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    The Avalon Files

    So this is just a quickie little FYI posting. Time is rolling on as time does, and I'm surmising that precious few members these days have any clue as to the history involved in this particular branch of Forum Land. For anyone interested, Nexus was the original spin off from Bill Ryan's original Project Avalon after the great Charles/Atticus debacle (similar to it's former incarnation as Project Serpo), and if I recall correctly TOT was the second.

    Anyway Richard (former PA admin), the founder and admin of Nexus, compiled and left behind a chronology of much of what transpired back in 2011, when PA literally split in two, the reverberations of which still extend outwards to this day through Skype, email, and many other small forums scattered about. The underground is still alive and well, and that's a very good thing.

    There's not much left of ole Nexus any more, but back in the day it was quite the wild ride there. I'm very glad I was there for that ride. It was quite the education, and I'm thankfully still in contact with many of those members. "The Avalon Files" leaves behind a trail of history that was fresh in the minds of a great many people then, for those curious minded of forum history it is *well worth* a thorough perusing. And as the old saying goes, those that don't know their history are bound to repeat it...

    I had pretty much just fallen off the pumpkin truck at the time, was very green and wet behind the ears. When you see old posts of mine there, it's a good gauge of comparison for how much some of what are now today's old forum dogs, have grown and changed since then.

    Cheers

    http://nexusxroads.info/forum/forumd...e-Avalon-Files
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    Thanks Fred for the thread ...

    Here's some more early original PA renegade offshoots forums to add here as well ...

    The Altra Vista Forum (Nov 2008-2010) - which many banned former members
    descended upon - which i was member, but later (ironically) banned there
    myself for remaining an ongoing member of PA ... Which later it became a
    private (owner paranoid) forum ... Lots of people from the original Project Camelot
    whistle blowers such as John Lear etc ...

    And of course The Mist Of Avalon started (April 2010) by Carol the original PA Coordinator ...

    And last but not lest - the small but solid group of former PA members at The Force Is WithIn You (2010) ...

    Note: I also was a member at the Nexus Forum and also stay in contact with some of the old crew there and all the others mentioned above.

    Looking forward to further contributions here ...
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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    old forum dogs, have grown and changed since then.
    Cheers
    I used to read PA and then joined in around the time Bill Brock(whatever) was popular for a minute. The reason I recall that is because one of my first posts was that I could not perceive him as being truthful and wondered why he had grabbed people's attention?

    One thing I have been thinking about is the build up to the big event expected in 2012. I never really expected there to be one special day when everything changed. It seemed to me that this is an era when we COULD finally develop the path of seeing new ideas and choosing the best of possibilities and applying them. I still look to forums as a source of information.

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    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    For anyone interested, Nexus was the original spin off from Bill Ryan's original Project Avalon after the great Charles/Atticus debacle (similar to it's former incarnation as Project Serpo), and if I recall correctly TOT was the second.
    I'm not sure whether The One Truth would have been the second offshoot from Project Avalon, Fred. I think there may have been a few others in the meantime as well, such as The Mists Of Avalon.

    I also seem to remember that Bill Ryan himself posted something on the main Project Avalon website — not on the forum itself — about the big schism that had occurred between himself and Stephen "Charles"/"Atticus" Hodges. As I understand it, "Atticus" took several Avalon members — including Ruth, Bill Ryan's Austrian assistant and then-girlfriend — with him over to another forum. Would that have been the Nexus forum then, or was this still another one?

    By the way, some of our former staff members (e.g. Spiral) and one of our current staff members (i.e. Dreamtimer) are also not former Project Avalon members, but rather former Project Camelot members, and that also goes for many of our regular members. And so one could say that, in a way, Project Avalon itself would be an offshoot of Project Camelot — which it was, in essence, even though Bill Ryan and Kerry Cassidy were still working together as interviewers when Project Avalon was created.

    As you probably know already, I myself am an ex-Avalon member, but my residence there was rather short. I joined up at Project Avalon on 14.01.2014, and I was banned from there (and by The Hat Man™ himself) on 18.03.2015. Knowing that I was about to get banned from there, I joined up here at The One Truth on 17.03.2015 as per a recommendation by DNA.

