The One Truth's Lounge Thread

Ok, let me try this...it only seems you are angry and hateful...but why are you so rude to others. And please...projection doesn't play in my band.

The comments you have made regarding 'reputable' is an indicator of some confusion. The sites you mentioned are inclined to be 'supremacist' in style and intent. That isn't reputable it is disgusting. To be proud and promote one's culture is not bad unless it contains a core of 'that makes me better than you.' A social motivation with that as its center can be described in only one way...disturbed. It flies in the face of the natural human impulse to be better...as a human being with a spiritual aspect. Paint it anyway you like but that is the higher truth and the supporters of such can end in only one way...extinction.

MENSA is for children... :)

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Originally posted by NotAPretender

Ok, let me try this...it only seems you are angry and hateful...but why are you so rude to others. And please...projection doesn't play in my band.

The comments you have made regarding 'reputable' is an indicator of some confusion. The sites you mentioned are inclined to be 'supremacist' in style and intent. That isn't reputable it is disgusting. To be proud and promote one's culture is not bad unless it contains a core of 'that makes me better than you.' A social motivation with that as its center can be described in only one way...disturbed. It flies in the face of the natural human impulse to be better...as a human being with a spiritual aspect. Paint it anyway you like but that is the higher truth and the supporters of such can end in only one way...extinction.

MENSA is for children... :)

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Well said my friend! :h5:

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Originally posted by NotAPretender

Ok, let me try this...it only seems you are angry and hateful...but why are you so rude to others. And please...projection doesn't play in my band.

The comments you have made regarding 'reputable' is an indicator of some confusion. The sites you mentioned are inclined to be 'supremacist' in style and intent. That isn't reputable it is disgusting. To be proud and promote one's culture is not bad unless it contains a core of 'that makes me better than you.' A social motivation with that as its center can be described in only one way...disturbed. It flies in the face of the natural human impulse to be better...as a human being with a spiritual aspect. Paint it anyway you like but that is the higher truth and the supporters of such can end in only one way...extinction.

MENSA is for children... :)

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A specific reference would have made your post much easier to understand .
You now seem fixated on changed goal posts -- " reputable " seems your buzz term this time .
If you are referring to some sites I mentioned , I cannot imagine any intelligent , decent and productive person wishing to take issue . To sensibly do so would need clear examples of a site repeatedly and intentionally producing factually incorrect information or intentionally trying to deceive .
I look forward to seeing such evidence .
Some of those from my list include such remarkable people as Jordan Peterson , Andrew Breitbart , James Corbett , heroine whistleblower Sibel Edmonds and polymath and research scholar Joseph Farrel . Very special people with integrity and honesty right at the top of their accomplishments . Spiritual role models , unless you can do better .

The impulse to 'do better ' is not even marginally supported as a universal instinct by history . Just some people . Sometimes .
Perhaps you might like to look at how people ONLY operate in hierarchies and then ONJLY AFTERWARD assess the correlation between hierarchical achievement level versus the development of higher instincts .There is very little correlation I submit .

Perhaps you should then examine history to determine the real agents of continued existence -- a list which strongly depends on psychopaths , sociopaths , entrepreneurs , over competitive individuals and downright selfish loners who obsess about one matter which turns out to be critical to Hierarchy Success or Group Satisfaction .

And then even worse , Angels ( 'Good " role models ) rarely 'begat . Let alone begat other Angels . Jesus is a clear example .
However , the more disgusting individuals often' begat ' very successful second generation disgusting individuals and then their benefits / successes / inventions often become part of and to the benefit of the hierarchy .

Your paradigm goes out of the window .

At a detail level I would love to see what a person like you takes on board as a signal that a person like me is so 'rude ' to others .
Examples please .
Let me suggest to you that people like me are not angry , hate or are rude in the ways that you imagine . Or as you seem to , as it turns out .
This is a virtual reality situation . I have zero feelings toward other person here . We are simply disembodied voices discussing propositions .
We will never meet . So . Perhaps reserve your sensitivity for real life sensitive situations .
Just a thought .

And even if MENSA was for children ( a silly statement literally ) , consider it a club where you might be meeting similarly disposed people with part matching talents . Just like a Golf Club is primarily for Golfers etc etc . I am sure you would be welcome if your talents match the organisation's raison d'être . If not , find the club that suits you and where you can produce the entrance fee .

