The Plan (blogs by theruiner777)

Wish we had a wizard blowing smoke rings I would insert here now . . . . , as methinks this latest blog from the Ruiner is one for contemplation and blowing smoke rings. Sherlock will have to do instead. : Sherlock:

Myth and Legend, Strange and Fiction. Reality of Facts.

So many questions arise regarding myth and legend. Events and especially creatures and characters. All great fun, wonderful stories and imagery.

Your writers education on our occulted history required an understanding of most all areas, without specific focus in just one area. (Aside from personal interests) Often he be meant to retain the 'gist' of things without the finer details. Taking what matters most to the whole. How we got here, now.

When it comes to characters throughout history this is very true for your writer. So many characters reappear and disappear, then get spoken of as if they have reappeared and then forgotten, disappearing - For a time.

Many characters have been hijacked over time and their image used by impostors trying to ride the coat tails of the past accomplishments of another being with that name, title or image.

This happens for various reasons although the most common are either to use the image to hide ones true image, or, to absorb the tales and/ or respect the name represents.

~a great and fun example is the Dread Pirate Roberts character from The Princess Bride film~

Many of our so called deities, kings, queens, pharaohs, other beings who shared knowledge meant as a reminder in the past, suffer this reality. A being on earth, performs great deeds, gains much respect, truly assisting humanity by helping them remember their sovereignty.

In time they depart either by death or other ways, and someone else comes along and claims the name. Thereby claiming the deeds, the love, respect. (Which they use as they choose.)

Likewise, some beings who have come to this planet and done great things have traveled to different parts of the world, performing the same actions under a different name.

~This is a very old planet. It has seen many cycles as it is an excellent planet to up-bring developing species.~

On top of this reality, we live in a world where all of these histories have been rewritten and re-adapted to fit later cultures and translate into various languages and social dialects. Creating s huge mess. A tangled web of truth colored by perceptions and intentions, allegory and archetypes.

Did you play "Broken Telephone" in school? If so you can imagine how this all happens.

Old God replaced new Gods and erased the image and history of the old Gods and replaced them with their new God image and history.

For fun: "Yes you may record my image. Create your statue of me with a dogs head only." 2000 years later; "these people believed their Gods were beings with dog heads".

This is why all the contradictions exist between all of the different versions of our history. The pieces don't fit.

Those in charge of this planet are exceptionally good at manipulating history to hide what they choose and also benefit, themselves. They have us believing all sorts of these twisted stories.

Unfortunately your writer cannot set them all straight for you, nor will he attempt to. What matters most now should be the focus.


Names, names, so many names.

So much information available to humanity (besides that stolen by occultists) is overcomplicated, by names. One becomes another and history gets lost as it fits the newest generation. All finding its place in the dust with the passing of time.

The meaning sticks with us and remains intact to some degree within every version of the story. We too often find ourselves so caught up in the story, trying to make sense of names and places, objects and details, that we miss the meaning. The contradictions our minds perceive from the broken story prevent us from finding what we seek. So we keep reading, hoping to find those details that bridge this all together. Missing puzzle pieces. No glue.

They have been erased and misplaced. Focus on the meaning.


They all tell us the same thing.


Within you all is the power to determine the course of evolution that humanity will take. It all starts with personal choice. Then in inspires. Then it spreads.

Then we imagine something new. A different way. A new world. It cannot be a repeat of the same.

The only ones that can do this is our souls. The only thing here to help us is spirit.

Our will creates order out of the chaos. Instead of the will of another race or any other gods.

This is why they want your will to be theirs. Which we have made true so far, as a consequence of giving our consent. Past mistakes in the past. Consequences paid. Time to move forward.

Does it matter who tells us this? Does it matter what they look like? Does it matter why they know? Does it matter what race they are or where they come from?

No, it does not. What matters is what we do. When we remember.

The reality is strange and the facts are buried in fiction. Those myths have become legends and we forget what we know.

But you do know. You do not have to believe. You have to remember.

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http://theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015...d-fiction.html

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Yes, we live in strange times where truth seems to be a phantom, can you catch a firefly if your lucky let alone see one.
It's quit funny "us" the truth seekers spend more time than anyone els, wading through a fiesta of confetti of red herrings. With the dis-inferno agents, plagiarist, fantasists covered in fairy dust sprinkles, I can't help laughing at myself look back at how serious I could be about the latest thing I'd found out.

What I fancy if you would indulge me are some real "truthful" stories, i.e.

St Germain, a fascinating figure no doubt a Parent coming out to play with the hoi-pollo, what of his real past and present.

Do the Parents have consorts?
What demographic do they occupy?
Different Parents overseeing different races?
Parents in competition with each other?

What about the times our natural abilities were far greater prior to the recycling mind wipes, the theft of our learned wisdom. Who came up with that DUM idea? LOL.
O I know, I need someone to dress me, wipe my backside and put toothpaste on my toothbrush............how enlightening!

