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    Thumbs Up Ammon Bundy Acquitted (Nobody was expecting this)

    The people have awoken. You can't legalize tyranny unless the people consent to it. The powers that be can pass whatever unjust laws they want and seize property at a whim but unless the people go along with it they are powerless to enforce their tyranny. Remember juries are king.

    They won't show you this in the media:




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    Sorry about the typos in the title: Ammon Bundy Acquitted
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    Thank you. Good stuff.
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    Yes this is good news! Glad to see the jury was supportive. Some of my fellow patriot friends got involved in the initial stages of the standoff. Ammon Bundy recently moved here to Idaho.

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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    TNote:
    Sorry about the typos in the title: Ammon Bundy Acquitted
    Typos corrected.
    = DEATH BEFORE DISHONOR =

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    That really is great news. I hope the other guys are all doing alright too.

    These guys were on TV news for, what was it? It must have been weeks. The media demonized them for defending their property while corrupt Obama FBI and other law enforcement constantly harassed them. Harassed by weeks for law enforcement, only to be found to have done nothing illegal in the first place. At the least the court system pulled through in this case. Judicial branch 1, executive branch 0.

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    Quote Originally posted by bsbray View Post
    That really is great news. I hope the other guys are all doing alright too.

    These guys were on TV news for, what was it? It must have been weeks. The media demonized them for defending their property while corrupt Obama FBI and other law enforcement constantly harassed them. Harassed by weeks for law enforcement, only to be found to have done nothing illegal in the first place. At the least the court system pulled through in this case. Judicial branch 1, executive branch 0.
    There were two different standoffs. One in Nevada and one in Oregon. This has been going on for a number of years, not just weeks or months. Cliven Bundy is still facing jail time for the Nevada standoff even though he already won and chased the feds off his land. One of the Bundy supporters was shot and killed by police in Oregon. Reporter Pete Santilli is still in jail for covering the events.

    The actual long score is something along the lines of:
    People: 4
    Tyranny: 3

    The people are winning now and they are going to win the rest of battle. The FEDs pushed too hard and exposed their hand as naked tyranny and now the people aren't putting up with it anymore.

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    I also think they're testing the court systems to see what they can get away with, hence all the b.s. being dealt to individuals in specific states...We've seen it here in Idaho too especially with the over-reaching EPA(Environmental Protection Agency). If they can win a case of their choosing and it becomes precedent, it can take years for it to be overturned. They are looking for that weak individual who won't fight, but rather rolls over in fear. Unfortunately these government agencies have endless dollars at their disposal compared to the average individual, so they can easily outspend the defendant forcing one into submission for fear of losing it all. The problem lies in the fact that 'we the people' have no means of enforcement to deal with the onslaught of corrupt entities and individuals who support tyrannical behavior against the people. The morons who expressed their displeasure in the outcome of this particular case 'out' themselves as the kind who promote and support the corrupt practices of the establishment lunatics. The BLM stands for Bureau of Land Management, a term they seem to ignore and take out of context.

    This might help:
    BILL INTRODUCED IN HOUSE TO STRIP BLM OF POLICE POWERS
    http://www.infowars.com/bill-introdu...police-powers/

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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    There were two different standoffs. One in Nevada and one in Oregon. This has been going on for a number of years, not just weeks or months. Cliven Bundy is still facing jail time for the Nevada standoff even though he already won and chased the feds off his land. One of the Bundy supporters was shot and killed by police in Oregon. Reporter Pete Santilli is still in jail for covering the events.

    The actual long score is something along the lines of:
    People: 4
    Tyranny: 3
    I never followed it that close so I wasn't aware of all of that. If they do get off from everything, they should turn around and immediately file lawsuits against the officers and agencies responsible for what happened to them.

    The FEDs pushed too hard and exposed their hand as naked tyranny and now the people aren't putting up with it anymore.
    I already had the feeling during the last Bush years that they were pushing too much too fast on us. In the late 2000's we already had scientific surveys in the US indicating that 1/3 of the general public believed that the US government was lying about 9/11. Can you imagine if 1/3 of the population thought the US government was guilty of something so heinous during the 1800s? There'd probably be a spontaneous mob marching on Washington, and that's no exaggeration. Mobs did in fact march long distances to Washington DC in the 1800's just to protest things like high unemployment. What we have let them get away with today is unprecedented.

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    Quote Originally posted by Divine Feminine View Post
    I also think they're testing the court systems to see what they can get away with, hence all the b.s. being dealt to individuals in specific states...We've seen it here in Idaho too especially with the over-reaching EPA(Environmental Protection Agency). If they can win a case of their choosing and it becomes precedent, it can take years for it to be overturned. They are looking for that weak individual who won't fight, but rather rolls over in fear. Unfortunately these government agencies have endless dollars at their disposal compared to the average individual, so they can easily outspend the defendant forcing one into submission for fear of losing it all. The problem lies in the fact that 'we the people' have no means of enforcement to deal with the onslaught of corrupt entities and individuals who support tyrannical behavior against the people. The morons who expressed their displeasure in the outcome of this particular case 'out' themselves as the kind who promote and support the corrupt practices of the establishment lunatics. The BLM stands for Bureau of Land Management, a term they seem to ignore and take out of context.