Precisely why my comments about human attainment ARE the higher truth...Breitbart, Drudge, Fox...the only depraved mentality you left out was the 'Demonic one'. Twist words anyway you like...there is a missing component of humanity in anyone that CHOOSES to see things this way. That is the definition of evil...when a major crossroad of our personal development reaches immanence we are able to transcend our environment and nurturing whatever its nature by making the correct decision to 'move forward'. Many of us don't make the right choice. Some reach for the higher truth, a road according to you rarely traveled, and push humanity, if only in a small way, to a better place. Some seem more comfortable in rehashing the same old maladaptive human practices. They succumb to the animal urges and become no better than their fellow animals in all their glory with their Darwinistic primordial solutions to 21st century reality. As I stated in the earlier post, extinction lies on that road.

Not so silly, MENSA is for 'mental' children

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Originally posted by NotAPretender

Precisely why my comments about human attainment ARE the higher truth. blah , blah .

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As long as you are happy in your outlook I wish you well .
There is nothing I can say or do to help you and I certainly will not be trying .
I now see how important your religion is to you . It is not my road to the next dimension but there are many roads to choose from and many ways to find the road .
If I may be forgiven one small piece of possible advice -- beware false pride.

Daylight Saving Time Is Absolutely the Worst - The Jim Jefferies Show

"Jim has had it up to here with daylight saving time."

Comedy Central
Published on Mar 5, 2019

3:21 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfBzVcOgxlA

:) ... I will, and I suppose that is a legitimate admonition. The context in which it is offered is a little askew though. A rejection of 'apparent' evil can be a 'wise' choice emanating from a place to see and do good from a human perspective...We can call it 'humanistic', 'secular', or 'spiritual'.

Memories of ...


Sammy Hagar

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Rock The Nation

Montrose

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmJqxGfASrE

Chickenfoot - HighwayStar

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2012 sees the 40th anniversary of the release of this landmark album and in recognition of the influence of the band, and that of "Machine Head" in particular, some of rock music's biggest names have each contributed a version of their favourite track on the album to create "Re-Machined -- A Tribute To Deep Purple's Machine Head".

A Tribute To Deep Purple's Machine Head". A "Re-Machined" highlights is this specially recorded live performance of 'Highway Star' by Chickenfoot, an American rock supergroup consisting of former Van Halen members Sammy Hagar (vocals) and Michael Anthony (bass), solo artist Joe Satriani (guitar) and Red Hot Chili Peppers drummer Chad Smith.'

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQVTtpE9J7s

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Originally posted by Aragorn

And this is because the US far right, as ultraconservatives, have a very unhealthy fixation on and obsession with other people's sex life.

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I might say U don't know how right U are... but... I know better... cuz I know U know...

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It is something they've taken over from the CIA, who were the first to start deploying that tactic, and for that matter, even as early as the 1960s. The conservative wing in the United States of America identifies with masculinity and machismo ─ hence the American desire to be the ruler of the world, and of course, this is once again an ostensible property of all fascist regimes. It also ties in with the American glorification of the military, and especially of the US Marine Corps.

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Well... i'd argue the see-eye-eh were far from the 1st but that just goes off on a tangent. The roots of this go waaaay back.... but, yeah, the reflections have taken to quite intimidating forms since the end of the war to end all wars. The one where the bomb showed up and went... BANG...

It's no accident that the majority of ultraconservatives in the U.S. are also religious fanatics of one stripe or another, and to one degree of fanaticism or another... but... are, predominately christian.... of one stripe or another. But there are glaring commonalities and it is to these that we need to look to begin to see the unseen.

One of the most glaring is what I call the Die To Live imprint. Modeled by their poster child for mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa... the christ, hisself... who gave his life in crucifixion upon a cross to atone for our sins and that we may have life everlasting... after we die first a'course... or... so the story goes... and such as the price is. This plays out in many forms from the grunts in the military willing to die for U 'n me 'n freedom to the born agains to the evans and on and on.

Admittedly, it's not limited to christians... but... they happen to have it in spades.

Its one of the most glaring flim flams ever, I tell ya!! But hardly anybody recognizes it for what it is... the ultimate, denial of self.

