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    Everything as such is energy, evil is energy, even if of the mind, transmutation and/or transformation of evil makes most sense to myself and that experience.

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    Thank you Novusod, I can see much more clearly where you are coming from now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jonsnow View Post
    Without money or banks we would be in a very dark age of slaves of the very wealthy
    The success of Gaddafi's Libya already proved this to be false. Far from being a dark age it was the opposite. People were given housing, land for farming, FREE healthcare, and educations; electricity was cheap and fuel was abundant. The people loved him and cheered him. The country had NO debt. Need I repeat that Libya had no debt and yet was still able to provide things for the people. Freeing people from Rothschild's banking oligarchs was a boon for humanity. So successful was Libya it had to be toppled in an unjust war of naked aggression.

    No amount of violence can ever make the frauds not be frauds. The truth of it all is being exposed.


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    WAR what is it good for?



    As Putin said recently Americans live in a bubble of propaganda.



    If you see something reported in the mainstream media it is probably a lie. Don't believe a word of anything they say.

    Lets take a look at some other perspectives: The real reason America hates North Korea. North Koreans are woke "AF" to the plans of the New World Order. Our media will drone on and on about how North Koreans are brainwashed. Well you be the judge of who is brainwashed.

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    There is a way to balance good and evil. I agree with an earlier posting where a member commented that money is neither good or evil.

    The way to balance is simple. Do not purchase a good or service is it is provided by someone who does not share your cultural values.

    By purchasing goods and services from people who do share your values, you financially support businesses who uphold cultural values and traditions.

    If everyone does this, businesses with poor values will go broke.

    Furthermore, if everyone does this, we are basically purchasing a society with sound cultural values. Every dollar is a vote; when spent, the vote is cast to which business should prosper. Those businesses that get no votes fail.

    The decision to purchase an item because it is cheaper, is a vote for cheapness. If we do not care about the the inhuman slave-like conditions of a sweatshop when we purchase a cheap product, we are endorsing that companies poor standard of human value!

    There is a critical mass of like minded people required to make the adoption of this method of spending sustainable. After that point the community creates its own business opportunities to supply the market demand it creates.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lcam88 View Post


    There is a way to balance good and evil. I agree with an earlier posting where a member commented that money is neither good or evil.

    The way to balance is simple. Do not purchase a good or service is it is provided by someone who does not share your cultural values.

    By purchasing goods and services from people who do share your values, you financially support businesses who uphold cultural values and traditions.

    If everyone does this, businesses with poor values will go broke.

    Furthermore, if everyone does this, we are basically purchasing a society with sound cultural values. Every dollar is a vote; when spent, the vote is cast to which business should prosper. Those businesses that get no votes fail.

    The decision to purchase an item because it is cheaper, is a vote for cheapness. If we do not care about the the inhuman slave-like conditions of a sweatshop when we purchase a cheap product, we are endorsing that companies poor standard of human value!

    There is a critical mass of like minded people required to make the adoption of this method of spending sustainable. After that point the community creates its own business opportunities to supply the market demand it creates.
    I like this statement. I am veering into woowoo but I see money as a thought form with a life we have given. But IMO it has been in poverty as we have been. I look at it as currency that wants to flow. That we name it such is not a BAD sign but to the good. If we flow it as fast as it wishes, it is a forceful power. If we pool the dollars they make a tremendous river

    Like the story Stone Soup where people held onto their carrots ad potatoes in fear, everyone was more hungry. The trick of "stone soup" cajoled all into sharing their small hoarded bits to make a great soup.

    I appreciate that it is the use of money that makes it either useful or useless. As numbers on paper, it is illusion. As the means to supply what is needed it has real value.
    I love money, not as a end but as a means. I also really believe that money has had its feelings very hurt and wants our LOVE and wants to love us back.
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    Surely money can't be good or evil? Isn't it more of a tool? Can a hammer or wrench be evil?

    I mostly agree with the sentiment of this thread and absolutely agree about faked scarcity but of late my thoughts are that, to a degree, the problem isn't even the "system". The "system" is merely a symptom. I see the problem as being the idea of "authority" itself. The idea that someone has to be in charge. As has been pointed out NO political system has "worked". Even in a "socialist paradise" there are still 2 classes of people. Those in charge and those that are not.