Are yes, what about virgin births this is far more common than people think, what I have found interesting is the child can still look like the non biological father, I can see this is a useful method of keeping the parents together. They had some sex, but just can't remember it type thing.
To be clear these are woman who have found them selves pregnant with out copulation having taken place in and around the time of conception. (No drugs or drink involved)
Also it is not clear if DNA is taken from the farther to be used or not.

What about king Neptune and the Boc family as I feel these are strongly connected as well as the Plantagenets Queen/ Empress Matilda/ Maud, with her fish type tail and her need for one day a week to be completely alone to bathe,


Many thanks to everyone contributing to this thread.

Good Q&As from the blog.

Queston: April 20, 2015 at 6:10 PM
"Our will creates order out of the chaos .... they want your will to be theirs …"

This is very a very interesting concept … could you elaborate? This statement intones that they "lack" something that "we" have. Could you elaborate?

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The RuinerApril 20, 2015 at 6:49 PM
It's not as important that we have something they lack as it is that we are just as much a part of the creation of this world as they are. They can't shape the world alone. Our consciousness plays a big part, which is why they have worked so hard to control our consciousness.

We have numbers. There are more of us than there are of them. Some things are already changing as a result.

The problem being they have controlled our thoughts and steered our imaginations. They took away books and gave us movies - an analogy - which showed us what the characters look like and sound like so we no longer create these things with our imaginations.

What they lack is the full spectrum of emotion and sensation. Which is the result of their violation of our free will and the natural laws of this universe. Our abilities to still access this make us more powerful as conscious co-creators. This may be even more important to your question than us simply outnumbering them. Despite our numbers, a massive percentage of us want what they want. Think how they have taught us to think. Therefor those of us consciously co-create what they have guided us to create.

Hope this helps.

With respect,




Queston: April 20, 2015 at 7:12 PM
"a massive percentage of us want what they want"

I guess that is the problem … what DO they want? What DO we have that they cannot have without "us"? What "we" want is the grace to remember from whence we came/our birthright … taken away … or "occulted" as you have pointed out … how do they benefit from getting to what we have just by "duping" us out of what is inherently ours? This implies that they "lack" in a very important way … the quote above this comment implies that with "them" something is also "occulted" … and it causes frustration ...

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The RuinerApril 20, 2015 at 8:14 PM
Something extremely relevant to this discussion has yet to be discussed in the blog, but we can continue without it.

It is all about soul-energy. The ability to generate enough energy for yourself without feeding from another, is something we are much better at than they, so, they choose to feed on ours. Creating a world in accordance with their will ensures their parasitic survival.

The more we question about ourselves the less we are focusing on developing and therefor the less we know, the more we have to question about ourselves. Remembering who we are frees up a lot of time and energy for more imaginative and creative thought forms.

Currently, many involved in this family and all the programs and projects around them are discovering how well played they have all been, and that occulted information is still beyond them. So there is much frustration being felt. Your writers advice is always not to take it too personally.

The next installment from the Ruiner......... an interesting read. Time to grap my pipe blowing smoke rings into the air and pondering....... : Sherlock:

(Failed) Structure - Bloodlines - Wednesday, April 22, 2015

This is the part of the structure you probably know by now. The named family Bloodlines of the Illuminati.

Years back now these names were released. You would recognize them as banking families and the heads of many of this planets institutions. Their families run deeper than that. The names do not matter nearly as much as they are emphasized.

They are banking families, corporate families, but they are also military families, and NASA families and pretty much every major corporation or entity has Bloodline members at the top, or influencing the top. Not all of the family names are known. They are global even representing/controlling or in power in what are considered undeveloped parts of the world.

Starting from the beginning, and as example: You would know R_th_child as such a name. This name did not exist when the Bloodline was originated, so telling you this family is one of the Bloodlines is false. Although they are included.

Publicly (for members, not really for the public) these names are at the head of each family today, although many other names are related to them. Perhaps 90% are unidentified within most research in the public.

How this worked was each of the the 13 Families were originally named to two beings (one male, one female) who had a higher percentage of Draco DNA than the rest of humanity. As they bred, they would do so amongst themselves (inbreeding) to maintain the Bloodline as was considered keeping it Pure. To demonstrate we will play with the name "Lotto" pretending a Bloodline began with a male and female "Lotto".

The male and female would breed giving birth to baby Lottos. The males would keep the Lotto name and the females would assume an invented name. Let's pretend the name they chose was "Matta".

If Lottos would breed with Mattas, those offspring would receive a new name. One Lotto and one Matta have children, and they have in our pretend, world named those children with the last name "Bogga" for the males and "Wonka" for the females. Boggas would then breed with Wonkas.

So far this Bloodline includes Lotto, Matta, Bogga and Wonka as last names. This would continue as described above - for five to seven generations before members were forced to breed with members selected for them - adding more names. So long as both parents have originated in the same Bloodline the breeding would be approved. All breeding is overseen by the Family Master.

