone
plates piled one on the other. The plates were about 5 metres
In AD 1050, a papal army surrounded Uudenmaa and slaughtered most of the remaining Aser. All things associated with
heathen times were either removed or destroyed. Two families escaped this slaughter: the Bockström (Bock) and Raström (Ra) families.
long, 4 metres wide and 1.5 metres thick. After removal, at
the bottom of the monolith we found two more stones of about
4 metres x 2.5 metres x 1 metre. These stones fit the former
entrance exactly. Behind these stones, we expected to find a
big room, the so-called water lock. However, this room was
filled with a cement-like mass.
The team had excavated a tunnel over 40 metres deep, 6 metres
wide and 3 metres high, which descended with an approximate
15-degree gradient. According to information provided by Ior
Bock, the hall should end in a room from which three corridors
are accessed, with the middle corridor leading to the upper dome
of the Temple. Unfortunately, the cost of further excavation
exceeded the Foundation's budget, and the Finnish Government
and the National Board of Antiquities (Museovirasto) were
unwilling to provide funding, help or support.
In 1991, the Foundation's last
sponsor stopped supporting the
project. Later that same year, a
geophysical analysis of the location
was conducted using a subsurface
imaging radar (SIR) system.
At 25 metres below the
ground, at a coordinate designated
by Ior Bock, it picked up a
dome-shaped hollow space with a
roof, potentially made of metal.
A picture of the ground condition
at the excavation site indicates
that only a few more metres of
excavation had to be carried out
for a breakthrough to be
achieved. As at May 2002, this
breakthrough has not yet been
achieved.
GOLDEN BOCKS, CRYSTAL
BALLS AND REGALIA
According to Ior Bock, there
are other artefacts of the heathen
culture buried in various locations
across Finland.
Specifically, there are three golden
bock statues (as stated previously,
the Bock family's symbol
is the goat) as well as three crystal balls and the regalia of the last
King of the Aser.
Ior says that two golden bocks and two crystal balls are buried
in Snappertuna, about 70 kilometres west of Helsinki. This land
is now the property of the Church and is also a nature reserve.
The third golden bock, the third crystal ball and the regalia are
buried in the courtyard of Kajaani Castle, about 600 kilometres
north of Helsinki. This is the oldest and most northerly royal castle
known in the world. Ior explains that the Kajaani Castle site
served as an old breeding centre thousands of years ago.
On 12 October 2000, the SIR was used in the courtyard at
Kajaani Castle. The radar system detected at five metres below
the ground, at the exact spot where Ior Bock had indicated, a large
metal box fitting the description and dimensions which Ior had
provided.
Kajaani Castle is now the property of the Finnish state. So far,
the Government of Finland, the National Board of Antiquities
(Museovirasto) and the Church have refused permission for the
castle's courtyard or any other of these sites to be excavated.
THE KELA OF SOUND
We are now moving towards the latter end of the 20-year period
since this information was first released in 1984. Much has been
revealed, yet much is still to be revealed.
According to Ior Bock, the Rot/Van languages are the basis of
all languages on our planet. The Finnish language today is very
complex. Each word can be used in one of at least 165,252 forms,
cases or tenses. The English language is close to the original Rot
sound system. However, the unique capacity of the Rot/Van languages
to contain so much variety is in stark contrast to the
English language, which uses only relatively few tenses such as
past, present and future. Further, each sound (letter) within the
Rot/Van language has unique meaning and each word can be
assimilated from front to back, from back to front and from the
middle out.
The kela of sound, the alphabet,
the Ring, is made up of 29
sounds and combinations thereof.
There are 23 sounds in one
Ring and seven outside of the
Ring. There are 10 clear vocal
sounds (vowels), with the
remainder being combination
sounds. The sound i (pronounced
ee) is repeated, so altogether
there are 29 different
sounds.
Within the alphabet, the
first i represents the Bock; the i
stem represents the penis of the
Bock and the dot represents the
sperm. The second i represents
the Allfather and is also pronounced
ee (as in I Ching, pronounced
ee-ching).
Ta is "to give" ("to germinate
the seed knowledge") and rot
means "the sounds". Therefore,
to ta-rot ("tarot") is to "create
the knowledge of sounds". The
ancient learning system of the
Tarot appears to have changed
and now only contains the 23
main sounds, which are represented
in the Major Arcana of
Tarot cards. The Major Arcana has 22 cards; however, the first
card, The Fool, designated "0", is also represented at the end,
making 23 paths.
NEW ARCHAEOLOGICAL DISCOVERIES
In the last couple of years there have been a number of findings
that support the Bock Saga and Väinämöinen mythology.
Archaeologists involved with the PECHORA Project have
recently found 40,000-year-old settlements northeast of Finland in
the White Sea region. The finds were reported in the 6 September
2001 issue (vol. 413) of the British scientific journal Nature.
There was also the discovery of the susihuola ("wolf cave")
outside the city of Kristinestad on the west coast of Finland. By
the summer of 2001, Museovirasto had proved that communities
lived there for at least 300,000 years. The head of Museovirasto
has stated publicly that no one lived in Finland prior to 10,050
years ago, yet is now privately revealing evidence that people
lived in Finland long before any other civilisation
was known to exist on the planet.
