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    Will share this here ...

    Quote Originally posted by giovonni View Post
    Perhaps the only hope in restoring the Republic is calling for a Constitutional Convention ...

    Otherwise we are really just employees (property) of corporate banking high jinks - all perpetrated illegally.

    And i believe it should be dissolved and put finally out of business !

    A reminder ...

    "To even begin to understand what has happened to the Republic, we must look backward in time to the period following the Civil War. We must go back to the year 1871, which was the beginning of the decline of the Republic. When we examine what happened during that time in our history, we begin to piece together this troubling, perplexing puzzle that is "America" — only then should we answer as to whether we are indeed a "free" people or not" ...

    UNITED STATES is a Corporation


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    I agree with everything presented in the video, gio. The Republic was abolished in 1871. We have been living under a corporate oligarchy orchestrated by the Globalist Banksters ever since.

    However, calling for a Constitutional Convention is the worst possible thing we can do.

    Do you have any idea what sort of document will come out of a Convention at this point in history? Do you suppose the Convention could ever get an agreement on any of the existing Articles of the Constitution as they were written in 1776? A Constitutional Convention would open the entire document to re-negotiation. Any document resulting from a Constitutional Convention would NOT remotely resemble the original. ....And consider who the delegates to the Convention would represent. Do you suppose the Globalists would "buy" the delegates with all the money in the world at their disposal?

    The way to correct the situation, is to repeal the Act of 1871. It's that simple....
    Perhaps ...

    Though ...

    This illegal 'Act' ion did go on to allow for the creation of the now infamous Federal Reserve
    in December 23, 1913, when President Woodrow Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act into law, it stood as a classic example of compromise—a decentralized central bank that balanced the competing interests of private banks and populist sentiment ... While allowing international banking interest a back door into the U.S. Government finances from then onward to present times.
    And on and on it has gone ... So much so - that at this long point down the road in my life, I'm beginning to see (and agree) any fix (to a Constitutional Convention) would never do justice or restore the original ideals of the U.S. Constitution. To worry about it almost seems futile ... So I will leave it to the young to sort it all out for themselves. Though I sense Mother Earth will sort it out way before them ... And I sense everyone here knows what I mean by saying that..
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    I was not at all interested in the political info until election night. I was impressed by RT because it seemed intelligent journalism. I heard Lionel for the first time there and like Lionel these days. He does ramble a bit. He may be a bit self appreciative (hehe) but he is smart IMO and funny.


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    LOL


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7GEa7r8Vyk


    LOL

    You can't make this cr4p up, not even if you tried. Trump is a genius.

    That led to a decision to delete footage of Trump giving his hotel the kind of inspection viewers of North Korean state television would find familiar.
    So the media pool wants access, and they show it by deleting footage because they don't agree with details they signed up to report on?

    The obvious inflection in their journalism designed to appear justified does nothing to demonstrate their professionalism in the area they work in. It only shows an aptitude of word-smithing.

    The article repeats at least 3 times that "Reporters who covered Clinton’s 2008 campaign have attested to the fact that neither the candidate nor her staff ever raised doubts about Obama’s birthplace, even as the myth that they did has become an article of faith in the right-wing blogosphere."

    But what they fail to notice is that a super-pac backing Clinton might have done exactly that. And while technically it could be argued that they are separate non-coordinating groups (not easily argued after the Veritas videos but...) the cozy separation between election campaigns and super-pacs doesn't fool anyone except the media.
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    Quote Originally posted by lift the veil View Post
    So, you know Entitlement programs include Social Security and Medicare, and they account for the mother load of our spending when compared to "welfare" programs. [emphasis by Exit 0] Of course that is why the ELITE want to cut ALL ENTITLEMENT PROGRAMS. They see all people that are not of the ELITE as useless eaters to be gotten rid of.

    Maybe people should focus on the ELITE rather than the vilified poor. That is how the Elite divide and conquer all non-elite people. They have us fighting each other rather than looking at them. They see us all as useless eaters to be easily manipulated and tricked into defeating each other.

    Maybe the Elite should start paying their share, but no TRUMP wants to give them more TAX CUTS. The Bush tax cuts for the wealthy (and his phony wars) is what ballooned our deficit and Trump wants to give more tax cuts for the wealthy. That is why both conservative and liberal economists who looked at his economic plan said our current deficit would explode under the TRUMP plan, i.e. WELFARE FOR THE RICH PLAN.