    Many of my former Avalon friends were registered here as well, and from day one, I was made to feel very welcome here by the residents and the staff alike. The atmosphere was completely different here, and I've never felt a need to look back. I don't even know the official reason as to why I was banned from Project Avalon, because I've never bothered trying to log back in there. (I do of course know the actual reason why I was banned, but I'm sure that Señor Ryan will have put a nice spin on that, such as "working against the forum", or something of the likes. He is after all so very good at spin-doctoring, isn't he? )

    Quote Originally posted by Fred Steeves View Post
    There's not much left of ole Nexus any more [...]
    As I understand it, Richard ran into the problem of not being able to financially support the Nexus forum anymore, and even though he put in a few requests for member donations, not enough members cared to donate, leaving Richard no other option but to call it quits.

    Or at least, that was the official story, because if Richard stopped paying for the forum, then who's paying for it now? It may not be active anymore as a forum, but apparently it's still online, which means that somebody must be paying for the domain name and the web hosting.





    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Here's some more early original PA renegade offshoots forums to add here as well ...

    The Alta Vista Forum (Nov 2008-2010) - which many banned former members
    descended upon - which i was member, but later (ironically) banned there
    myself for remaining an ongoing member of PA ... Which later it became a
    private (owner paranoid) forum ... Lots of people from the original Project Camelot
    whistle blowers such as John Lear etc ...

    And of course The Mist Of Avalon started (April 2010) by Carol the original PA Coordinator ...

    And last but not lest - the small but solid group of former PA members at The Force Is WithIn You (2010) ...

    [...]
    Did the Imaginative Worlds forum also start off as an offshoot from Project Avalon, by any chance? I am not and have never been a member there — although I have visited that forum a few times in the past — but I did notice that they have many members in common with both The One Truth and Project Avalon.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post

    Did the Imaginative Worlds forum also start off as an offshoot from Project Avalon, by any chance? I am not and have never been a member there — although I have visited that forum a few times in the past — but I did notice that they have many members in common with both The One Truth and Project Avalon.
    That's a new for me, note none of the posting avatar names listed do not ring any bells
    for me, but of course there could always be former PA members there about's ?

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    Wink

    Do note Aragorn ...

    Scientologist trainers are excellent spin doctors ...

    Couldn't resist ...



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    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    That's a new for me, note none of the posting avatar names listed do not ring any bells
    for me, but of course there could always be former PA members there about's ?
    Well, many of the people who are (or have been) registered at Imaginative Worlds and who are (or have been) members of The One Truth and/or Project Avalon have indeed chosen to use different screen names.

    One reason — albeit not the only reason, I'm sure — is the fact that Bill Ryan obsessively keeps a list of all Project Avalon members who are also registered here at The One Truth [*], and possibly also of Avalon members who are registered at yet other forums. Bill Ryan has already banned members for speaking out against either himself or against Project Avalon over at other forums, so it would make sense, at least in the case of people who are still registered at Project Avalon, that they would be going undercover while posting at other forums. We do have a couple of members here who are also registered at Project Avalon and who do indeed use another screen name here than they do over there.


    [*] We have been informed of such by former Project Avalon staff members.
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    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Do note Aragorn ...

    Scientologist trainers are excellent spin doctors ...

    Couldn't resist ...


    Oh my.... did he also put on a bra?

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    I'm not sure whether The One Truth would have been the second offshoot from Project Avalon, Fred. I think there may have been a few others in the meantime as well, such as The Mists Of Avalon.
    I could very well have that timing wrong, I guess the important thing is only that it was in the mix somewhere. I do recall it caused quite the stir though.

    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    As I understand it, Richard ran into the problem of not being able to financially support the Nexus forum anymore, and even though he put in a few requests for member donations, not enough members cared to donate, leaving Richard no other option but to call it quits.

    Or at least, that was the official story, because if Richard stopped paying for the forum, then who's paying for it now? It may not be active anymore as a forum, but apparently it's still online, which means that somebody must be paying for the domain name and the web hosting.
    It was complicated, with Nexus itself splintering off into oblivion in yet other forums. Richard has found another way to keep it afloat on his own, but it really is pretty much good as dead any more. Some of the old veterans pop in every now and then, but that's about it.