And let us least not forget... who's the bad guy??? ...well... that's not really a fair way to ask... cuz he's really a she... u know, the one with the apple. And just what does that apple represent???

… DESIRE...

For HER a'course.

Especially...

SEXUALLY!!

Just ask the Al Pachino character in Scent of a Woman... now there's a guy who had a healthy appreciation for... well, HER. He knew she made the world go round for the man that he was and he both respected and honored her for it. She drips with sweet essence and he was both crazy for it and humbled by it.

How do the conservative christians see her? Well, the catholics are so down on her and what she represents to them that their clergy makes a vow of chastity. Oh, they acknowledge her... BUT... only as a VIRGIN. Which means what???

...no sex had by the blessed one...

What about the rest that aren't catholic? Anybody see Mel Gibson's Passion of the Christ? I can't think of a christian denomination that doesn't buy into the passion narrative in one way or another. I don't think Gibson was conscious at all of what I saw him portraying in the opening scenes...

It's late in the evening after the supper. The opening scene is in the garden - an irony in itself but we don't need to get off on a tangent, not when there are more chilling ironies about to unfold.

The christ is in extreme anguish. He knows what's about to go down. There's a short interchange between the christ and the apostles, all of whom he has found sleeping... for which he feels abandoned... but there's an even bigger abandonment about to come.

In the meantime, the betrayal. The scene cuts to Judus and the deal to give up the christ by revealing where he is for 30 pieces of silver.

The scene then cuts back to the garden and the christ, in his agony, beseeching...

Hear me Father
Rise up, defend me
Save me from the traps they set for me

Then a new character, a veiled character wearing a floor length gown that could pass for male or female. appears and sez to him...

Do U really believe
that one man can bear the full burden of sin?

With eyes raised to the heavens, he sez...

Shelter me, O lord
I trust in you
In you I take refuge

The veiled one sez...

No man can carry this burden, I tell you.
It is far too heavy.
Saving their souls is too costly.
No one, ever
No
Never

Him, again, with head raised, arms reaching upwards, he begs...

Father, You can do all things
If it is possible, let this chalice pass from me
But let Your Will be done, NOT MINE

He collapses to the ground...

The veiled one peers down upon him. Asks..

Who is your father?
Who are you?

He rises... slowly, painfully to his knees in anguish. He is speaking in Hebrew as he and the veiled one have been all along. Captions roll across the bottom of the screen, interpreting in English for us.

But not this time. As he speaks in Hebrew there is no translation. The camera closes in on the face of the veiled one and slowly begins to pan downward until it reaches the bare feet, barely visible just beneath the gown. The head of a serpent, tongue flicking, slowly appears from under the gown and slithers across the ground to the christ.

The camera follows. Then... pan to the veiled one who watches intently.

Pan back to the serpent which crawls onto the hands of the christ, clenched in the dirt, who is still speaking in Hebrew. Raises itself toward his face. He becomes aware of the serpent and begins to rise, fists clenched, eyes portraying a terrified rage.

Pan back to the veiled one who watches in anticipation. Which way will he go? What will he choose to do?

Pan back to the christ. Gone is the terror. Only the rage remains in his eyes, on his face, taking over his entire body and demeanor. It intensifies. He looks down upon the serpent, quickly raises a sandaled foot and stomps down hard, smashing the serpent's head with a final, crushing sound.

The camera pans back to where the veiled one was only to find no one there.

That's far enough. You all know the rest of the narrative.

And now I'm gonna tell you what I saw... and I can assure, such was NOT Gibson's conscious intent to portray...

The veiled one is female. Might say the same one in that other garden that came before. I'll even go so far as to say she mighta been the christ's Will. His Feminine. (Yeah, I know, that's quite a stretch and begs unpackin' at the very least. But for now... hey... I'm an old man... so... humor me.)

Where did that serpent come from? From up there, maybe... about half way up, under that gown? And what temptation does it represent? Could it be that same ole apple from the first garden?

Right here is where sex is thrown outside of love.
And guess where the christ got it from?

Oh, but there's more...

But let your Will be done, NOT MINE.

Name me one christian who doesn't subscribe to exactly that!!