Yes. That is right. It's all ridiculous. The idea was to try and maintain the genetics. Eventually they realized the futility of this, but it was far too late. Their structure was set. Psychopathy was unleashed.

When they did notice the inbreeding was negating their intentions what we know now as the Line of Kings was born. The male would carry forth the family name. Of course this slowed the problems but did not reverse them.



Over time other families were married into the 13 Bloodlines. These created their own lineage and are a little more relaxed in terms of the breeding as they are not looking to maintain the Bloodline so much as remain in control of all aspects of civilization. These members are not considered Pure/Blue Blood and are compartmentalized by The Parents and their Covens as well. Instead of breeding together they marry other Illuminati family members. So basically, it's a huge mess and difficult to make sense of. Your writer is trying to make the point that trying to identify members based on family names is ineffective.



They have more information available to them than the average human does, but are still in the dark about a great many things, often not even knowing that the guy they deal with in another organization they encounter is also a member. Highly compartmentalized. "The lie is different at every level". They learn through the cults, led by Covens, acting for the Parents, just like the rest of the membership. The only advantage they have (besides the obvious backing of their family) is they are started younger most of the time whereas most members start later in life.

They have a difficult time accepting when they learn the pyramid still has several steps above them.

The Bloodline members benefit the most from the control in the material sense. Money. All of the traditional treasures of flesh. At most they understand that their actions maintain a system of control that allows them to maintain their lifestyle.


This Draco experiment is unanimously recognized as a complete failure. These people are de-evovling, to be nice about things. A virus in the system for us and the Illuminati themselves. The current course of action for the greater Illuminati structure is not including them. The results are quite visible in society these days. The Parents have more or less washed their hands of this part of the structure moving forward.



The entire point of giving readers this basic outline of the structure is simply so you can understand that EVERYTHING that happens on earth, gets back to the Parents due to this structure and infiltration. Everything!

Yes, sorry, but.. Everything. Cults and Programs.


Why? Well, let's start back at the beginning.

Source: http://theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015...loodlines.html

Here are some interesting replies from the Ruiner in response to some comments about his latest article “(Failed) Structure – Bloodlines”

As he says, "We can change all of this."

I agree............. it's time to ramp up our re-remembrance of who we truly BE/IS...... :love:

It's 'Soul Time' to awaken our inner wizards of conscious self awareness we all have within each one us - we are creating reality here! We are so much bigger than the Trueman Show.........

We have our god spark within us - It is time to awaken the god genes and get on with real Soul business........ :h5:


:wiz::wiz::wiz:

Disclaimer: “Soul Time” and “Soul Business”, has nothing to do with Stevie Wonder. And when mentioning the Trueman show, I was referring to the Hollywood Movie concept. I mean no offence to People, places, things or events.




Back to the Ruiner: :smile2:

QUESTION:
"Psychopathy was unleashed"

Could you please define the term "psychopathy" as you understand it?

Thanks


REPLY The RuinerApril 22, 2015 at 6:56 PM
Tough question. Definitions can vary. Your writer sees it as this:

An inability to think or feel properly. Focused on themselves only with every situation. They lack the basics like empathy or remorse. Anti-social behaviour outside of their own group of like minded beings (other psychopaths). This could go on and on really.


QUESTION April 22, 2015 at 10:45 AM
Hello Ruiner would or could you say that the royal family are a part of this bloodline.was Princess Dianna used for her dna then killed when she had her children?

We here of people being brought up from birth to join cults or sects even in collage such as the cross and bones who then will become our rulers is this all part of their plan.
Boheiman grove,where the wealthy and rich partake in a dark occult knowledge.
These are the persons the common man votes for unaware of their real intentions.
why do they need to create so much war and misery apart from the money aspects of such operations.

If so does that not mean that we are under a great evil influence?

REPLY The RuinerApril 22, 2015
We have been under great influence from beings most would consider "evil". There is no disputing that. Just as there is no disputing that some other influences exist.

Yes that is one of the Bloodlines.

The name of the game is energy. They want our energy to feed them as they are ignorant of their ability to generate it themselves. They greatly enjoy the energy created by fear and struggle. This is the purpose of the war and covert slavery system.

We can change all of this. Which will be expressed in more detail soon. WE can change this. Not any ET races despite their density or dimension. (Or color)

Source: http://theruiner777.blogspot.ca/2015...loodlines.html

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Oh they know...just as heroin addicts know about methodone lol, doesn't mean they want to use it instead!

I'm sure plenty of drac/vampire/parasite beings in creation have been "coached" away from sourcing their "energy" through the total subjugation and torture of a sentient species. Here's to hoping, for the souls of the ones who posess such here, that they choose the alternative to "farming" us, whatever "methodone" like fear loosh replacement therapy that may involve.

The industry of Human Genetic Exploitation is far, far from over. imho...It will start to end with the Reclaiming of Earth one has to HOPE.