    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    [...]Did the Imaginative Worlds forum also start off as an offshoot from Project Avalon, by any chance?
    IW was a totally independent entity from this neck of the woods. When TOT itself had that big explosion during Corey's blue bird show, that was a resting place the roving band of ex members found to roost for a time. That was yet another very interesting time.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Did the Imaginative Worlds forum also start off as an offshoot from Project Avalon, by any chance? I am not and have never been a member there — although I have visited that forum a few times in the past — but I did notice that they have many members in common with both The One Truth and Project Avalon.
    There was an exodus of folks who left TOT in the summer of 2015. These folks posted on Imaginative Worlds for a while.
    I think this is the only connection.

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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Well, many of the people who are (or have been) registered at Imaginative Worlds and who are (or have been) members of The One Truth and/or Project Avalon have indeed chosen to use different screen names.

    One reason — albeit not the only reason, I'm sure — is the fact that Bill Ryan obsessively keeps a list of all Project Avalon members who are also registered here at The One Truth [*], and possibly also of Avalon members who are registered at yet other forums. Bill Ryan has already banned members for speaking out against either himself or against Project Avalon over at other forums, so it would make sense, at least in the case of people who are still registered at Project Avalon, that they would be going undercover while posting at other forums. We do have a couple of members here who are also registered at Project Avalon and who do indeed use another screen name here than they do over there.


    [*] We have been informed of such by former Project Avalon staff members.

    Yes sad but very true ...
    Again paranoia is very much a trademark of the OWNER'S mindset there
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    I have removed my previous post to provide greater comfort for the dual citizens. I want them to feel comfortable, and safe, being here. Nuff said.

    I leave Aragorn to make his own decision.
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    Between this and the women without shrubberies, you've had me rolling on the floor laughing twice already today, Brother.
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    Quote Originally posted by Aragorn View Post
    Between this and the women without shrubberies, you've had me rolling on the floor laughing twice already today, Brother.
    Thanks. I do not expect any "dual citizens" to thank my post. The wrath of Souron would come down on them. The Hat sees all. (spelling is as intended. Based on the word sour)
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    Wow, I didn't know this was going to turn into a let's dump all over Bill Ryan thread.
    I don't want any part of it.
    I feel I've been around long enough to know a few of the perceived mistakes that have been made.
    I've made a few myself.
    But given a long enough time line we are all going to screw up. Every single one of us.
    I feel Bill Ryan's intentions are for the far greater portion benevolent and aimed for the greater good.
    People are frail creatures when it comes to our feelings our emotions and how we perceive actions we interprete as offensive.

    A couple of months ago I posted on a thread over at Avalon, and I had the entire mod staff, Bill Ryan himself and not a few Avalon members all over me. I had given my personal take on Bob Dean being a sociopath. I think he is one. I wasn't really looking to paint Bob Dean in a bad light, I wasn't looking to dump on Bob Dean, it was my objective to show how sociopaths are quite capable of doing good, and in fact they carry such powers of charm and charisma as to be able to do amazing things. And try as I might to explain this, no one could get past the word "sociopath".
    This word served as a trigger for Bill Ryan, and once he voices his opposition and condemnation the Mods and everyone else consider you fair game, you are no longer protected by the forum guidelines. I was grilled pretty harshly.
    I didn't post on Avalon for a month and seriously considered leaving the forum over the incident.
    But I didn't.
    Everyone is prone to over react from time to time, and everyone is going to be wrong from time to time.
    I felt Bill was wrong in his not letting me explain the point of my comments, and I absolutely felt he was wrong for making me a target on a forum with guidelines that are supposed to prohibit such.
    But at the end of the day the guy is only human, and I've by far benefited from his research and opinions far more than I've had to endure a few barbs.

    For those who have had some bad experiences and feel wronged let me express a personal apology and a sincere hope for whatever wrongs happened to be healed. The guy is human and of course is going to make mistakes, all in all I think most of the folks here have in one way or another benefitted greatly from his forum and in some ways still continue to benefit.

    This is all I have to say on this.
    Have a good day.
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