    This might help:
    BILL INTRODUCED IN HOUSE TO STRIP BLM OF POLICE POWERS
    http://www.infowars.com/bill-introdu...police-powers/
    The FEDs will be a lot more cautious in the future after that jury nullification. It is also important that the case was tried in the capital Portland Oregon and not locally. If the FEDs can't win a case in their liberal stronghold then they should know they really screwed up. The government is going in one direction and the people are going in the opposite direction. That disconnect is not sustainable in the long term. People want their country back. People want their freedom back. People are tired of being told what to do by power hungry and corrupt government agencies. Portland has a huge housing shortage because if you drive just ten miles out of town there are all these building and land use restrictions put in place by the FEDs. It is affecting peoples' lives and they are not happy about it. The FED agencies are completely unaccountable to voters because they are unelected bureaucrats. The BLM is part of the deep state. They are immune to any type of voter feed back. They have no oversight, no accountability, and are corrupted to the core. They are a rogue government operating within US boarders accountable to no one.

    Hopefully that bill passes and the BLM has their police powers revoked because they never should have had police powers in the first place. On the other hand it is just half measure to placate the masses. The very existence of the BLM is unconstitutional because of the BLM's tendency to create rules and regulations outside of the democratic process. For example when the BLM banned the collection of rain water on private property it really woke a lot of people up to dictatorial powers of the BLM. People have been saying for years: "Hey we didn't vote for that. Who made these regulations?" The BLM created them from their own dictate. When you drive ten miles outside of city limits you are not in America anyone. You have entered the BLM's private little fiefdom. They truly are a rogue agency, break away civilization, mini dictatorship operating within US boarders. The BLM should be abolished entirely. Organizations such as that have no place in a free and open society.
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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    The FEDs will be a lot more cautious in the future after that jury nullification. It is also important that the case was tried in the capital Portland Oregon and not locally. If the FEDs can't win a case in their liberal stronghold then they should know they really screwed up. The government is going in one direction and the people are going in the opposite direction. That disconnect is not sustainable in the long term. People want their country back. People want their freedom back. People are tired of being told what to do by power hungry and corrupt government agencies. Portland has a huge housing shortage because if you drive just ten miles out of town there are all these building and land use restrictions put in place by the FEDs. It is affecting peoples' lives and they are not happy about it. The FED agencies are completely unaccountable to voters because they are unelected bureaucrats. The BLM is part of the deep state. They are immune to any type of voter feed back. They have no oversight, no accountability, and are corrupted to the core. They are a rouge government operating within US boarders accountable to no one.

    Hopefully that bill passes and the BLM has their police powers revoked because they never should have had police powers in the first place. On the other hand it is just half measure to placate the masses. The very existence of the BLM is unconstitutional because of the BLM's tendency to create rules and regulations outside of the democratic process. For example when the BLM banned the collection of rain water on private property it really woke a lot of people up to dictatorial powers of the BLM. People have been saying for years: "Hey we didn't vote for that. Who made these regulations?" The BLM created them from their own dictate. When you drive ten miles outside of city limits you are not in America anyone. You have entered the BLM's private little fiefdom. They truly are a "rouge" agency, break away civilization, mini dictatorship operating within US boarders. The BLM should be abolished entirely. Organizations such as that have no place in a free and open society.
    Agree with everything you said. However a common spelling adoption is in your text. The word is "rogue" and not "rouge", which is coloring on the cheeks.
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    Quote Originally posted by modwiz View Post
    Agree with everything you said. However a common spelling adoption is in your text. The word is "rogue" and not "rouge", which is coloring on the cheeks.
    Thank you, you are correct modwiz. I tend to type fast and let auto-correct fix any typos. It is a bad habit I should stop.

    Anyhow, one of the things that makes me really excited about Trump is how he has talked about dissolving some of these alphabet soup rogue agencies. The media blew it off as a bunch of crazy talk but really this is a big deal to the liberty movement. The BLM and the EPA are in the back pocket of the big corporations thanks to what is called regulatory capture. That is why they rubber stamped the Dakota Access Pipeline as environmentally friendly despite having 700+ oil spills in the last 4 years but will come down like a ton of bricks on a farmer for collecting rainwater for irrigation. It is to give the illusion that they are protecting the environment when in reality they are the enforcement arm of the corporate oligarchy. The BLM was originally created to protect the little guy from the abuse of powerful mining, logging, and oil companies but in recent decades they have succumbed to the influence of regulatory capture and now act as the enforcers of corporate power.

    I don't agree with everything Ayn Rand wrote but she made some brilliant observations over the years and I think this quote applies here:

    Quote Originally posted by Ayn Rand
    You know your society is doomed when you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see that money is flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and by pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice.
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    Quote Originally posted by Novusod View Post
    Thank you, you are correct modwiz. I tend to type fast and let auto-correct fix any typos. It is a bad habit I should stop.