    But of course Trump needs to pay off his rich supporters and friends with a friendly TAX CUT, after all he is a billionaire, i.e., ELITIST and not AN AVERAGE AMERICAN WORKER.
    Sorry lift, but I'm not buyin' it.... Social Security isn't the same thing as welfare. Everyone collecting Social Security paid into that system with every paycheck they ever received, throughout their working life. Money is taken out of my Social Security check every month to pay for my Medicare Enrolment (just like insurance). The system was designed to be self supporting, if every able bodied American were working. The problem with the Social Security System being in the red, lies with all the deadbeats on welfare, the so-called "vilified poor". Factor-in the abuse of Medicaid and, welfare is robing the working class - not the Global Elite.

    [It was the neo-cons (those corporate socialists), the Bush Dynasty back to pre WWII, the Clinton Machine, also including Obama, and his communist ilk, who drove Social Security into the welfare designation.]

    Trump is an incredibly savvy business man. He built his fortune through "playing" the system, with the help of his family fortune. (That's what families do) The Progressive Liberal movement would crush anyone with the intelligence and drive to succeed, all the while putting the achievers into the same category as the Global Elite. Progressives look to blame all the rich, never realizing it is the super rich (the closed bloodline-families of the Global Elite) who run the gameboard; ignoring the fact that it is the wealthy businessmen who create the jobs. Tax cuts for the successful, will create the necessary jobs to make Social Security work again. Forcing people who are able to work off of welfare, will stop bleeding the system (those vilified poor). This is what is penalizing the working man.

    Now.... as for the (less than) 1% who are controlling the world, those are the ones whom everyone should unite to bring-down. One must first realize these Global Elite aren't human. They represent a minuscule, specific bloodline of human-hybrids... they work (have always worked) in alliance with extra-dimensional masters; for the lack of a better word, "demons".

    The Global Elite (the less than 1%) will never "pay their fare share". This small group of individuals control over 90% of the Global Wealth.

    This Globalist Alliance - the under 1% Global Elite + the Extra-Dimensional Demons - are very clever at what they do....
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    There is an anti-establishment revolution taking place......

    "So you say you want a revolution? Well don't worry, it's already happening and it has nothing whatsoever to do with the political game that the ruling oligarchs entice you to play once every four years. As the radical decentralization transforms the economy and finance and manufacturing and the media itself, the only question is whether or not you're taking part in it. Yes, the revolution is happening, and no, it will not be televised."


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVJo-3JbCdY


    Go here for links to show notes solutions
    #NotMyPresident? #DrainTheSwamp? The REAL Revolution Is Already Here

    Solutions: The Peer-to-Peer Economy

    Solutions: 3D Printing

    Anarchy in Action: Spontaneous Order

    Dear Government, Deliver Us From Freedom

    P2P Solutions: An Open Source Investigation

    Solutions: Freedom Cells

    Solutions: Agorism

    Solutions: Make Your Own Media
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    Quote Originally posted by Exit 0 View Post
    Sorry lift, but I'm not buyin' it.... Social Security isn't the same thing as welfare. Everyone collecting Social Security paid into that system with every paycheck they ever received, throughout their working life. Money is taken out of my Social Security check every month to pay for my Medicare Enrolment (just like insurance). The system was designed to be self supporting, if every able bodied American were working. The problem with the Social Security System being in the red, lies with all the deadbeats on welfare, the so-called "vilified poor". Factor-in the abuse of Medicaid and, welfare is robing the working class - not the Global Elite.
    I am sure the Elite appreciate how the working class divides itself and points fingers each other, all the while the Elite get richer and fleece the American worker.

    There are many WORKING Americans who draw government assistance, due in part to being paid extremely low wages. 30% of the WORKforce receives public assistance. Maybe corporations such as Walmart should start paying their employees a living wage. How many billions in profits do they need? They made 14.7 billion last year. Maybe they could spare a little profit and pay their employees a living wage. Walmart is using the federal government to supplement its labor costs. Maybe people should demand that CORPORATE WELFARE end. (On a personal note, this is why my family boycotts WALMART AND SAMS CLUB.)