    In fact I am of the opinion that there are no free people on earth (who are not in the master class), everyone has to live under someone else's law.

    I liked the quote "If you need violence to enforce your ideas, your ideas are worthless" but I would break it down a bit differently.

    All laws are either redundant (in that we as people know that it is wrong ie murder, theft etc) or enslaving (forcing people to act in ways they normally never would ie funding warmongers through "taxes")

    I am sincerely starting to believe that the only way out of this mess for us is Anarchy (or self rule). We need a return (did we ever actually have it?) to complete personal responsibility. This post has been a little scattershot but I would wholeheartedly recommend Larken Rose's book The Most Dangerous Superstition. I have also found a lot of Mark Passio's work in this area very helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemual View Post
    Surely money can't be good or evil? Isn't it more of a tool? Can a hammer or wrench be evil?

    I mostly agree with the sentiment of this thread and absolutely agree about faked scarcity but of late my thoughts are that, to a degree, the problem isn't even the "system". The "system" is merely a symptom. I see the problem as being the idea of "authority" itself. The idea that someone has to be in charge. As has been pointed out NO political system has "worked". Even in a "socialist paradise" there are still 2 classes of people. Those in charge and those that are not.

    In fact I am of the opinion that there are no free people on earth (who are not in the master class), everyone has to live under someone else's law.

    I liked the quote "If you need violence to enforce your ideas, your ideas are worthless" but I would break it down a bit differently.

    All laws are either redundant (in that we as people know that it is wrong ie murder, theft etc) or enslaving (forcing people to act in ways they normally never would ie funding warmongers through "taxes")

    I am sincerely starting to believe that the only way out of this mess for us is Anarchy (or self rule). We need a return (did we ever actually have it?) to complete personal responsibility. This post has been a little scattershot but I would wholeheartedly recommend Larken Rose's book The Most Dangerous Superstition. I have also found a lot of Mark Passio's work in this area very helpful.
    Mark Passio is wisdom with an attitude. I really like him despite his simmering contempt for ignorance and apathy. His name is so appropriate as he is passionate about his message and understanding Natural law expressed as love and responsibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by modwiz View Post
    Mark Passio is wisdom with an attitude.
    Haha great way to put it! He's been the "swift kick up the bum" I've needed. Whatever your spiritual beliefs I find his talks on Natural (Universal) Law invaluable and inspirational.

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    Larken Rose definitely has a seat at the mystery school. I have been following him for years. This short video will give you good synopsis of his theories.


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    Quote Originally Posted by modwiz View Post
    Mark Passio is wisdom with an attitude. I really like him despite his simmering contempt for ignorance and apathy. His name is so appropriate as he is passionate about his message and understanding Universal law expressed as love and responsibility.
    I'm pretty sure it was you, Modwiz, who posted his piece on vitriol. I liked it so much I started looking into Mark's work and was well rewarded.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maggie View Post
    I like this statement. I am veering into woowoo but I see money as a thought form with a life we have given. But IMO it has been in poverty as we have been. I look at it as currency that wants to flow. That we name it such is not a BAD sign but to the good. If we flow it as fast as it wishes, it is a forceful power. If we pool the dollars they make a tremendous river

    Like the story Stone Soup where people held onto their carrots ad potatoes in fear, everyone was more hungry. The trick of "stone soup" cajoled all into sharing their small hoarded bits to make a great soup.

    I appreciate that it is the use of money that makes it either useful or useless. As numbers on paper, it is illusion. As the means to supply what is needed it has real value.
    I love money, not as a end but as a means. I also really believe that money has had its feelings very hurt and wants our LOVE and wants to love us back.
    I'm glad you like it. People don't know the value of money (sometimes)

    Poverty is a state of economics that is sometimes separate from the issue knowing the value of money. There are quite a few ideas circulating about the issue, I am of the camp that say the level of prosperity enjoyed by a money circulating society is controlled by he who controls the money supply. If you dry up the circulation, you see more poverty.

    I think that is what you are saying.

    Indeed fiat currency, or even a currency based on precious metals, are representative of the "stored productivity" required to obtain the money. The actual value is an illusion that we create by associating our productivity to the money.