    Anyhow, one of the things that makes me really excited about Trump is how he has talked about dissolving some of these alphabet soup rogue agencies. The media blew it off as a bunch of crazy talk but really this is a big deal to the liberty movement. The BLM and the EPA are in the back pocket of the big corporations thanks to what is called regulatory capture. That is why they rubber stamped the Dakota Access Pipeline as environmentally friendly despite having 700+ oil spills in the last 4 years but will come down like a ton of bricks on a farmer for collecting rainwater for irrigation. It is to give the illusion that they are protecting the environment when in reality they are the enforcement arm of the corporate oligarchy. The BLM was originally created to protect the little guy from the abuse of powerful mining, logging, and oil companies but in recent decades they have succumbed to the influence of regulatory capture and now act as the enforcers of corporate power.

    I don't agree with everything Ayn Rand wrote but she made some brilliant observations over the years and I think this quote applies here:
    Yes, Trump has now begun saying the unthinkable. The Goobermint is corrupt and the problem. He is taking alt news themes public and presenting them to people who are hearing some of this stuff for the first time. They have been feeling it for some time and he is confirming their sense of things. He has thrown a Molotov cocktail into the process.

    Ayn Rand is not someone who one can take as whole cloth but, as you have shown, she does have some very perceptive things to say and the one you posted is one of my favorites.
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    I think Rand must have been a little bit off somewhere but I still like some of her ideas too, like what you posted above Novusod.

    I was watching Stefan Molyneux earlier on YouTube and he was showing how US immigration has changed from the 1960s. Before entitlement programs, the only reason people migrated here was for political and financial freedoms. We had millions of immigrants but they came here to be free of stifling conditions, whether it was religious persecution, unbearable debt, debt courts and debtor's prisons, or lack of good paying jobs, or maybe escaping starvation in the case of famines. But whatever the case was, they didn't come here expecting a bunch of free stuff to be given to them. They still expected to have to earn things.

    In the 60s is when they started expanding entitlements, and in the decades following that the number of immigrants coming to the US has skyrocketed. People that study this stuff recognize the difference between immigrants who come for free benefits and immigrants who come for business purposes or to work. The major difference is that one group contributes to our economy while the other lives off welfare and takes away resources from society. It shouldn't be the government's responsibility to provide everyone's food and shelter who doesn't feel like doing anything except have kids, let alone when they're not even here legally and they're having kids and living off of taxpaying citizens. At some point it will become literally impossible to meet that insanely stupid tax burden and there'll either be an explosion of labor here or else a lot of people will starve to death.

    Back during the Depression there was still a solution. People worked. They kept their own gardens. They fed themselves when they were too damn poor to buy food at the store. Now people would starve to death if their welfare was cut off because they're too ignorant and unmotivated to even feed themselves. That is the product of leftist ideologists. They want to create a population of cattle, control their food and shelter and just move them around as convenient. When people can look after themselves, feed and shelter themselves, in other words when they are self-sufficient, then we don't need a massive government. It's only when you pack everyone into cities like helpless cattle that you need big government to prevent everybody from starving to death.

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    'We had no ill intent of what we were doing."- Ammon Bundy

    http://www.ktvb.com/news/crime/ammon...nd-1/345898694


    PORTLAND, Ore. -- Ammon Bundy said he was confident that he and his co-defendants would be acquitted of all charges in the armed takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

    In a conversation with KGW from the Multnomah County Detention Center, Bundy said, “We felt all along that this is the verdict that we would get. We had no ill intent in what we were doing.”

    Bundy said that maybe he was naïve, but he trusted the jury to listen to the facts of the government's case and make the right decision.

    “We believed that once the jury saw the truth, that saw the true story and not what the media was spinning, they would come forth with that verdict,” he said.

    Defendants found not guilty in refuge occupation trial

    Bundy reiterated that there was no conspiracy to take over the refuge and keep federal employees from doing their jobs, and said he and others have a duty to push back on a government that he says is intent on trampling individual rights.

    Even though Bundy was confident of a not guilty verdict, he and his family were ready for him to be convicted and go to prison, he said.

    "We are prepared to do what it takes to defend our rights and the right of our neighbors,” Bundy said. “And if that means we have to go to prison, then that is what it means.”

    Bundy said the scuffle in the courtroom after the verdict was read, where his attorney was wrestled to the ground by federal marshals and shocked with a Taser after questioning the government's authority to continue to hold his client, is another example of a government that is too powerful.

    Bundy said the verdicts will inspire others to take up similar protests against the government, and pointed to the demonstration in North Dakota against a proposed oil pipeline as one example.

    “I think we have one going on right now (in North Dakota),” said Bundy. “It’s the federal government violating their treaties.”

    Bundy faces more charges in his home state of Nevada, and is expected to be transferred there soon for trial. He says he has not decided whether he will again be represented by Marcus Mumford, whose efforts helped win him the acquittal last week.

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