    Again, I am sure the Elite like the Walton family appreciate how the working class divides itself all the while they get richer.

    Trump doesn't want to increase the minimum wage to help the WORKING POOR. Either he doesn't care about them, or he cares more about his rich friends' profits. Probably both.

    From a Republican debate http://time.com/4107636/transcript-r...-in-milwaukee/

    CAVUTO:

    So do not raise the minimum wage?

    TRUMP:

    I would not do it.


    A majority of low-wage workers earn so little they must rely on public assistance to make ends meet

    Economic Snapshot • By David Cooper • February 9, 2016

    http://www.epi.org/publication/a-maj...ake-ends-meet/

    There is an enduring myth that people who rely on public assistance are unwilling to work. However, there are 41.2 million working Americans (nearly 30 percent of the workforce) who receive public assistance—and nearly half of these workers (19.3 million) have full-time jobs. Not surprisingly, these workers are concentrated in jobs paying low hourly wages. A majority (53.1 percent) of workers earning less than $12.16 per hour—the bottom 30 percent of wage earners—earn so little on the job that they must rely on public assistance to make ends meet.

    ECONOMIC SNAPSHOT
    A majority of low-wage workers earn so little that they must rely on public assistance to make ends meet
    Share of workers who receive public assistance directly or through a family member

    Receive public assistance Don’t receive public assistance
    All workers 29.3% 70.7%
    Low-wage workers (earning up to $12.16/hr) 53.1% 46.9%

    Note: Low-wage workers are defined as the bottom 30% of wage earners, making $12.16 or less.

    When corporations pay wages so low that working people must rely on public assistance, taxpayers are effectively subsidizing these companies to make up the difference between what workers make and what they need to support themselves and their families. Meanwhile, corporations continue to post extraordinarily high profits and CEOs’ salaries continue to climb. Of the many policies that would lift wages, raising the minimum wage is the simplest way to help millions of low-paid workers pay the bills and ensure that businesses are doing their fair share to provide working families with the means to a decent life. Higher wages would also free up billions of dollars that could be used to strengthen anti-poverty programs, fund new education initiatives, or make economy-boosting investments.
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    I see it more as a Renaissance not a revolution(in regards to Maggie's post above)...I think he's using the wrong term, imo. I also wouldn't be throwing Uber into the mix...my understanding was the whole point of Uber was to do exactly the opposite of what this guy is saying...which is shutting down all the competition because Uber is unregulated there-by creating a monopoly which does not benefit the consumer. I know there's more to it...and I could swear I read or heard somewhere that it was a Rockefeller invention??? Would have to do more digging to clarify. But I know a lot of people aren't too happy with Uber. In fact they left our area because they didn't want to cooperate with the regulations our city required of them.

    Talk about 'draining the swap', this is a good move and something you would have never seen happen within the Clinton campaign...I just read this article:
    PENCE PURGES CHRISTIE SELECTED LOBBYISTS FROM TRANSITION TEAM

    http://www.infowars.com/pence-purges...ansition-team/

    "Vice President-elect Mike Pence has purged lobbyists placed in key transition leadership roles by Chris Christie, the former head of Trump’s transition team.

    Pence signed a memorandum of understanding Tuesday, formally placing him in charge of the transition team after New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was removed from the position by Donald Trump last week.

    During his time heading the transition team, Christie placed a number of lobbyists, former bureaucrats, academics and corporate lawyers in key leadership positions, alienating many Trump allies who felt their inclusion conflicted with Trump’s pledge to “drain the swamp” in Washington, DC.

    Upon replacing Christie, Pence immediately ordered the removal of lobbyists and other Christie-appointed figures from the transition team."
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    Quote Originally posted by Divine Feminine View Post
    I see it more as a Renaissance not a revolution(in regards to Maggie's post above)...I think he's using the wrong term, imo. I also wouldn't be throwing Uber into the mix...my understanding was the whole point of Uber was to do exactly the opposite of what this guy is saying...which is shutting down all the competition because Uber is unregulated there-by creating a monopoly which does not benefit the consumer. I know there's more to it...and I could swear I read or heard somewhere that it was a Rockefeller invention??? Would have to do more digging to clarify. But I know a lot of people aren't too happy with Uber. In fact they left our area because they didn't want to cooperate with the regulations our city required of them.