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Originally posted by Breeze

Wish we had a wizard blowing smoke rings I would insert here now . . . . , as methinks this latest blog from the Ruiner is one for contemplation and blowing smoke rings. Sherlock will have to do instead. : Sherlock:

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Hi Breeze, as always I feel you when I read your words :smile2:

You always shine your beautiful torch, even in the most darkest of places, because you know full well that even in the light...... there is dark too! :wiz:

I have to say, I like the "writer", or at least so far, but there is always going to be "all will be revealed soon" pitch....until the donate button suddenly appears.

If there should be free energy, then there should be free information.

Of course the "writer" says he wants no money or even an audience out of it, which is extremely admirable imho, but it also a brilliant psychological sales pitch, one I too must learn! ha ha!

However, what if, after an eventual several hundred thousand ardent followers, sitting on the edge of their computer swivel chairs found out he was about to reveal the biggest smoking gun of all time.........????

However, due to horrendous unforeseen costs, fear of safety and a webmaster to pay, one will simply had to "donate" to enable this information to come forward. Really??

I suppose one has got to make a living which is cool as long as its an honest one.....

You know what?

There are some absolutely amazing writers here on Tot, with the most wonderful amazing creative and spiritual minds, and you are one of those people Breeze.

All of us here are capable of becoming another Ruiner, another Corey, another David Wilcock, Ben Fulford and the list goes on and on.

We could just make it up as we go along, after all we have an army of "super consciousness" here and it could be like a Never Ending Story...but...........could we do it free?

Depends if you want to tell the whole world or not, I guess.

I couldn't do it that's for sure.

I put my family first, and the risks involved would for me, suit a whistle blower with no family or friends and would have nothing to lose.....

I mean what is there to gain?

My energy has been so sucked dry by recent disclosures, I have just simply stopped reading them.

Time, healing and perspective can be remarkably revealing to ones perspective.

Todays stories seem to be lacking the proven daily miracles of real life that we all see, feel and breathe daily.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for expanded consciousness, but having it stretched and moulded into a herd consciousness is a no no for me.

So peeps, this writer, an old school tot truther, is still on the fence to everything I see and read no matter how mind blowing it sounds.

Beware though folks, public forums like this and others, are a wonderful "source of info" for any would be writer.

Be safe, be happy and just BE!

Russ

I know exactly what you are saying........... I have been there too, many times when I wish I had listened to my soulful inner voice in that first moment of engagement showing me where that timeline/avenue went....... Had I listened, it would have saved a lot of time.

But then there is another way of looking at this......... how Human ‘nature’ looks for the brighter side of life, people, places, things and events and holds compassion and hope for all, allowing everyone, thing and event the possibility to 'change'. This is one of the fine qualities Humanity is gifted with, a grace that some other species have lost for 'whatever' reasons.

I love the wonders of Consciousness........ the power of our Soul and Spirit to gently steer us the journeymen............... and then in the most unexpected moment 'out of the blue' an event occurs..................... :magic:,

'Out of the blue' in my definition, is a Soul and Spirit directive that literally out of the blue 'arrives' to us ‘in this present here’ - but in truth is pre-chosen, intended and pre-arranged destination via mind-full conscious planning by our greater self that exists beyond Time/Space. 'Out of the blue' moments for me, is an opportunity that can take me to another leap in conscious awareness. I absolutely love out of the blue moments 'arriving', no matter how challenging they may ruffle my preconceived beliefs/ideas; if it promotes within myself a conscious awareness upgrade it was a soul and spirit directive purposeful reconnection. ;)

As I see it, understanding the reality we co-exist in, is just as important as understanding the other Kingdoms beyond this dimension. It is all about balance, understanding all the simultaneous levels we are part of ‘consciously’ in our PRESENT HERE AND NOW - EXPERIENTIAL WALK. It is all part of the journey we all consciously embarked upon exploring Consciousness as definable Self' where 'we' the co-creator gods danced together LIFE. :love:

imho, each of our unique stories is so much bigger than Cinderalla going to the Ball meeting Prince Charming. :eyebrows:

WE ARE IT!

HAVE ALWAYS BEEN AND ALL-WAYS WILL BE IT/ISNESS, CONSCIOUSNESS EXPANDING into FOREVER.

We are and in all-ways will BE Eternal BEings – no ‘matter’ what happens.




Thank you Russ, for a great post! Lovely to read your words my friend. Observing on the fence is a good place to be; I have sat there many times. :smiley hug:

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Hi Breeze, as always I feel you when I read your words :smile2:

You always shine your beautiful torch, even in the most darkest of places, because you know full well that even in the light...... there is dark too! :wiz:

I have to say, I like the "writer", or at least so far, but there is always going to be "all will be revealed soon" pitch....until the donate button suddenly appears.

If there should be free energy, then there should be free information.

Of course the "writer" says he wants no money or even an audience out of it, which is extremely admirable imho, but it also a brilliant psychological sales pitch, one I too must learn! ha ha!