There's this thing in the Big Book of the brother and sisterhood of the empty chalice called the 3rd step prayer. It's not the 3rd step. It's a prayer that goes something like...

God, I offer myself to Thee to do with me as Thou wilt
Releive me of the bondage of self so that I may better do Your Will
Take away my difficulties that victory over them may bear witness
to Your Will, Your power, and to Your way of life
May I do Your Will always

I adopted that prayer as a mantra. Said it regular... and in between, whenever life got dicey, i'd say it. And it helped. Then suddenly, yet, slowly, I began to feel uncomfortable saying it. Vague at first but increasing in intensity. Every time i'd say the mantra i'd get this uncomfortable feeling. Like something was bad wrong. This went on for weeks. Finely, one day... the question hit me...

Maybe... just maybe... God's Will is for me to do my Will?

I felt a whole lot better after that and i've never once repeated that mantra again. I attribute this particular epiphany to saving my life. That along with the works of Alice Miller who I cited just recently here on TOT.

There were others that came before that, that had led directly to getting sober in one night in the back of my truck after 27 years of being trapped in the prison of the obsession of having to have alcohol available to me 24/7.

And there were others that came later. Most significantly,, I came upon a book titled Right Use of
Will. It contained passages like this one on pg i of the intro...

Most people on Earth have made a separation between their Spirit and their Will. They have believed their own Will was not acceptable and that to love in the way that God loves, they must eliminate their own feelings and opinions and do what they have imagined to be the Will of God. An understanding is needed here: The Will of God is not in opposition to the Will of the individual.

So, yeah, what Aragorn said is dead on from where I'm lookin....

Truth can be only a matter of faith, Palooka. That's where I coming from. I need to take that Leap of Faith because any translation through a human is suspect and can't be fully relied upon.

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Originally posted by NotAPretender

Truth can be only a matter of faith, Palooka. That's where I coming from. I need to take that Leap of Faith because any translation through a human is suspect and can't be fully relied upon.

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absolutely!!

Wow, palooka. I haven't actually see that movie so thank you for playing that scene out. Well done. And I really appreciate your insight.

My mom tried late in life to press the idea of "Thy will, not mine" with me. I was confused because my parents had raised me to think for myself and be responsible for myself, my words, my actions and my beliefs. Now, suddenly, there was this.

My mother had personal struggles which she could not overcome on her own and thus this was useful to her. But it wasn't to me.

In fact, if I was ever 'angry' at God it would be for taking away peoples' will. I eventually realized it was the people giving up their will.

It's sooooo much easier to commit acts you would never normally do if you can just give credit to God. So easy.

But in the end, I think folks will find it's not the God they thought it was.

Hi DT,

yes, I agree...I saw the movie and later discussed it with a co-worker that had seen it also. We discussed if we would let our children see it. He said, yes and I said no.

The movie was brutal...I could barely watch it.

I was taking a philosophy/religion class and during one session (our Jesuit professor) asked the class to imagine ourselves as 'Christ on the Cross'. I nearly cried...it was embarrasing as hell, but there you have it.

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Originally posted by Dreamtimer

Wow, palooka. I haven't actually see that movie so thank you for playing that scene out. Well done. And I really appreciate your insight.

My mom tried late in life to press the idea of "Thy will, not mine" with me. I was confused because my parents had raised me to think for myself and be responsible for myself, my words, my actions and my beliefs. Now, suddenly, there was this.

My mother had personal struggles which she could not overcome on her own and thus this was useful to her. But it wasn't to me.

In fact, if I was ever 'angry' at God it would be for taking away peoples' will. I eventually realized it was the people giving up their will.

It's sooooo much easier to commit acts you would never normally do if you can just give credit to God. So easy.

But in the end, I think folks will find it's not the God they thought it was.

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I eventually realized it was the people giving up their will.

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bingo...

Wow a sideways moonwalk.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmCA3qQkqso

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9MeTn1i72g

UMBP Publishing sez no way jack...

my brother is still mad at me about liking Kansas equal to the Eagles...he won't let it go... :)

I know it ain't cool to be a Michael Jackson fan and it hasn't been for a very long time...but he ranks with the all time greats:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUi_S6YWjZw

Michael is being smeared even though he's in the grave. It's sad.

This is for the doers:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jE-Krlqi4fk