    Talk about 'draining the swap', this is a good move and something you would have never seen happen within the Clinton campaign...I just read this article:
    PENCE PURGES CHRISTIE SELECTED LOBBYISTS FROM TRANSITION TEAM

    http://www.infowars.com/pence-purges...ansition-team/

    "Vice President-elect Mike Pence has purged lobbyists placed in key transition leadership roles by Chris Christie, the former head of Trump’s transition team.

    Pence signed a memorandum of understanding Tuesday, formally placing him in charge of the transition team after New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was removed from the position by Donald Trump last week.

    During his time heading the transition team, Christie placed a number of lobbyists, former bureaucrats, academics and corporate lawyers in key leadership positions, alienating many Trump allies who felt their inclusion conflicted with Trump’s pledge to “drain the swamp” in Washington, DC.

    Upon replacing Christie, Pence immediately ordered the removal of lobbyists and other Christie-appointed figures from the transition team."
    I agree. I sense more Renaissance than revolution in what is happening.
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    Ya..there's seems to be a negative connotation behind the word 'revolution'. Not that I'm trying to be the word police or anything.
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    Quote Originally posted by Divine Feminine View Post
    I see it more as a Renaissance not a revolution(in regards to Maggie's post above)...I think he's using the wrong term, imo. I also wouldn't be throwing Uber into the mix...my understanding was the whole point of Uber was to do exactly the opposite of what this guy is saying...which is shutting down all the competition because Uber is unregulated there-by creating a monopoly which does not benefit the consumer. I know there's more to it...and I could swear I read or heard somewhere that it was a Rockefeller invention??? Would have to do more digging to clarify. But I know a lot of people aren't too happy with Uber. In fact they left our area because they didn't want to cooperate with the regulations our city required of them.

    Talk about 'draining the swap', this is a good move and something you would have never seen happen within the Clinton campaign...I just read this article:
    PENCE PURGES CHRISTIE SELECTED LOBBYISTS FROM TRANSITION TEAM

    http://www.infowars.com/pence-purges...ansition-team/

    "Vice President-elect Mike Pence has purged lobbyists placed in key transition leadership roles by Chris Christie, the former head of Trump’s transition team.

    Pence signed a memorandum of understanding Tuesday, formally placing him in charge of the transition team after New Jersey Governor Chris Christie was removed from the position by Donald Trump last week.

    During his time heading the transition team, Christie placed a number of lobbyists, former bureaucrats, academics and corporate lawyers in key leadership positions, alienating many Trump allies who felt their inclusion conflicted with Trump’s pledge to “drain the swamp” in Washington, DC.

    Upon replacing Christie, Pence immediately ordered the removal of lobbyists and other Christie-appointed figures from the transition team."

    LOL. The title of the article says CHRISTIE SELECTED lobbyist were removed. Were ALL the lobbyists removed????

    Excerpt/list below is from, Insurgent Trump taps GOP insiders, lobbyists for transition
    Veterans of two Bush administrations and Romney transition lay the groundwork for his presidency.


    By ANDREW RESTUCCIA, ISAAC ARNSDORF and NANCY COOK 11/11/16 05:07 AM EST

    ((Politico acquired a list of his transition team which include the following lobbyists. ))http://www.politico.com/story/2016/1...bbyists-231224


    But his transition team includes lobbyists who represent powerful corporate interests, according to an organization chart obtained by POLITICO and lobby disclosure filings:

    Cindy Hayden of tobacco giant, Altria, is in charge of Trump’s Homeland Security team.

    J. Steven Hart, chairman of Williams & Jensen, is in charge of the Labor team. His clients include Visa, the American Council of Life Insurers, Anthem, Cheniere Energy, Coca-Cola, General Electric, PhRMA and United Airlines.

    Michael McKenna of MWR Strategies, who is working on the Energy Department team, lobbies for Engie (formerly GDF Suez), Southern Company and Dow Chemical.

    David Bernhardt of Brownstein Hyatt Farber Schreck who leads the Interior Department team, lobbies for the Westlands Water District in central California and used to represent Freeport LNG and Rosemont Copper.

    Michael Torrey, who has the Agriculture Department portfolio, has his own firm representing the American Beverage Association and the Crop Insurance and Reinsurance Bureau.