However, what if, after an eventual several hundred thousand ardent followers, sitting on the edge of their computer swivel chairs found out he was about to reveal the biggest smoking gun of all time.........????

However, due to horrendous unforeseen costs, fear of safety and a webmaster to pay, one will simply had to "donate" to enable this information to come forward. Really??

I suppose one has got to make a living which is cool as long as its an honest one.....

You know what?

There are some absolutely amazing writers here on Tot, with the most wonderful amazing creative and spiritual minds, and you are one of those people Breeze.

All of us here are capable of becoming another Ruiner, another Corey, another David Wilcock, Ben Fulford and the list goes on and on.

We could just make it up as we go along, after all we have an army of "super consciousness" here and it could be like a Never Ending Story...but...........could we do it free?

Depends if you want to tell the whole world or not, I guess.

I couldn't do it that's for sure.

I put my family first, and the risks involved would for me, suit a whistle blower with no family or friends and would have nothing to lose.....

I mean what is there to gain?

My energy has been so sucked dry by recent disclosures, I have just simply stopped reading them.

Time, healing and perspective can be remarkably revealing to ones perspective.

Todays stories seem to be lacking the proven daily miracles of real life that we all see, feel and breathe daily.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for expanded consciousness, but having it stretched and moulded into a herd consciousness is a no no for me.

So peeps, this writer, an old school tot truther, is still on the fence to everything I see and read no matter how mind blowing it sounds.

Beware though folks, public forums like this and others, are a wonderful "source of info" for any would be writer.

Be safe, be happy and just BE!

Russ

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I couldn't agree more with your post.

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Originally posted by Highland1

Hi Breeze, as always I feel you when I read your words :smile2:

You always shine your beautiful torch, even in the most darkest of places, because you know full well that even in the light...... there is dark too! :wiz:

I have to say, I like the "writer", or at least so far, but there is always going to be "all will be revealed soon" pitch....until the donate button suddenly appears.

If there should be free energy, then there should be free information.

Of course the "writer" says he wants no money or even an audience out of it, which is extremely admirable imho, but it also a brilliant psychological sales pitch, one I too must learn! ha ha!

However, what if, after an eventual several hundred thousand ardent followers, sitting on the edge of their computer swivel chairs found out he was about to reveal the biggest smoking gun of all time.........????

However, due to horrendous unforeseen costs, fear of safety and a webmaster to pay, one will simply had to "donate" to enable this information to come forward. Really??

I suppose one has got to make a living which is cool as long as its an honest one.....

You know what?

There are some absolutely amazing writers here on Tot, with the most wonderful amazing creative and spiritual minds, and you are one of those people Breeze.

All of us here are capable of becoming another Ruiner, another Corey, another David Wilcock, Ben Fulford and the list goes on and on.

We could just make it up as we go along, after all we have an army of "super consciousness" here and it could be like a Never Ending Story...but...........could we do it free?

Depends if you want to tell the whole world or not, I guess.

I couldn't do it that's for sure.

I put my family first, and the risks involved would for me, suit a whistle blower with no family or friends and would have nothing to lose.....

I mean what is there to gain?

My energy has been so sucked dry by recent disclosures, I have just simply stopped reading them.

Time, healing and perspective can be remarkably revealing to ones perspective.

Todays stories seem to be lacking the proven daily miracles of real life that we all see, feel and breathe daily.

Don't get me wrong, I am all for expanded consciousness, but having it stretched and moulded into a herd consciousness is a no no for me.

So peeps, this writer, an old school tot truther, is still on the fence to everything I see and read no matter how mind blowing it sounds.

Beware though folks, public forums like this and others, are a wonderful "source of info" for any would be writer.

Be safe, be happy and just BE!

Russ

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The author or "Writer" of that blog has told me directly in a personal conversation that he is already "Back on the payroll" and "Back In" the "Group" in Skype (I have the Skype Messenger Plus Log Files, as for all of this I CAN "Put up or shut up" about this persons agenda/info if asked to here.). So I doubt a "Donate" button will appear on his site. He wasn't happy about going back into the "Family" and doing their "Work" but stated "At least I am able to pay my bills now".

As for myself being mentioned in the above sense of being in it for the money after building up and army of followers in some sort off deceptive con, this couldn't be further from the truth.

There have been people that have made sure that I have lost my ability to secure contracts by sending them emails to have me removed from "Vendor Lists" the moment I was no longer useful to them and their forum or agenda. Furthermore I had never intended on coming out publicly at all until I was manipulated by this same person.

To say that I have gained anything financially or otherwise is a joke.

I have only lost things since my first interview was released by this person on another forum.

I have a wife and two children that they made sure out of spite I couldn't support via my business where I made (Past Tense) in the "High 6 Figure$ Per Year" (I cannot secure contracts through my company any longer after they contacted the exact people on the Gov. Vendor List that I had given them in their "vetting process", no one else had this specific info.).