Renowned archaeologist and researcher
Thor Heyerdahl, who passed away just as
this article was going to press, was
involved with excavations around the Sea
of Asov near the Black Sea, focusing on a
city known as As-Hov—As as in "Aser"
and Hov as in "Court", the Court of Aser.
In this new book, The Search for Ooden,
co-written with Per Lillieström (and soon
to be released in English), Heyerdahl
makes a number of references to the Aser
and Vaner people.
In the past, many so-called scientific
experts in Finland and other places denied
that the Aser and Vaner people ever existed.
Nowadays, this knowledge is becoming
more and more indisputable.
These findings also place a considerable
degree of doubt on the theory that Africa
was the cradle of humanity.
CREATING A NEW RING
In Paradise time, the people had a system
based on giving—one Ring of knowledge,
well-being and wholeness that brought all
together, even in the darkness, and bound
them. It was a system of stable health and
communal wealth where sickness was relatively
unknown because a balance was
maintained between the people and their
environment.
In the New Times, a new Ring was
created—a system based on taking—and at
its hub was the money wheel. It is apparent
from our civilisation's growing socioeconomic
problems that this latter system
has created a lack of balance, with an everdecreasing
spiral bound by greed.
This system has created a serious imbalance on
our Earth, as more and more is taken from
nature and very little replenished. This in
turn has created and continues to create
more greed, and so the vicious cycle
continues. This system has resulted in a
mere two per cent of the population
controlling 90 per cent of the wealth. If
allowed to continue, this system will
eventually destroy all life on our planet.
Our greatest challenge at the beginning
of this new century is to disassemble the
illogical Ring of power that represents the
taking system and create a New Ring based
on love, goodness and wholeness, a giving
system in harmony with nature and based
on true logic, to honour all peoples and our
planet.
This then will become our new paradigm
(Paradise time). To enable us to
understand and achieve this goal, we need
only embrace what is good—God within—
for this is truly our birthright.
Through the grace and foresight of the
Bock family and its sole surviving descendent,
Ior Bock, we have been given a
chance to redeem what has been lost: to
assimilate the language, the Key of the
Elves, the understanding of how life can
continue naturally, in harmony with Oden,
with everything. We must not allow the
conflicts within established belief systems
to inhibit this new paradigm, which is a gift
to our children and for the future of our
planet and all who live upon it. ∞
About the Author:
Les Whale is a teacher and psychic who runs
classes and workshops on auric diagnosis
and spiritual/psychic development. He is
based on the Sunshine Coast, Queensland,
where he does readings for people all over
Australia and internationally. Les uses his
ability to see and diagnose the auric fields in
his readings and often works with just a picture
of a person present.
He can be contacted
by email at lesw@austarnet.com.au and
by post at PO Box 5055, Sunshine Coast
Mail Centre, Nambour, Qld 4560, Australia.
For more background information on the
Bock Saga, visit Les Whale's website at http://www.sshoesmith.fsnet.
Whiskey has to be good for you - it's made from barley - or is it oats
Thanks Ba-ba-ra! They say the Druid Society was established during the 19th century but it isn't known if they are original druids or not. It's interesting though that they get threatened which ever way it is.
Thank you so much Herbert for your posts - they are fascinating. I shall read them properly later and assimilate them
Thanks again, Herbert, there certainly seems to be a lot in what you posted. It makes sense to me; some very interesting connections with words too.
Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett have been studying important historical texts since 1977. They have identified two King Arthurs and physical evidence to support their claims. Their research has revealed a conspiracy to hide our heritage. Caxton started printing in London in 1474 and the English parliament immediately passed a law forbidding printing in Wales and you couldn't print anything in Wales until 1692 and by then the damage had been done. At one time, English teachers who knew no Welsh were put into Welsh schools in their hundreds, replacing their Welsh colleagues.
"Alan Wilson and Baram Blackett have uncovered physical evidence of two King Arthurs. The latter day stories of King Arthur have pushed two very real Kings together into one mighty mythical character. Wilson and Blackett in their detective work have specified a dynasty of 80 British Kings, two of whom were called Arthur seperated by 6 generations. Once they had pin point St Peters Church (North East of Bridgend in South Wales) as the most likely resting place of King Arthur II, they bought the building and carried out an excavation. It's impossible to state they are wrong in their conclusions when you discover what was found during their excavation. Academia "Are you watching?". Anyone in academia who wishes to assist or be involved with Wilson & Blacketts research please get in touch with them."
The now deceased Laurence Gardner did a very good job of presenting this information in his many books on the Grail Bloodline. Finding corroborative physical evidence is helpful for making his case stand stronger.
Thank you so much Spiral for bringing so much of what was posted back onto the thread after the 'crash'!
I'll put back the info from Wilson & Blackett when I can. Unfortunately I don't have any connection at home and have to come to the nearest big town to work on this but if you want to listen to what they are saying, please check them out on www.richplanet.net They have discovered King Arthur's tomb in the south-west of Wales and talk about the deliberate cultural genocide carried out by the authorities.
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