    Mike Catanzaro of CGCN Group, lobbies for the American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, a refining group, as well as Hess, Encana, Noble Energy and Devon Energy. Catanzaro is working on energy independence, along with Mike Ference, a lobbyist at the firm S-3 Group, representing Halliburton, Koch Industries and Marathon Oil.

    Rolf Lundberg, who’s tasked with trade reform, worked at the Chamber of Commerce until 2013 and spun off his own lobbying firm representing Choice Hotels and the International Franchise Association.

    Jim Carter, who oversees tax reform, is an in-house lobbyist for manufacturing company Emerson.

    Transportation and infrastructure is being led by Martin Whitmer, the founder partner of lobbying firm Whitmer & Worrall who represents the American Association of Railroads, the National Asphalt Pavement Association and the Utilities Technology Council.

    It is not known whether Trump will allow former lobbyists to serve in his administration -- instead of simply limiting what they do after leaving government. Unlike Trump, Hillary Clinton’s transition team banned lobbyists altogether and made staff sign a code of ethics requiring transition officials to recuse themselves from working on any issue on which they have lobbied in the past year.

    A person close to Trump’s transition told POLITICO that he has not heard any discussion about limiting the role of lobbyists in Trump’s administration.

    “When you lock lobbyists out, you’re really handcuffing yourself,” the person said. “It looks good on paper and it sounds good … But you’re cheating yourself and really limiting the talent pool.”
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    Hey lift the veil....we all know Trump has some deficiencies, nobody thinks he's going to be perfect. So you can keep going on and on, with your rants, but what does it accomplish? If you feel you can't get enough, then maybe you should start another thread and continue with the rants?
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    Rants? Its called putting the truth out there. Is it inconvenient for you?

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    So, what is the deal with this lobbyist purge?? If you read the hill article below you will see that Mike Rogers was removed from the team but replaced with Hoekstra who is a......registered lobbyist. So are they purging lobbyists but then replacing them with other lobbyists? I guess they could claim that they got rid of the lobbyist and still not be lying.

    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefi...ransition-team

    Former rep Mike Rogers (R-Mich.), once seen as a candidate to lead the CIA, had also left the Trump transition team. Rogers had been told that those brought on by Christie were being let go, the Journal reported.

    The same report said former Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.) had been brought in as one replacement for Rogers.

    Hoekstra is a registered lobbyist at Williams & Jensen, according to lobbying disclosure records, with clients including Visa, insurance company Anthem, Eli Lilly & Company, General Electric, the Security Traders Association, PhRMA, Dell and the American Business Group of Abu Dhabi, among others.
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    Yes, you are coming across as ranting...I was very clear that I didn't even vote for Trump or did you even bother to read that portion? So it has nothing to do with being 'inconvenient' for me. I've chosen to put focus on the positive aspects and hope for the best. You'll never find the perfect President that makes everyone happy. I have no inside connections to help identify the Trump strategy so I will patiently watch and save judgement for later. You can complain about every move he makes, but it's not going to change a thing.
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    So, putting the truth out there is not going to make a difference? Ignorance is what leads people to be used and mislead. Con artists like Drumpf count on ignorance.

    I will leave you all to wallow in Trumplandia.

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    I don't think so....not with this group...most of us already know Trump has issues.

    ooh, but I have a better idea....start a thread showing how Hillary's policies would be better if she was the President elect...unless of course you don't like her either....I don't know your stance. It could be something like....Hillary's First 100 Days In Office

    Here's a wikipedia page to help you out with ideas of her direction:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton

    EDIT TO ADD:
    Don't be shy, it doesn't have to be lift the veil, anyone can start it....Don't forget to put the promotion of AGENDA 21/FUTURE EARTH/AGENDA 2030 policies and procedures. I can help you with dates and executive orders on that one if you need points of reference.
    Last edited by Divine Feminine, 16th November 2016 at 21:33.
    "We never left you...."- ELizabeth Marie from the E.T. race The ELohim 5/19/2017

    From my astrological chart:
    "Your function is to be a MESSENGER, a link or bridge between people and between ideas, whether through teaching or speaking, selling or simply circulating socially....you are able to flow into the perception of Unity, and you become a messenger for the truth."
    Please don't shoot the messenger, I am here to help when and where I can.

    No I am not Wes Penre.

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