This has ruined my career and professional reputation among my peers in the IT Cloud Engineering and Security Field. There has been no 15 minutes of fame but hours off infamous slander and stalking by some very unstable people (Not just your normal unpleasant trolling). When the interviews finally do come out with DW and myself they will only make things worse... (There IS a larger Agenda but it is not personal gain, skeptics cannot wrap their minds around those reasons of coming forward publicly just as they cannot wrap their minds around these other concepts. The skeptics were the ones that couldn't stand a pseudonym being used to begin with.)

I have not asked for or accepted money for any of my testimony or recent disclosures that have been some of the deepest info anyone has yet to provide to the public thus far...

As for people who have a problem with people like DW who find a way to put a roof over their heads and protein in their bodies to metabolize as they put all of their life and energy into the study and spreading of the information that they research... Get over it. There is no reason they should starve and live out of their car to fulfill your ideology or principals of providing every bit of data they come up with for free. I have seen how DW has to live... People make almost no money off of books, he makes a whole $100 per episode off of "Ancient Aliens" and more than half of any money he makes on his speaking engagements goes into travel, lodging and taxes. Then they have to live in solitude for security reasons because so many fans in this field have serious psychological issues and begin to stalk and harass them to the point of staking out their homes and hiding behind tree's where they walk their dogs.

I am glad I put the donate button on my site as it has kept me from losing faith in mankind all together. The recent outflow of love and support from people providing small donations when I had the IT issues saved the day and was very inspiring...

All these displays do is show how unhappy people are with their own lives and they mirror their negative outlook on their selves and humanity onto a few targeted people. He warned me that "Haters gotta hate" and no matter what you do there is always going to be that unhappy group of people that are rooted in that state and will never budge.

Unlike this other person I am not on a payroll and am releasing this information not out of greed or what is in it for me. I have not gained anything at all. Even if I decided to write a book someday it is not like I would be able to live off of the proceeds. DW has two NYT's Best Sellers and makes hardly anything off his books.

There are a lot of misconceptions out there by people speculating on things they have no direct experience or knowledge of.

You stop to think what your real agenda is when writing a post like this. A couple of other members here have more than hinted that they agree showing their ignorance about this issue and also about who/what is financially behind certain information that is coming out right now. "Hook line and sinker".

This type of post and energy is why this has been one of the most heavily moderated threads I have seen since I have joined TOT. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I guess that includes "Snipes" on various posts in the name of "free speech" (I would never post on this thread at all if I wan't always brought up as a topic). I am entitled to be able to respond with my opinion and a what i consider as a correction to a backward way of thinking and disinformation. :fpalm:

IMHO
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Originally posted by GoodETxSG

The author or "Writer" of that blog has told me directly in a personal conversation that he is already "Back on the payroll" and "Back In" the "Group" in Skype (I have the Skype Messenger Plus Log Files, as for all of this I CAN "Put up or shut up" about this persons agenda/info if asked to here.). So I doubt a "Donate" button will appear on his site. He wasn't happy about going back into the "Family" and doing their "Work" but stated "At least I am able to pay my bills now".

As for myself being mentioned in the above sense of being in it for the money after building up and army of followers in some sort off deceptive con, this couldn't be further from the truth.

There have been people that have made sure that I have lost my ability to secure contracts by sending them emails to have me removed from "Vendor Lists" the moment I was no longer useful to them and their forum or agenda. Furthermore I had never intended on coming out publicly at all until I was manipulated by this same person.

To say that I have gained anything financially or otherwise is a joke.

I have only lost things since my first interview was released by this person on another forum.

I have a wife and two children that they made sure out of spite I couldn't support via my business where I made (Past Tense) in the "High 6 Figure$ Per Year" (I cannot secure contracts through my company any longer after they contacted the exact people on the Gov. Vendor List that I had given them in their "vetting process", no one else had this specific info.).

This has ruined my career and professional reputation among my peers in the IT Cloud Engineering and Security Field. There has been no 15 minutes of fame but hours off infamous slander and stalking by some very unstable people (Not just your normal unpleasant trolling). When the interviews finally do come out with DW and myself they will only make things worse... (There IS a larger Agenda but it is not personal gain, skeptics cannot wrap their minds around those reasons of coming forward publicly just as they cannot wrap their minds around these other concepts. The skeptics were the ones that couldn't stand a pseudonym being used to begin with.)

I have not asked for or accepted money for any of my testimony or recent disclosures that have been some of the deepest info anyone has yet to provide to the public thus far...

As for people who have a problem with people like DW who find a way to put a roof over their heads and protein in their bodies to metabolize as they put all of their life and energy into the study and spreading of the information that they research... Get over it. There is no reason they should starve and live out of their car to fulfill your ideology or principals of providing every bit of data they come up with for free. I have seen how DW has to live... People make almost no money off of books, he makes a whole $100 per episode off of "Ancient Aliens" and more than half of any money he makes on his speaking engagements goes into travel, lodging and taxes. Then they have to live in solitude for security reasons because so many fans in this field have serious psychological issues and begin to stalk and harass them to the point of staking out their homes and hiding behind tree's where they walk their dogs.