    To me, that is what "Stone Soup" is about. The idea that by combining our productive efforts we can all prosper. That touches on what value oriented consumerism is about, but still, you need a critical mass of people who join forces for the Soup to come out right.

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    As part of the mystery school on money let me introduce you to: The abundance paradox.

    The premise of the abundance paradox is simple yet is kept hidden from the masses to lower their consciousness. As long as you are speaking their language and playing their game they win no matter what. So it is important that people to break out of their preconceived nations about money and shatter the illusions of the matrix by learning to see things from a different perspective. The metaphysical nature of money is that it does not value abundant things at all but instead perversely incentivizes scarcity and destruction. Money is not a creative force, it is a destructive force. This is the mantra of the "Ship of Fools." Abundant things have no value but scarcity is the ONLY value that can be monetized.

    Take for example what is going on at standing rock and the water protectors. We all know that water is life yet the "Ship of Fools" sails on by ramming an oil pipeline through our sacred drinking water. In a monetized society a river of clean water has no value. However, if that river becomes polluted and destroyed then it can be monetized as something of value because clean water is now scarce. People will pay good money for clean water and it can be sold by the bottle. People will NOT pay if it is free and abundant but they will pay after it becomes scarce and is no longer available. This is the paradox of abundance. If you destroy things then they become more valuable. That is a paradox. Destruction creates value in our world because of the inherent way money works. Money does not value abundant things but instead seeks to destroy what is abundant and make it scarce so it becomes valuable through scarcity.

    Here is another example. Would you buy air from a corporation if they sold it in a can? Most people would say no, that is a joke. Air is free and abundant. What if the air was polluted and you couldn't breath it anymore for free without harming your health. Then people would surely pay for it. Think it couldn't happen. It is not a joke. Breathing, something we take for granted is a luxury people pay for in heavily polluted China. Polluted New York and LA also have oxygen bars.


    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xhppHAI7C8


    When mankind was first put on this planet we found a pristine world that could provide for all our needs. This paradise we destroyed and put up a parking lot because we did not understand the abundance paradox. We have met the devil and the devil is us.
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    The next topic on the Mystery school of money is the question: is money a necessary evil?

    Basically the idea goes that money is a necessary evil required to motivate selfish and greedy humans to do things or share their talents. This argument takes many forms and is not always phrased that way. The story of the "Stone soup" is an appeal to the necessary evil argument. Putting rocks in the soup was a necessary evil to convince people to stop hoarding their little bits of carrots and potatoes. However, you can't trick people into this arrangement or justify putting rocks in the soup without first creating artificial scarcity. The truth is you would never have to put rocks in the soup to give the illusion of abundance because we produce more food then we can possibly eat and much of it goes to waste. Putting rocks in the soup is actually an appeal to the illusion of scarcity. Capitalism is itself a "stone soup" on a global scale.



    On the ship of fools we have Malthus saying: "There is no such thing as a Lunch." Capitalism itself arose during the time in which Malthus wrote his theories and he was crucial figure in developing the capitalist ideals. Without Malthus' scarcity concept capitalism never would have existed as no one would have bought the necessary evil argument.

    Man wasn't always as greedy as exists today. For example there was the Ubuntu concept that existed in many African tribes before the white man showed up.



    They understood the dangers of not sharing creates an artificial scarcity that otherwise would not exist. If someone introduces an artificial scarcity into their society such as the anthropologist attempted to do then it must quickly be eliminated.

    There was also a movie made about this called the Gods must be Crazy. A tribesman finds a glass bottle discarded by some careless tourist and brings it back to his village. At first the villagers are amazed by the bottle and then they begin fighting over it because it can't be shared and they don't know how to make more bottles. The tribal elder declares that the gods must be crazy and tells the man who found it to go return the bottle to where it came from. It is kind of like the African version of the Lord of the Rings and taking the ring back to mount doom.

    It is time to take the devil's money and his printing press and throw it the fires of mount doom. The one ring cannot be used for GOOD it must be destroyed.

