Monsieur "Mn Y..." - The Corey Goode of 1969
My thread title might be controversial, but we could insert many names into it instead of "Corey Goode." I use his name just because of the division of opinion about him that serves to point out the problem of trying to find common ground when it comes to all the people claiming to be contactees and whistleblowers. If we didn't have a real suspicion that there really are interactions between ETs and humans, then these people wouldn't be getting the amount of attention that they are. Of course many of us believe their stories could be true, because we believe in ETs and we believe in covert military programs and all these sorts of things. Many of us are also convinced that certain authorities would go to great lengths to muddy the waters and divert our curiosity towards a complicated mess of contradictory information that's hard to get anything valuable out of.
So the problem that we all share is trying to figure out what is true and what is false. For those of us who have been around the mulberry bush long enough to see the "flavor of the month" whistleblowers giving so many different stories, we also share the problem of, "how can I be sure of what any of these people are saying?," or even, "what practical use is this information to me, anyway?" They all have different stories, different degrees of fame, and often clash with each other in one way or another. We all know that the actual details of their stories are often totally contradictory. Some of them might be right, and some of them might think they're right, but they certainly can't all be right. And I believe many of them are intentionally-planted red herrings, complete with media promotion.
The actual contents of the story below seem to me more of a mix of elements from Billy Meier (totalitarian ET utopias) and David Wilcock (technology, forecasted catastrophes and failed predictions), though the specific details are different. The saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same" might be apropos. This is a story from a book published in 1969 called Livre du Mystérieux Inconnu, ie "Book of the Mysterious Unknown." It's about a man called "Monsieur Mn Y..." (an abbreviated, anonymous name) claiming to be an ET contactee, that will sound very familiar to those who have been following the various personalities of the modern "alternative community" over the years.
See how much of the game sounds familiar to you. :chrs:
Monsieur “MN Y...” is the person who claimed to have visited the planet “Baavi” in the region of Alpha Centauri A and B, where he learned an “almost complete” grammar for a language called Baal or Baavian («baavienne»). A sample of the language (which is not shown) is said to have been sent by Charroux [the author of this book] to a linguist and professor at the Lycée Descartes in Algiers, Monsieur “T.” The professor is said to have been unfamiliar with the language or grammar but noted that it had “anomalies” suggesting that it had been written by a Frenchman (ie, that the grammar had been invented by a Frenchman, and not an extraterrestrial). Mr. “MN Y...” is said to have then responded that he had only tried to summarize what he had learned and that his knowledge was incomplete.
This gentleman also predicted that ETs would “officially” reveal themselves within five years (remembering that this book was published in 1969 – meaning this man's prediction expired in 1974).
MN Y...'s story is given in more detail as he presented it in person to Charroux. He claimed he was on the planet Baavi in Alpha Centauri for two months between 1940 and 1945, during the war years in France. He said he was taken on an essentially saucer-shaped craft that passed the “speed of gravity” and into “anti-time.”
His description of the planet is reminiscent of elitist ideals in regards to population control and the concentration of populations into designated urban areas à la Agenda 21. Specifically, after individuals give genetic/reproductive samples at a certain age, they are sterilized to prevent births which are not officially sanctioned. The institution of marriage is non-existent, and people make love with each other freely for physical pleasure, a man perhaps having sex with several different women in a single day without any “particular feeling of affection of tenderness.” The inhabitants of “Baavi” are furthermore said to live in a single city while the rest of the planet is left in its natural state. There also appear to be no social classes, with “rare” exceptions.
The Baals, according to this individual, are warning of an upcoming catastrophe on Earth and wish to save a remnant of the population in order to repopulate the Earth later. So here we add fear-mongering and an offer of ET salvation to the mix of authoritarian political and social ideas said to describe their society earlier.
The anonymous gentleman ultimately staked his claim upon documents he had which explained how to achieve anti-gravity propulsion, which he suggested be submitted to experts for their opinions. Assuming that the results of this would have been different than the results of his supposed alien language after their submission to a linguist, it would not rule out the possibility that this individual was working as a disinformant for military and/or intelligence agencies with real access to such information.
In the conclusion of the chapter on this man, we are forewarned again by Mr. Mn Y... of future catastrophes. This time a collapse of social order (which would no doubt be required to institute anything like the socialist absolutism which this supposed advanced extraterrestrial civilization is said to have themselves) and, significantly, a threat of artificial intelligence (in the form of computers dictating the direction of human society).
What I take away from this story is that people falsely claiming to be contactees or whistleblowers of sorts is nothing new, and several of the same elements are still seen today. Some of these common elements that can be found in the messages of various alternative personalities today are:
(1) describing "advanced" ET civilizations as having totalitarian governments that dictate who can live where and even who can have children and when (as if presenting us humans with something glorious to aspire to in the future),
(2) fear-mongering of future cataclysms that will destroy or nearly destroy the human race,
(3) presenting ET races as saviors who are here, not just to help humanity, but to free us from all personal responsibility to change our own society,
(4) inserting technical details about advanced alien technology such as propulsion systems, that often seem like slightly more advanced versions of things we already use here on Earth,
(4) changing or complicating the story when elements of it appear to be independently refuted, in order to "explain" the discrepancies, and
(5) failed predictions -- something we haven't seen so much of recently, possibly because in the age of the Internet people are keeping better records of whose predictions aren't panning out.
These elements, drawn from this "Mn Y..." story, remind me more specifically of Meier and Wilcock's information as it has been presented over the years, but we can strip these elements back even further to consider how other alleged contactees and whistleblowers line up:
(1) how advanced ET civilizations are portrayed in terms of culture, society and politics;
(2) whether the message is encouraging or discouraging personal responsibility to help create change in society;
(3) what role ETs are said to be playing in relation to mankind, whether as oppressors, saviors, moral support, spiritual teachers, curious onlookers, etc.;
(4) if the story is consistent or changes over time;
(5) if there have been any failed predictions.
To bring this thread back to Corey Goode, since I chose to use him as the example in the title, I know that Aianawa and URIKORN still follow and support his efforts, so maybe, if they feel like it, they can discuss how Corey's message compares to the above. Since Billy Meier most resembles this French case, and they both came to prominence in the 60s/70s, and both are from western Europe, I am tempted to lump "Mn Y..." and Billy Meier into one basket labelled "European disinformation agents from the 60s and 70s." It looks like they belonged to the same "club," so to speak, and were part of the same effort. Maybe that's too simplistic and maybe it's totally incorrect but it's what it looks like to me. I'm sure the same types of things are going on today, but the content and tactics seem to have changed since then.