I am glad I put the donate button on my site as it has kept me from losing faith in mankind all together. The recent outflow of love and support from people providing small donations when I had the IT issues saved the day and was very inspiring...

All these displays do is show how unhappy people are with their own lives and they mirror their negative outlook on their selves and humanity onto a few targeted people. He warned me that "Haters gotta hate" and no matter what you do there is always going to be that unhappy group of people that are rooted in that state and will never budge.

Unlike this other person I am not on a payroll and am releasing this information not out of greed or what is in it for me. I have not gained anything at all. Even if I decided to write a book someday it is not like I would be able to live off of the proceeds. DW has two NYT's Best Sellers and makes hardly anything off his books.

There are a lot of misconceptions out there by people speculating on things they have no direct experience or knowledge of.

You stop to think what your real agenda is when writing a post like this. A couple of other members here has hinted that they agree showing their ignorance about this issue and also about who/what is financially behind some of certain information that is coming out right now. "Hook line and sinker".

This type of post and energy is why this has been one of the most heavily moderated threads I have seen since I have joined TOT. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I guess that includes "Snipes" on various posts in the name of "free speech" (I would never post on this thread at all if I wan't always brought up as a topic). I am entitled to be able to respond with my opinion and a what i consider as a correction to a backward way of thinking and disinformation. :fpalm:

IMHO
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I know there's no money in publishing these book unless you're who is it that actually makes money from these type books? Nick Pope or Nick Redfern, my husband just did and put thousands into it and made all of 5 dollars since Feb. Granted he was not the author and had issues over the title and cover but he edited it. He edits UFO and contactee books. Ok, subject aside................here's what I really would like to ask since you have mentioned this several times.

The Ruiner himself (I assume it is a man). I am aware you have his info, he was a former PA mod and is now *posing* as an *insider* (I say that just because I have no proof). I would like to know if this person is just someone who is copying Hidden Hand , that other insider dude whom I forget name of but his info made the rounds too a number of years ago or if he is actually who he says he is?

Can you expand on this?

ALSO IMO- you should not have to justify a paypal button or whatever- some people (Kerry C) do live on donations so they can research full time.

Edited to add- what hit home with Russ's post for me was/is constant stringing along by insiders only to b e told- the big info is coming down the pike..............how many times have many of us read this before? Like Russ, I stopped paying attention because nothing ever panned out. I've turned into a giant skeptic along the way. Years ago I was sucked into Edgar Fouche's secret space/ black ops info- just naming one of the many out there who turned out to be a hoax.

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Originally posted by ERK

I know there's no money in publishing these book unless you're who is it that actually makes money from these type books? Nick Pope or Nick Redfern, my husband just did and put thousands into it and made all of 5 dollars since Feb. Granted he was not the author and had issues over the title and cover but he edited it. He edits UFO and contactee books. Ok, subject aside................here's what I really would like to ask since you have mentioned this several times.

The Ruiner himself (I assume it is a man). I am aware you have his info, he was a former PA mod and is now *posing* as an *insider* (I say that just because I have no proof). I would like to know if this person is just someone who is copying Hidden Hand , that other insider dude whom I forget name of but his info made the rounds too a number of years ago or if he is actually who he says he is?

Can you expand on this?

ALSO IMO- you should not have to justify a paypal button or whatever- some people (Kerry C) do live on donations so they can research full time.

Edited to add- what hit home with Russ's post for me was/is constant stringing along by insiders only to b e told- the big info is coming down the pike..............how many times have many of us read this before? Like Russ, I stopped paying attention because nothing ever panned out. I've turned into a giant skeptic along the way.

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I am only stating this as a direct answer to your question which you deserve to know,

He was a proven insider that was a friend of mine before he was forced back in... and put back on the payroll. I put him in contact with DW and he provided a lot of info to DW that got him in trouble. He fully believed in and said he had seen the Blue Avians prior to being "Pulled Back In" and turning on our friendship.

He had info that could only come from a real insider. He is on a massive MISSION of disinformation right now by his "Parents" and is on the payroll.
Not IMHO/but in his own words form our last conversation...

Corey/GoodETxSG

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Originally posted by GoodETxSG

I am only stating this as a direct answer to your question which you deserve to know,

He was a proven insider that was a friend of mine before he was forced back in... and put back on the payroll. I put him in contact with DW and he provided a lot of info to DW that got him in trouble. He fully believed in and said he had seen the Blue Avians prior to being "Pulled Back In" and turning on our friendship.

He had info that could only come from a real insider. He is on a massive MISSION of disinformation right now by his "Parents" and is on the payroll.
Not IMHO/but in his own words form our last conversation...

Corey/GoodETxSG

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Ok, so just to get this straight- the information put out by the Ruiner is disinfo?