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    Shout out to donk for mentioning Daniel Quinn in the Standing rock thread. I am not sure how many people are familiar with Quinn's work but he will also have a seat at the mystery school. His allegory of the "Box sitter" described in the book My Ishmael is highly relevant here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Novusod View Post
    there was the Ubuntu concept that existed in many African tribes
    I think the ideas of contributionism are very aligned with my dream of how to live well.
    Ubuntu is represented here

    Contributionism

    “Let each citizen contribute their natural talents or acquired skills to the greater benefit of all in the community.” Michael Tellinger.

    Ubuntu Contributionism is a resource-based economic system that says money is not only unnecessary, but counter to abundance. While a money economy is debt-based and designed to keep us chasing money, Contributionism is "creation's asset based" and designed to utilize each person's unique abilities and skills.

    The moneyless Ubuntu Contribution system is an adaptation of ancient tribal customs and is not based on barter or trade since barter and trading is just another form of money. Everything needed is available to everyone at all times. Hording or accumulating stuff and planning for old age is simply unnecessary.

    Contributionists believe ownership of land as unnecessary, and to be frank, impossible. We are custodians of the land and each custodian is responsible for her care. When we act in harmony with nature, she yields abundance for all.

    In the words of Chief Seattle in 1854, “How can you buy or sell the sky? We do not own the freshness of the air or the sparkle on the water. How then can you buy them from us? Every part of the Earth is sacred to my people, holy in their memory and experience. We know the white man does not understand our ways. He's a stranger who comes in the night and takes from the land whatever he needs. The Earth is not his friend but his enemy, and when he's conquered it he moves on. He kidnaps the Earth from his children....for whatever befalls the Earth, befalls the children of the Earth.”


    Fundamental Principles
    (Adapted from UBUNTU South Africa and the work of Michael Tellinger)

    We, the people of the United States of America, declare for all our country and the world to know that:
    The United States of America and the land are under the care of all who live in it.
    No government has the right to rule the land and the people unless it has been appointed by the people.
    Any appointed body is there to serve the people of the people and implement the will of the people at all times.
    The people retain the right to replace any appointed body at any time if they feel their needs are not being served by such body.
    No "government" entity, individual, or corporation can claim ownership of the land or any part thereof.
    We, the people of the United States of America, all free and equal, adopt this freedom charter.

    The people govern themselves
    Any existing structures created are based on the will of the people on a local level.
    Tribal structures with a council of elders may be implemented to assist, guide, resource, and facilitate communities.
    Tribal councils adopt the fundamental principles of Contributionism to enhance their ability to facilitate the resourcing of the people.
    Every man and woman is a potential candidate for all councils and bodies who assist, resource, and facilitate communities.
    All people retain their creator-given freedoms and responsibilities and may at any time choose to act as their own elders and resource facilitators.

    All people are equal
    The principle of unity is the foundation of all communities and guiding bodies.
    All people may utilize their own language or communication modalities and develop their own culture and customs as long as they do not infringe on the customs of others.
    The diversity and beauty of our cultures and languages are promoted and celebrated as widely as possible.
    All communities and tribal groups are protected by law against any and all threats to their culture and communities.
    Every person's contribution to the community, however large or small, is valued as equally important as any other.
    There are no hierarchies or levels of superiority on any aspect of society.
    The use of money and wealth as tools of separation, segregation, and discrimination are abolished.

    The people share the country's wealth and resources
    The national wealth/resources of the country are restored to the people. "Be free and harm no one" law is installed to protect the people on all fronts.
    All mineral wealth above and below the ground will be protected by the people and used for the benefit of all people and all communities. No individual or alleged ruling bodies will be allowed to own or monopolize it.
    Forms of trade may be adapted by the people to assist in the well-being of all of the people.
    All industry and manufacturing are supported in all possible ways to deliver the abundance of all things to all people.
    All people are free to choose trade, craft, or profession and all training and education is free.
    All banking, financial systems, and the printing of money is eradicated until there is no call for money in our society whatsoever.