So, IMHO, Corey's response was so good, I'm reposting the whole things because I entirely agree. I used to have issues myself with Truthers asking for money, but then I realized that this is the reality we live in right now. Personally, I'd rather just scrap the whole system and give every human $10 Billion ( though people who "do harm to others" would get considerably less as that would be "debts" needing to be "repaid" to humanity), BUT we as a collective need to get to that place inside ourselves FIRST.

Plus with books, the middle man takes it all. Hours and hours of time, energy, and valuable information, and it goes out to everybody else... CRAZY!!

:hug:

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Originally posted by GoodETxSG

The author or "Writer" of that blog has told me directly in a personal conversation that he is already "Back on the payroll" and "Back In" the "Group" in Skype (I have the Skype Messenger Plus Log Files, as for all of this I CAN "Put up or shut up" about this persons agenda/info if asked to here.). So I doubt a "Donate" button will appear on his site. He wasn't happy about going back into the "Family" and doing their "Work" but stated "At least I am able to pay my bills now".

As for myself being mentioned in the above sense of being in it for the money after building up and army of followers in some sort off deceptive con, this couldn't be further from the truth.

There have been people that have made sure that I have lost my ability to secure contracts by sending them emails to have me removed from "Vendor Lists" the moment I was no longer useful to them and their forum or agenda. Furthermore I had never intended on coming out publicly at all until I was manipulated by this same person.

To say that I have gained anything financially or otherwise is a joke.

I have only lost things since my first interview was released by this person on another forum.

I have a wife and two children that they made sure out of spite I couldn't support via my business where I made (Past Tense) in the "High 6 Figure$ Per Year" (I cannot secure contracts through my company any longer after they contacted the exact people on the Gov. Vendor List that I had given them in their "vetting process", no one else had this specific info.).

This has ruined my career and professional reputation among my peers in the IT Cloud Engineering and Security Field. There has been no 15 minutes of fame but hours off infamous slander and stalking by some very unstable people (Not just your normal unpleasant trolling). When the interviews finally do come out with DW and myself they will only make things worse... (There IS a larger Agenda but it is not personal gain, skeptics cannot wrap their minds around those reasons of coming forward publicly just as they cannot wrap their minds around these other concepts. The skeptics were the ones that couldn't stand a pseudonym being used to begin with.)

I have not asked for or accepted money for any of my testimony or recent disclosures that have been some of the deepest info anyone has yet to provide to the public thus far...

As for people who have a problem with people like DW who find a way to put a roof over their heads and protein in their bodies to metabolize as they put all of their life and energy into the study and spreading of the information that they research... Get over it. There is no reason they should starve and live out of their car to fulfill your ideology or principals of providing every bit of data they come up with for free. I have seen how DW has to live... People make almost no money off of books, he makes a whole $100 per episode off of "Ancient Aliens" and more than half of any money he makes on his speaking engagements goes into travel, lodging and taxes. Then they have to live in solitude for security reasons because so many fans in this field have serious psychological issues and begin to stalk and harass them to the point of staking out their homes and hiding behind tree's where they walk their dogs.

I am glad I put the donate button on my site as it has kept me from losing faith in mankind all together. The recent outflow of love and support from people providing small donations when I had the IT issues saved the day and was very inspiring...

All these displays do is show how unhappy people are with their own lives and they mirror their negative outlook on their selves and humanity onto a few targeted people. He warned me that "Haters gotta hate" and no matter what you do there is always going to be that unhappy group of people that are rooted in that state and will never budge.

Unlike this other person I am not on a payroll and am releasing this information not out of greed or what is in it for me. I have not gained anything at all. Even if I decided to write a book someday it is not like I would be able to live off of the proceeds. DW has two NYT's Best Sellers and makes hardly anything off his books.

There are a lot of misconceptions out there by people speculating on things they have no direct experience or knowledge of.

You stop to think what your real agenda is when writing a post like this. A couple of other members here have more than hinted that they agree showing their ignorance about this issue and also about who/what is financially behind certain information that is coming out right now. "Hook line and sinker".

This type of post and energy is why this has been one of the most heavily moderated threads I have seen since I have joined TOT. Everyone is entitled to their opinions and I guess that includes "Snipes" on various posts in the name of "free speech" (I would never post on this thread at all if I wan't always brought up as a topic). I am entitled to be able to respond with my opinion and a what i consider as a correction to a backward way of thinking and disinformation. :fpalm:

IMHO
G

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Originally posted by ERK

Ok, so just to get this straight- the information put out by the Ruiner is disinfo?

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"Paid Disinfo" from their very own words to me before they broke off contact... They were pulled back into their "Family" and put on the payroll full time. They are a highly trained psy ops agent per their own admissions. It will all ferret itself out in the end as usual... Only after disillusioning more people though as intended.

It saddened both DW and I as we both liked this person VERY MUCH! I had developed quite a friendship with them over time sharing similar life stories from being inside the programs and info only people on the inside could understand and talk about. I know now that much of that was social engineering, but the feelings of trust and friendship were real.

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