    The land is shared by those who work it
    Farmers who feed the people are the heroes of the land and are given land, tools, seeds, implements, and all assistance necessary to maximize the production of their crops and produce.
    Land usage is adapted to benefit all the people and made available to those who work it, to banish famine and hunger.
    Since the land is under the care of all the people, land ownership is abolished and replaced by new land usage guidelines of the new society which will benefit all the people, farmers in particular.
    Since money is no longer part of the system, no land is to be sold or owned by individuals, alleged corporations, or any other way possible.
    Existing farmers use their land for the benefit of the community and teach other new farmers to farm vacant land to feed the people.
    Everyone who contributes toward the community is given as much land as is required to perform their task.
    The people in each community plan and implement the reconstruction of their community and develop public parks and recreational areas to the greatest benefit of the community.
    Every community manages a specific area around its boundary for the production of crops and other farming necessities.
    These boundaries are to be specified under the equal rights of Contributionism and based on the population of the community.
    Each community is encouraged to become self-reliant and self-sustainable on the agricultural products they produce.
    Food is to be distributed nationally between communities and to those communities unable to provide for themselves. All food and other farming or agricultural produce is available to the people for free.
    All people have the right to settle in any community they choose and contribute to their community with their skills, talents, and abilities.

    All are equal before the law
    Ubuntu U.S.A. operates under a "Be free and harm no one" philosophy. Each community is free to establish guidelines for the greatest benefit of their community.
    Each community is responsible for protecting its people and boundaries according to the guidelines it agrees to under the "Be free and harm no one" philosophy.
    No one is to be imprisoned, deported, or restricted without a fair trial based on the system agreed upon by the people under the "Be free and harm no one" philosophy.
    Any and all "Be free and harm no one" courts are to be representative of the people.
    Peace officers and military personnel are re-purposed and restructured to help, protect, and meet the needs of the people.
    Any peace officer or military structure is to be based on the needs and will of the people. They are to be given tools and support necessary to perform their tasks as required by the new "Be free and harm no one" philosophy.

    All contribute according to their passion
    Under the Ubuntu Contribution System, no one works for money but for personal satisfaction and love for their community. Money is to be removed from the system altogether.
    The term "work" will eventually fall away since all people are to follow their passion and creator-given talents and abilities. These are their expressions of self and their "contribution" to society.

    Transition phase of building the new Ubuntu Contributionist Society
    During the transition into full Contributionism, everyone who is without an occupation, job, or income will be asked to participate and contribute to the national and local Public Works Project in which all aspects of transportation, housing, health, communication, energy, and all aspects of service delivery is to be upgraded and made available to all.
    Everyone who contributes is to be paid equally and only required to contribute an average of five hours per day as preparation for transition into full Contributionism.
    All who contribute are to have their basic needs met (food, water, housing, and electricity.
    Every person in every trade is to be given tools, materials, and support necessary to perform their tasks to the best of their ability and the highest standard of their craft.
    During the transition phase, each member of the community will contribute two hours per week toward community building projects, irrespective of what other activity they are a part of or contribute to in their community.
    Each community is to be unified and united in their effort to make life as easy and pleasant as possible for everyone to live life and enjoy it to the full!

    Doors of learning and culture opened
    All education on all levels is free and students may choose whatever they want to learn about.
    The concepts of games and play as a part of learning are introduced in such a way that the foundations of literacy are established without effort.
    All classroom-based teaching is abolished and replaced by a series of exciting internships, where from an early age, children may follow their passion and learn skills of life in a variety of areas from masters in their fields; so that by the time they are 16 years old, their knowledge is wide and they have a very clear idea of what they want to do as part of their contribution to society.
    Anyone who is an expert in their field and appointed by their community to act as teacher may choose to be one. Such people are to teach groups of children as part of their daily process in an internship capacity.
    All children are taught the basics for survival about soil, water, plants, animals, earth, planting, harvesting crops, and farming in all aspects to build a strong bond and respect for Mother Earth. Aside from this, children may follow any path of learning they choose.
    Anyone at any stage of life may change occupations and enroll in a program to learn new skills and sharpen talents.
    The discovery and development of talent for the enhancement of the culture is promoted on all levels.
    All cultural treasures of mankind are open to all by free exchange of books, ideas, and contact with all communities and other lands.
    All adult illiteracy is ended (for those who want it) by a mass community training plan.

    Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjccVuvud7w
    Last edited by Maggie; 8th November 2016 at 19:33.

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